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==Compulsive [[WP:BITE]]er and [[WP:COI]] accuser== |
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Hi TParis, Jytdog has lost the plot re Frivilous COI accusations on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Collegetrader and I can't stop him, as has made threats on my talk if I take it to ANI. Can you try to control his COI accusation compulsion? The loss of editors on WP is due to actions of eds like him who breach [[WP:BITE]]. [[User:Gongwool|Gongwool]] ([[User talk:Gongwool|talk]]) 01:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC) |
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Hello, thank you for the advice. I will step back. I think its just a dispute of content and yes it is a edit war. Sigh, controversial content will not satisfy anyone. Winterysteppe (talk) 03:24, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Welcome back!
9 users loves this.
Good to see your (very respectful) face again. You've been missed. MelanieN alt (talk) 12:13, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
Yes, welcome back ! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:19, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- What's a nice guy like you doing in a place like this? Great to see you back TP!--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 15:42, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- +1 --GRuban (talk) 16:58, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Nice seeing you around these parts again TP! Cheers, — dainomite 19:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Good to see your name on the WL again! Hope all is well with you and yours. Irondome (talk) 19:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Happy to see your sig at AN. Welcome back! Liz Read! Talk! 23:23, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yay! :D --AmaryllisGardener talk 01:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hey, thanks guys. Glad to be back. Not going to be full time or anything, but I'm feeling much more refreshed.--v/r - TP 01:59, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Congratulations on the promotion by the way. Mass promotions are good for morale ;) Irondome (talk) 02:04, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yay, extendedautoconfirmed!--v/r - TP 02:13, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Nice to see you got your mop back! — dainomite 14:19, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Yay, extendedautoconfirmed!--v/r - TP 02:13, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Nice to see you back. - theWOLFchild 01:46, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- I love seeing your name in blue highlighting again.—cyberpowerChat:Limited Access 03:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Re: your comment at ANI yesterday
I got a kick out of this [1]. Not all that far from the truth. Cheers, 2601:188:0:ABE6:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:30, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- Haha, have a good one.--v/r - TP 21:39, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
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this is one of the strangest things anyone has written to me in WP. I have no illusions of becoming an admin. And this stuff about me OUTING anyone is just miles offbase. What is up your bonnet with regard to me, TP? Jytdog (talk) 02:43, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- I feel that you really were rude to that new and you won't acknowledge it. So I'm giving it back at you for a few days. Besides, I think gamilel was wrong on this issue and I don't see how their actions are defensible. So instead of defending him, you've tried to redirect attention at arkon. That strikes a chord with me. --v/r - TP 02:54, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Hm. thanks for the explanation; i appreciate it. i see how you could get there on rudeness to the new editor, which is different from claims that i asked him to self-OUT, which i don't do; on the gamaliel thing, what even called my attention to the thread was the edit warring and "fuck you" to an admin - how often do people EW a close at ANI and curse out the closing admin? crazy over the top and i don't care how right or wrong arkon was (and i don't know how right or wrong he was - as soon as i saw that it was something about a joke page in the Signpost and its extension past April fools day - nothing to do with building an encyclopedia - i stopped thinking about it. maybe i am missing something really important. ). that's all. again, i appreciate your response. Jytdog (talk) 03:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- It's not outing, it's a violation of the outing policy. The outing policy calls it harassment. Asking for people to identify themselves has a chilling effect on conversation and can be used abusively to silence critics or opponents in a dispute. I get that you used a template, I'm not blind, but the implication there is 'I think you're involved, prove me wrong' whether intended or not. Besides that, yeah, to a newbie editor, it is rude.
Regarding the Gamaliel thing, his participation in that thread is as an editor. And in that context, he was edit warring with another editor to close a thread about himself. That's inappropriate. Admin's don't have some special privilege or prestige against being told to fuck off. As a human being, yeah, it sucks getting that language thrown at us. But there is no reason at all to treat admins as some sort of royalty where getting a "fuck you" should inspire some sort of nationalist response. I like Gamaliel, I've found them to be responsive and level headed when confronted when reasoned and calm criticism. I've also seen Gamaliel double down in the face of onslaught and I've seen the goon-squad some to his rescue. My frustration isn't Gamaliel defending themself, although I do think they're wrong and should come to that conclusion on their own eventually, my frustration is the goon-squad trying to divert attention to the accuser (Arkon) and you happened to jump into that fray.--v/r - TP 04:27, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- It's not outing, it's a violation of the outing policy. The outing policy calls it harassment. Asking for people to identify themselves has a chilling effect on conversation and can be used abusively to silence critics or opponents in a dispute. I get that you used a template, I'm not blind, but the implication there is 'I think you're involved, prove me wrong' whether intended or not. Besides that, yeah, to a newbie editor, it is rude.
- Hm. thanks for the explanation; i appreciate it. i see how you could get there on rudeness to the new editor, which is different from claims that i asked him to self-OUT, which i don't do; on the gamaliel thing, what even called my attention to the thread was the edit warring and "fuck you" to an admin - how often do people EW a close at ANI and curse out the closing admin? crazy over the top and i don't care how right or wrong arkon was (and i don't know how right or wrong he was - as soon as i saw that it was something about a joke page in the Signpost and its extension past April fools day - nothing to do with building an encyclopedia - i stopped thinking about it. maybe i am missing something really important. ). that's all. again, i appreciate your response. Jytdog (talk) 03:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for these replies. I hear you on the Gamaliel thing. I am going to set that aside as it was a one-off and would like to focus on the COI stuff, as that is enduring. The "chilling" thing is interesting, and I want to think about that and come back to you on that. While I do, if you are open to it, I would like to explain my approach and how I arrived at it, so we can discuss that with context. Would you be open to hearing that? Jytdog (talk) 01:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- sure, that's fine--v/r - TP 01:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks for these replies. I hear you on the Gamaliel thing. I am going to set that aside as it was a one-off and would like to focus on the COI stuff, as that is enduring. The "chilling" thing is interesting, and I want to think about that and come back to you on that. While I do, if you are open to it, I would like to explain my approach and how I arrived at it, so we can discuss that with context. Would you be open to hearing that? Jytdog (talk) 01:24, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
A most impressive return
Welcome back to the asylum in the middle of silly season. You'll note the top inmates have changed a bit but they still are in charge. --DHeyward (talk) 03:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- I hope to stay out of silly season this year. I only stepped into the DT issue because it's a WP:BLP and I wanted to make sure there was a strong consensus against that sort of smear-campaigning on Wikipedia. In all honesty, I'd be the first to share that sort of thing if it came across my FB account about Trump. The guy scares the crap out of me.--v/r - TP 04:29, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Me too. Trump is a populist which makes him as scary as Bernie, --DHeyward (talk) 05:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Eh, as a minimalist libertarian, I kind of get the appear of Bernie on some topics.--v/r - TP 05:09, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Me too. Trump is a populist which makes him as scary as Bernie, --DHeyward (talk) 05:04, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hi TParis, Jytdog has lost the plot re Frivilous COI accusations on https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Collegetrader and I can't stop him, as has made threats on my talk if I take it to ANI. Can you try to control his COI accusation compulsion? The loss of editors on WP is due to actions of eds like him who breach WP:BITE. Gongwool (talk) 01:42, 9 April 2016 (UTC)