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Hello

Hello everyone I have developed a template to ensure accuracy of the Scandal and it will be updated hopefully as the story moves forward. Personisgaming (talk) 00:57, 21 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Subject's name is misspelled in title, needs correction

The subjects name is not spelled correctly. Her last name is Giuffre not Guiffre. Apparently there is a redirect from the subjects correct name to the incorrectly spelled title page where the biography is being written/edited. Can someone correct this please? While the rest of the article needs work, this error is urgent. Thanks and Kind Regards, Cedar777 (talk) 15:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This matter has already been resolved. THANK YOU! Cedar777 (talk) 08:25, 26 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Biography page for Giuffre, sources

There is no page, yet, for the Epstein scandal itself. There is a need for it. As for Giuffre's biography page, recent changes have been done with the aim of A) reducing the previous over-reliance on a single self-published youtube video from LegalEagle (much of the coverage can be sourced elsewhere from investigative reporting) and B) reintegrating the timeline of the scandal into Giuffre's biography. It is important to understand the context for Giuffre's reported actions but it comes across as a WP:COATRACK when separated out completely. Kind Regards, Cedar777 (talk) 17:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

section

Why is this section Virginia_Roberts_Giuffre#Crime_Victims_Rights_Act_lawsuit_(2008–2019) on the article? Does it relate to this WP:BLP subject? Or did it get copied from some other article? If not clear connection I will blank it and put it here per WP:PRESERVE. The way the section is written now it doesnt appear to have any connection. Thanks! Jtbobwaysf (talk) 15:08, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It was included in error due to copying a line from another page. Thanks and Kind Regards, Cedar777 (talk) 01:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Prince Andrew's Abuse

Ordinarily the exact date a crime took place might not be particularly relevant but due to the proximity to her 18th birthday that this crime took place it seems it would be appropriate to include it rather than a vague "2001." Did We know she was born 9 August 1983 so we could determine her exact age (also relevant) at the time by knowing the exact date. While it would be illegal to engage in sex with a minor regardless of exact age, punishment often depends on proximity of the victim's age to 18. For example, if she was two days away from turning 18 when she was raped then the punishment would likely be somewhat reduced as compared to if she had just turned 17 a few days prior. I would also like to point out that the age of consent in the UK at the time and still is 16 so how that fact plays into this is also relevant and should be discussed.

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 == Biography page for Giuffre, sources ==
-There is no page, yet, for the Epstein scandal itself.  There is a need for it.  As for Giuffre's biography page, recent changes have been done with the aim of A) reducing the previous over-reliance on a single self-published youtube video from LegalEagle (much of the coverage can be sourced elsewhere from investigative reporting) and B) reintegrating the timeline of the scandal into Giuffre's biography.  It is important to understand the context for Giuffre's reported actions but it comes across as a WP:COATRACK when separated out completely.  Kind Regards, [[User:Cedar777|Cedar777]] ([[User talk:Cedar777|talk]]) 17:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
+There is no page, yet, for the Epstein scandal itself.  There is a need for it.  As for Giuffre's biography page,
+recent changes have been done with the aim of A) reducing the previous over-reliance on a single self-published youtube video from LegalEagle (much of the coverage can be sourced elsewhere from investigative reporting) and B) reintegrating the timeline of the scandal into Giuffre's biography.  It is important to understand the context for Giuffre's reported actions but it comes across as a WP:COATRACK when separated out completely.  Kind Regards, [[User:Cedar777|Cedar777]] ([[User talk:Cedar777|talk]]) 17:44, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
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 *It was included in error due to copying a line from another page.  Thanks and Kind Regards, [[User:Cedar777|Cedar777]] ([[User talk:Cedar777|talk]]) 01:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
+== Date of Prince Andrew's Abuse ==
+Ordinarily the exact date a crime took place might not be particularly relevant but due to the proximity to her 18th birthday that this crime took place it seems it would be appropriate to include it rather than a vague "2001."   Did We know she was born 9 August 1983 so we could determine her exact age (also relevant) at the time by knowing the exact date.  While it would be illegal to engage in sex with a minor regardless of exact age, punishment often depends on proximity of the victim's age to 18.  For example, if she was two days away from turning 18 when she was raped then the punishment would likely be somewhat reduced as compared to if she had just turned 17 a few days prior.  I would also like to point out that the age of consent in the UK at the time and still is 16 so how that fact plays into this is also relevant and should be discussed.