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Getting song artwork on wiki

hey! I need help getting the artwork to a song on Wikipedia! FarisLloyd (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: Could you tell us and link to which artwork and which song, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

• yes its Lost by Cher Lloyd! I have a hq one on my pc — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs)

  Courtesy ping @Nick Moyes:. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: Song lyrics are copyright and must not be added to articles. We take very copyright seriously, and it's important that you do not not attempt to include them, nor link to 3rd party sites which themselves breach the artist's copyright. It would, however, be OK to include an external link to the artist's own website where lyrics are published. {We recently answered a very similar question here - see this) Don't forget that we are all expecting to see your userpage contain a WP:COI oder WP:PAID declaration before you do any further editing on articles abut Cher Lloyd. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I thought the question was about uploading an image associated with the song in question, like an album cover? I am thinking WP:FAIRUSE may apply, but not even remotely close to sure. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Quite right! I'm not sure how I managed to misinterpret the question so effectively! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, let's call it due under the law of averages, LOL! @Marchjuly and Fastily:, Would the associated artwork for "Lost" by Cher Lloyd be acceptable, perhaps under WP:FAIRUSE if there is an article needing one? I read the guideline which under accepted usage says cover art is acceptable when accompanying critical commentary but I know we use movie posters in infoboxes under fair use which seems to be an exception. There's also the fact that the guideline, under unacceptable uses, specifically names album covers (as part of discography). The OP is working on Lost (Cher Lloyd song) and Cher Lloyd discography, by the way. FarisLloyd, if you do not receive the help you need before this post gets archived, please try asking at WP:MCQ, a venue specifically intended for questions about media-related copyright issues. Best regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Never mind! I seem to have missed a big chunk of the happenings since this was posted. Please feel free to disregard my previous comment. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

It would most likely be fine in a stand-alone article about the song, but not in a discography or on the artist’s page per WP:NFC#cite_note-3. It should, however, be the cover art for the single, not the cover art of the album that the single appeared on. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

How can I edit without using disruptive editing?

How can I edit without using Wikipedia:Disruptive editing? KassMMB (talk) 03:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, with special attention to the three core content policies, which are Verifiability, the Neutral point of view, and No original research. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Pinging KassMMB, since I forgot to do so in my previous edit Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

KassMMB The issue appears to be that you are adding to football (soccer) players' articles in good faith and 4TheWynne is reverting you and warning you to stop. I recommend you ask at that editor's Talk page (User talk:4TheWynne) how to properly add awards and honours. David notMD (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, first of all, soccer? Seriously? That's like... the worst insult... how could you... <heart attack>

I kid, I kid – an easy mistake to make first time around, but Australian rules football is a completely different sport to (what most countries call) soccer, and most Aussie rules fans get stuck into soccer for not being anywhere near as "tough" a sport, players "flopping", etc. Anyway, more to the point – to clarify, the honours listed in the infoboxes of AFL players don't encompass all accolades, pretty much just the AFL/major club-awarded ones (which I explained in one of my edit summaries), but KassMMB has continued to add awards from newspapers, etc. (among a couple of other little unnecessary things) despite my reverts/warnings, which is the main reason for concern. Also note that I wasn't the only one who reverted this person. More than happy to discuss with this person, provided they are willing to take what I'm saying onboard. Regards, 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 06:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

4TheWynne Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. My sloppy assumption was that any mention of "football" outside the USA meant soccer. Yes, I am aware that Australia (and Canada) have "football" that is not USA rules football. David notMD (talk) 06:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Help Adding a Widget with a Google map

I have created a walking map that incorporates many of the buildings in this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Art_Deco_buildings_in_Perth

I would love to add the map in its own box next to the Contents at the top

No idea how - so assistance gratefully accepted.

cheers PerthDeco (talk) 03:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: because Wikipedia is a freely licensed project, we don't integrate copyrighted content like Google Maps. It's possible there is some way to do this by embedding Open Street maps content, but I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else knows that answer... Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:24, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply - do you mean anything that uses Google Maps? The map is entirely my work with info found in the public domain and uses my own photos - can I add it to any other wiki project? PerthDeco (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: Check out the info and links at Wikipedia:WikiProject OpenStreetMap. It may be a little out of date, but might help. I'm sure I've seen a template somewhere for putting OSM into articles - just can't remember where right now, sorry. I created the maps at Mont Blanc massif by layering OSM in powerpoint and tracing key features I wanted. I then deleted the background map and converted a screenshot from jog to svg. Inelegant, but it worked. See also WP:WikiProject Maps. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: found it! Check out this page and the 'See also' links, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks Nick will check it out PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: It may be worth mentioning that if a "Coordinates" column were added to the tables in that article, containing the coordinates of the locations, a {{GeoGroup}} template could be used in the article to link to an OpenStreetMap pinpointing all the locations on a map of Perth. Also, if you've taken photos of any of the buildings for which we don't already have images, you can upload them to Commons and then insert them in the list. Deor (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Deor: good idea re extra col but since most people now use their phone to look at stuff I think it might become to cumbersome. As for missing photos - its on my todo list.PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• @PerthDeco: This is somewhat a tangent, but to address your question about licensing (to the best of my understanding), the terms of use for Google Maps are tricky. You may be the sole creator, but as soon as you start contributing to the Google Local Guides program, etc., Google does everything they can to grab the license so that they'll be able to use it however they want and no one else will. That means that we can't integrate with it properly here, thus why we work with Open Street Map instead, even though it's unfortunately inferior to Google Maps in many other ways. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Great clarification and good to know. PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Updating pictures on Artists wikipedia page!

Hey! So I really want to update the images portrayed on Cher Lloyd wiki page! The current photos are from 2012 and it is 2020 now! This must be updated!

I have some photos I'd hope you guys can add for me!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/139848974@N07/26177918621/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/96853530@N05/11202591733/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/30406915221/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/29862999694/in/photostream/ FarisLloyd (talk) 05:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Unfortunately, none of those photos are usable on Wikipedia, since none of them are freely licensed (see the "all rights reserved" tag on Flickr). If you find other photos on Flickr that do have a free license (e.g. Creative Commons license), though, you can add them to Wikimedia Commons by following the instructions there; it's easy to import from Flickr. You could also start a discussion at Talk:Cher Lloyd and see if anyone can find a better image, or browse through commons:Category:Cher Lloyd to try to find one yourself. One thing to keep in mind is that we don't always want to use the most recent photo of someone if older photos are better quality. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

So would red carpet photos be useable? I found some that have no copyright stamp — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 05:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: No, sorry. All photos are regarded as copyright of the photographer, even if there's no 'copyright' notice shown. What we actually require is positive evidence of the presence of an appropriate Creative Commons commercial licence, NOT the absence of any copyright notice. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Is your choice of a username just a coincidence or are you somehow connected to Lloyd in a personal or professional way? — Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I am one of Cher's leading street teams (fan groups) to promote her and her music. I have direct connections to her manager and get exclusive info on new releases etc. That is why I felt the need to update her wiki page photo because her team wanted me to look into it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 06:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying things FarisLloyd. Based upon what you've posted, you do have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and might even be subject to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. I will post a more detailed reply on your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: I'll second the advice from Marchjuly on your user page that, since you have connections to Cher's team, one of the most helpful things you can do for the page is to encourage them to release a high-quality freely licensed photo of her by uploading it to Wikipedia Commons. They will need to follow the guidance at commons:Commons:Guidance for paid editors, and it will be up to the community here to decide which photo is actually used, but if they provide a newer photo of comparable or better quality than the current one, I don't see why we wouldn't want to switch. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Completely understandable! Unfortunately I was told I am not allowed to talk to them in terms of Wikipedia because its conflict of interest so Is there any other way we can obtain a newer image? FarisLloyd (talk) 20:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​ You can continue to have a friendly relationship with Lloyd and her team if you want; you don’t have to stop being anyone’s friend. You just need to follow relevant policies and guidelines if you’re going to be making Wikipedia edits on behalf of Lloyd or her team. Moreover, you need to be very careful to comply with WP:PAID if you’re being compensated in any way for your editing; even it’s just something like free concert tickets, free music or other things that aren’t direct cash payments so to speak but are a result of your edits. As long as you do those things and your edits or edit proposals are otherwise in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, you should be fine. You also need to understand that being (as you described yourself above) one of Cher's leading street teams (fan groups) to promote her and her music. I have direct connections to her manager and get exclusive info on new releases etc. doesn’t give you (or Lloyd’s team through you) any special type of editorial control over what’s written about Lloyd on Wikipedia.

As for the infobox image, either you or someone else is going to need to find a freely-licensed replacement that’s a more recent photo of Lloyd for Wikipedia and Commons to accept it. If you or someone else can find such an image that’s better for Wikipedia’s purposes, then most likely no other editors are going to object. However, if someone does object, then any disagreement is going to need to be resolved per WP:DR. In other words, Lloyd’s team can help out by providing a freely-licensed image to use instead, but there might still need to be a WP:CONSENSUS established to do so. — Marchjuly (talk) 22:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Language question - multiple colors on a flag

Is "quarcolor" (= similar to bicolor, tricolor) a correct word for a flag with four different colors? Koreanovsky (talk) 12:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Koreanovsky: The equivalent word is quadricolor for four colors. I don't know how often it's used for flags specifically, though i see some hits in google so the answer is certainly more than never. Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Tank you for your reply! :) --Koreanovsky (talk) 10:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

ZIMM = Zimm = ZIMM

I wanted to change the page title ZIMM (a disambiguation page) to "Zimm" because 4 of the 5 Zimm's mentioned are names and the fifth one seems to have no ZIMM article but has something in German that has no "ZIMM" that I could detect. However when I went to move "ZIMM" to "Zimm" it I learned that "ZIMM" was a redirect from an earlier "Zimm" I guess I could just wipe that page (the redirect) out, but decided to ask first. So, I'm asking, "What do I do?" Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC) Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Just edit the page. In between the equal signs is the title of the page. Edit that and Save! Hope it helps! UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Go to WP:Requested moves and make a request in the "technical moves" section. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving over the redirect wasn't a bad idea, and was arguably more fitting than a round-robin. Op ended up finding an even messier way of doing it. I've followed up on their talk page. I'll put an attribution template on the dab talk page to try and remedy that issue. Regards, Zindor (talk) 13:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I copied the attribution template you made to the source page, to alert administrators and RfD participants should anyone nominate it for deletion or tag it for speedy deletion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How to get participant in an RfC?

An RfC at Indian subcontinent looked initially like WP:SNOW, but then participation dried up, from both ends of the dispute. I have tried posting all relevant Wikiprojects (9 of them), but no result. I have also requested all the admins who took a look at the RfC to comment, no result again. How can I get more particpants in the discussion? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 02:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​ That is a relatively lively RfC, and it's only 4 days old. I'd say your RfC is doing fine. (To others: Note a parallell discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#How to get participant in an RfC?) - Thjarkur (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Should I also add a parallel discussion note at the pump? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Aditya Kabir, no, it's not necessary in this case. But in general, you should ask one question at only one venue and only if you do not receive an answer after a reasonable time is it advisable that you ask elsewhere. When you do that, you should leave a note at the first forum that you're done waiting and have moved on to the first, and at the second forum that you came there after first trying at the first one. When you want to invite people to join a discussion, you should keep the discussion at one place, and notify all other places with a neutral message and a link to the discussion where you want input. Wikipedia:Consensus#Pitfalls and errors may be of interest, or even the whole page. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia

From my questiom at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kaldari#Hello&question

Hello. I have a one question. Are wikimedia com. And the wikipedia encyclopedia the same or are they different. I noticed some photos there with no logo of your website which is wikimedia commons. Why theres no such logo that also links them here? If same then no question. If different then is the encylopedias governing freedom of pano principle the same or not? This question is with respect to my concerns at copyrighted philippine bldgs and sculpttures being shown in commons. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mrcl lxmna. The Wikimedia Foundation is the parent organization for Wikipedia in many languages and other free knowledge websites. Their website is Wikimedia.org, and they raise the money, pay for the servers, employ the programmers and outreach and legal staff. Wikimedia Commons is the project that hosts the freely licensed media files, such as photos and videos. Any concerns about freedom of panorama should be discussed there, not here on English Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 for the answer. But my question actually is that if both commons and wikipedia encyclopedia enforcements of freedom of panorama rules are the same or different. Sorry for my unchanged wording, i just copied my question from your fellow moderator kaldari at wikimedia commons The wording shouldve been - some photos shown here do not have wikimedia commons logo, while others do have that logo that links them there. Why those photos do not have that logo and link to wikimedia commomd? And is the freedom of pano enforcements of both wikipedia and wikimedia commons the same? Mrcl lxmna (talk) 03:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, I am neither an administrator nor a moderator at Wikimedia Commons. Freedom of panorama is a matter of copyright law that varies significantly from country to country. All Wikimedia/Wikipedia projects are stringent about following the copyright laws of the country where the image/video was recorded. As for the lack of a link to Wikimedia Commons on some images, there are a few possible explanations. Some images are acceptable non-free images such as book covers, album covers, movie posters and the like. Such non-free images are uploaded here to English Wikipedia and not to Commons. Also, some editors disagree with certain policies on Commons, and upload freely licensed work here instead of there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

So Cullen you mean it is OK to host photos of copyrighted bldgs and sculptures here on wikipedia? As long as it is not on wikimedia commons. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 04:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, no, I most certainly said nothing like that, and the examples I gave relate to very different things, namely visual identification of published works. Use of non-free images on English Wikipedia is strictly limited and described in detail at Non-free content/images. As I stated earlier, application of freedom of panorama for photos depends on the laws of the country where the photo was taken. Copyright violations are not permissible here or on Commons. A low resolution photo of a copyrighted sculpture may be permissible if it illustrates sourced critical commentary about that sculpture in an encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ummm. How about the bldgs? Philippines has no freedom of pano for both bldgs and sculptures. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 04:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, as stated twice previously and now for the third time, the copyright laws of the country where the photo was taken are applicable. I have no knowledge of copyright law in the Philippines, but editors who specialize in copyright enforcement know about that, or know how to look it up. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Where can I ask about this matter? In what avenue, aside from your teahouse? Mrcl lxmna (talk) 05:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mrcl lxmna. As pointed out by Cullen328, Wikipedia and Commons are separate projects with their own policies and guidelines. Some of these policies and guidelines might be the same or quite similar, but others might be very different. If you want to ask a copyright related question about a file that you'd like to upload to Wikipedia, you can try asking at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions; if you want to ask a question a copyright related question about a file you'd like to upload to Commons, you can try asking at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Ideally, if you ask the same question at each place you should expect to get the same answer, but each project has it's own community of editors and there's not always a 100% agreement over whether a certain type of file licensing is acceptable. The best you can do is ask, see what responses you get and then try and decide what to do from there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok Marchjuly. I posted my concern at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Are_philippine_bldg_and_sculpture_0hotos_acceptable_on_wikipedia? But this concern is more of the wikipedia photos of philippine bldgs and sculptures with no wikimedia commons links and marks, if their hosting here is allowed by your administration or not which means no freedom of panorama also extends here. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Moved to WP:MCQ § Are philippine bldg and sculpture 0hotos acceptable on wikipedia?

 - -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

California mobile

When I load the California mobile view article on my Android phone, the tabs only go to Demographics, it doesn't load all of them, but when I reload it in desktop mode on my smartphone it shows everything. Why is that? I'm running the latest Chrome and Android versions both? 47.150.227.254 (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello 47..., it's working fine for me, so it's unlikely it's a problem on Wikipedia's side. Have you tried clearing the site data from your browser? Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Same symptoms here, but I don't know why. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool and David Biddulph:  Fixed Special:Diff/978266367 by OvertAnalyzer removed several tables and a {{Div col end}}. The desktop site renderer recovers better from this situation (an unclosed <div> tag), but the mobile site refuses to close the section and lumps the whole rest of the article under the Demographics section. So, I removed the (now unnecessary) {{Div col}} at Special:Diff/980640261. The mobile view now correctly breaks the rest of the content after Demographics into sections. (Thanks due to User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks AlanM1! I had misunderstood before David's comment; I'd thought the OP meant sections before the Demographics. I just figured out that the culture and the rest of the sections were all lumped together and was checking if the {{TOC limit}} was to blame, LOL! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Question on copyright for an article pdf

I found a 404'd link for a magazine article referenced in Persecution of Hindus. So I searched and found a pdf of the article, not on the website of the magazine, but just posted on the website of a Columbia University professor. Is this professor violating copyright, and would Wikipedia be violating copyright if we linked to it? I haven't been able to find any link to the article on the actual Frontline website. Assuming it can't be found, would you recommend posting the pdf, or just referencing the article without any link? Thank you. Shmarrighan (talk) 06:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Shmarrighan, I'm not qualified to answer your question as far as Wikipedia is concerned, although, given that the article in question was published by the Oxford Journal of Islamic Studies, it is almost certainly the copyright of either the journal or the author (Richard Eaton) or both, but not of the academic from Columbia who posted the PDF. But I did notice that Delhi Sultanate has a link to the same article; this in fact points to the journal's website which inludes a reference to the article, a one-page preview, and a link which subscribers may use to download the article. Maybe the link that you are asking about could point to the same place? Mike Marchmont (talk) 10:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont Thank you, I appreciate it! I'm curious, is there a Wikipedia tool or strategy that you used to find that other reference in Delhi Sultanate? Or did you just poke around and find it by serendipity? Thanks again. Shmarrighan (talk) 06:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Shmarrighan I started by trying to find the page at Columbia where Prof. Pritchett had posted the PDF. My thinking was that that page might have had some information about her source - for example, if she had permission to post the PDF or if there was sort of licence agreement between Columbia and the journal. In order to find that page, I did a Google search. My search term was the PDF's URL, preceded by link:. That didn't lead me to the Columbia site, but the search results did include the Wikipedia article I mentioned above.

I realise that this doesn't really answer your original question - about whether Wikipedia would be violating copyright if you linked to Prof. Pritchett's upload. Perhaps a more knowledgeable Wikipedian could answer that question.

Mike Marchmont (talk) 07:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

That's no problem, you've given me enough information to proceed, and some good searching tips. Thank you! Shmarrighan (talk) 06:04, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Copyright of a person

Hello! I am making a page in wikipedia about a new band. Part of the infobox requires a picture of the band. As you may know by stalking my account, I have had constant operose copyright dilemmas. So i would ask today, what are the copyright requirements? I would provide the name of the band and a picture. Thanks Ice bear johny (talk) 07:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​It's not necessary to include an image in an article, infoboxes have many fields and you can choose which ones to fill in. It's best to assume that an image is copyrighted and can't be used if you did not personally take the image or if you did not encounter it already uploaded on Commons. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice bear johny (talk • contribs) 09:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ice bear johny Please don't think of editors looking over your (virtual) shoulder as stalking. Any time an editor asks a question at Teahouse, the hosts there may take it upon themselves to look at past article edits by the questioner, to see if there is a pattern of editing that might need improvement. Think of it as training wheels. Also as a spotlight. Hosts - and any experienced editor who has articles on their watch lists - are happy whenever new editors prove to be able to improve articles. David notMD (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah that was only a flippant comment, colloquially referenced to today's facebook. Anyways thanks for letting me know that you can see (stalk but euphemised/in a trivial manner) my past edits. Way to go for me hehehe Ice bear johny (talk) 15:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ice bear johny, every single edit made by every single user is public on Wikipedia, except the ones that admins have specifically decided to hide (personal details, offensive abuse, etc.) Your history is at Special:Contributions/Ice bear johny. You can see anyone else's by changing the username in the same link. Along with your userpage and your user talk page, your contribution history is one of the most often checked when others come across you. There are further statistics pages that give metadata about your editing pattern and so on, also public. Basically, everything you do is not only public but also analysed endlessly by algorithms and summarised into multiple different kinds of reports. You might find WP:FOLLOWING of interest. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Compare user contributions in Wikipedia

Hello, I want to start a sockpuppet investigation but I'd like to know if there are tools I can use for comparing contributions of past sockpuppet accounts and a current sockpuppet account of which I am suspicious. In particular, I'd like to know if there are tools for searching contributions based on keywords instead of just a list of common Wikipedia articles, and see if there are similarities between the specific edits/contributions of the suspected account and those of the past confirmed sockpuppets. Thank you. Stricnina (talk) 07:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stricnina: I think you’re better off posting this on the Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Thanks, maybe I'll ask them later. Stricnina (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stricnina: There is an extremely useful tool for comparing multiple users' account contributions, though not by keywords. See https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I was hoping for a tool that actually searches for common keywords or something like that, just to help me compare which edits are suspiciously similar. Stricnina (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​No such thing exists yet, which I find strange given how often one has to do this manually at SPI. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Changing username

Is it possible to change my username from "Rhinestorm" to "oruc.emre.kaya"? It's from so many years ago and kind of childish. Oruç Emre KAYA 09:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Rhinestorm, hello! See WP:RENAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How To Make It Reflect On Google

Good morning sir, and how are you doing today?... I have read and understand the terms and conditions of your platform... But the question now is how can we add images to our biography and also make it live on search engines 102.89.2.172 (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Wikipedia articles are indexed, meaning any changes on Wikipedia will sooner or later also appear on Google. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Are you proposing to create a biography of yourself? If so, please don't. -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place like social media where people write about themselves; this is an encyclopedia that is only interested in what independent reliable sources say about you, not what you want to say about yourself. In addition, there are many reasons why a Wikipedia article is not desirable. 331dot (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To add to Victor's reply, if there is an existing Wikipedia article about you, in time it will be found via a search at Google (and other search engines). May take as long as three months. Adding an image is a bit complicated, as copyright is usually held by the person who took the photograph, not the person in the photograph, meaning the photographer can add the photograph. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Prostitutes

Why?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=979907351&oldid=979881663
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980594777&oldid=980594561
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economy_of_Iran&oldid=prev&diff=980594867
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yousef_Tabatabai_Nejad&diff=980451190&oldid=980427046
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fashion_in_Iran&diff=980451588&oldid=980441033

Baratiiman (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Baratiiman, if another editor reverts your edits, you should open a discussion on the article's talk page (see bold-revert-discuss) – Thjarkur (talk) 12:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(See also same complaint by user at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Recheck) – Thjarkur (talk) 12:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Baratiiman You have been adding large amounts of content and some images to the article, the great majority of which have not been reverted. And you have rightly started a discussion on the Talk page about the content related to prostitution. I agree with the editor who reverted your content and reference. An appropriate addition on the topic - even though unwelcome by some - would present information on the prevalence of prostitution in Isfahan and the legal situation. Your reference on why people are prostitutes is not relevant. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

David notMD not reverted yet, i have read versions from the page for past years and they had pics that were removed.Also about prostitutes can i just add subheading and related articles?.Baratiiman (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Baratiiman: You can use the talk pages for the various articles and post suggestions for additions and sources there. And then you need to participate in discussions and listen to other people (and not simply revert back to your preferred version if your edits should be reverted). Again, you need to follow the Bold-Revert-Discuss cycle and accept the need for consensus, even if you believe you are right. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 14:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

can you tell me whats wrong with beggar photo in poverty of economy of iran and why i should care?Bonadea Baratiiman (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

You can certainly raise that question at Talk:Economy of Iran. That is, you can certainly ask about the photo – the reason you should care is because Wikipedia is a collaborative project. --bonadea contributions talk 15:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Economy of Iran has no content about the practice of begging in public, so adding the image has not connection to the text of the article. I agree with the action of deleting the image. David notMD (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

As to prostitution, a better place to add content would be Prostitution in Iran. David notMD (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Third opinion

Please give a third and fourth and fifth opinion this edit by user https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&oldid=prev&diff=980612082 Baratiiman (talk) 13:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Baratiiman, I agree with the removal. Isfahan is a major city. I would be quite surprised to visit an article about a major city and see information about a fish unless references made clear it was iconic to people in the city for some reason. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Calliopejen1This was the page one week ago, what people are you talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980613429&oldid=976066006 Baratiiman (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm talking about the residents of Isfahan. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thats a rather odd thing to say, bearing in mind the clue is theoretically in the specific epithet (isfahanensis) and in the sources, and it is quite reasonable for an article to have a section on biodiversity (hugely overlooked in my opinion), and to mention iconic taxa like this one. That said, Baratiiman was quite wrong to have added it to the city page as it has never been found there! The content belongs instead at Isfahan Province, as that is where all three of its known world locations are situated (along the Zayanderud river), and not, as yet, in Isfahan itself. I feel the poster should have more carefully read and followed the sources (unless there are newer ones that I've missed showing it has since been located there?) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Article on illicit trade changed to a redirection

Hi, the article I created on illicit trade was converted to a redirection to the article on black market by another editor, who judged it was a duplicate topic. The discussion that followed with this editor can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#Redirecting_illicit_trade_to_black_market

The question is whether illicit trade and black markets are two distinct topics that each deserve their article, or whether the two are sufficiently synonyms for the former to be a redirection to the latter. I would like to ask the input of other Wikipedians on whether there is detailed policy to address such matter (I could find not it). Also, what would be the best way to reach consensus: is it to start a discussion on the talk page of black market?

FYI here is latest version of the article on illicit trade: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illicit_trade&oldid=974366109

Many thanks for your input, Factfox (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC) Factfox (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Factfox, what the other editor did was perform a WP:BOLD WP:MERGE. If the two of you disagree, you can revert it or ask that they revert it and start a proper merge discussion as outlined at WP:MERGE. There's no issue having that discussion with the merge in place either, but that could be confusing to some editors. So, it's best to revert articles to the stable version before your contested change took place and then have the discussion for the change. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Usedtobecool, this is very useful and exactly the input I needed. Best, Factfox (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool The other editor asked that I disclose my COI on this thread. I explained on his talk page that I do not have a COI with this topic , but I may be a connected contributor as I did some academic work on this topic. Factfox (talk) 21:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC) 

Factfox, I have not investigated the issue but if it's just about you adding references to your own academic work, please see WP:SELFCITE and abide by it. If someone challenges any of your citations to your own work, it is best to proceed as though you have a COI in trying to get that reference in, since you are unlikely to be able to be completely objective about the quality and relevance of your own work. That means you can make your case, seek broader input if needed, but should refrain from adding them back to the articles yourself once they are challenged.

I do not care to find out where you are employed and what that organisation's relationship is with "illicit trade". Since this is a general topic, I can't imagine any single organisation that you could be a member of that would make you ineligible to contribute to the whole of the article. But, if and when your organisation or its competitors become relevant within the discussion of the topic (this includes, for example, suggesting that one of the good approaches to tackling illicit trade is [insert one that your employer subscribes to]), you do have a COI and should refrain from adding such content to the article directly. I think there's a line to be toed here between the value you could bring as a subject matter expert and potential of compromise to WP:NPOV because of your close relationship with the topic.

Finally, if you reach an impasse on whether you have a COI and how much, there's WP:COIN to seek opinions, from other editors, about it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

citation with a colon followed by a number?

What does it mean when a citation has a form like this: "[4]:253"  ?? I've seen this on the page about scientific racism.Truth is King^TALK 14:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Truth Is King 24, that's the page number where you'll find the exact claim. See Help:References and page numbers#Inline page numbers. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Truth Is King 24, it's the number of the page(s) in the book/journal/whatever used as ref. Template:Rp can be used for this. When you are citing for example a book several times in the article, it is useful if the material is on different pages. If your only citing the book once, it's unnecessary since there's a page parameter in the cite template. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk · contribs), Usedtobecool (talk · contribs) Thank you both. But, Grabergs, why did you mark your answer with an edit conflict notice?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth Is King 24 (talk • contribs)

It means they had not seen my reply before they had already typed in theirs and wanted to publish. It alerts other editors to expect some confusing things. It's not always necessary (like here where it isn't really that confusing; although, it's anyway more informative to have it than not), but it's a useful habit for those who regularly edit high traffic discussions. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

That. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Declined drafts vs Rejected drafts

Hello, I’d like to ask what the difference is between a “declined AFC draft” and “rejected AFC draft” is? Maka (talk · contribs) 15:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Declined Rejected is when the page would be uncontroversially deleted if it were an article, whereas rejected declined is when the draft needs improvement; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions#See also. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure it isn't the other way round? AFAIK "declined" means "Eh, this is not yet ready for mainspace, please improve it" while rejected means "Sorry, this cant be improved to be an acceptable article, please stop wasting everyone's time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, "rejected" is the more severe and suggests there is no possibility of an article. One or more "declines" is not unusual for drafts that eventually improve to be acceptable articles. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ping Maka the Two Star Meister. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for answering while I was asleep; now corrected. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Page Creation

How do you create a biography page? Marchelle2725 (talk) 17:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchelle2725 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. You will greatly increase your chances of success if you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, so you can get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. I would also suggest that you use the new user tutorial.

Once you are ready, you will want to first review Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person(there are also more specific criteria for certain fields like musicians). If the person you want to write about meets the definition, and has significant, in depth coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, they may merit an article. You may use Articles for creation to submit a draft for review. 331dot (talk) 17:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchelle2725, I'd second the suggestions above by 331dot. You should spend time working on existing articles, gaining practical experience, while learning about notability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and verifiability. This is especially critical if you are eventually intending to write a biography of a living person. After you have gained experience you can submit an article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Hope this helps. Best wishes from Los Angeles,   // Timothy :: talk  21:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Examples of Excellent Pages

As I did my first edit (the township of Elumathur in India), I felt very inadequate at the task. I kept wishing that I had an excellent example of a page about a township. Is there a way find an excellent example of a subject?Pamich3 (talk) 19:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Featured articles. There are lists of featured articles on various topics there. Also try Wikipedia:Good articles, which are good but not quite good enough to be "Featured." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pamich3, i had a skim through WikiProject India's FAs and GA's for you. I managed to dig up a GA article on a town called Kumbakonam, which incidentally is also in Tamil Nadu. You'll likely gets some good reliable Indian sources from looking at it. You can find the latest good article version of the article at this link. Regards, Zindor (talk) 19:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Pamich3, One thing I always enjoy in articles like this are the cultural sections. Festivals and community events, museums, libraries, community newspapers and magazines, authors and artist from the area, arts and crafts, cuisine, notabled local news events. They don't have to huge or famous (they do need sourcing), and they don't have to be unique to the community. I enjoy finding out what it's like to live in a community. The writing needs to be non-promotional. Usually, these articles contain a lot of dry statistical information (weather, elections, transportation, etc), which is useful, but not really interesting. Hope this helps.   // Timothy :: talk  20:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pamich3: To expand a little on what Zindor wrote above, go to the talk page of the article to find the WikiProjects that relate to it (in the yellow boxes at the top). If you click to go to Wikipedia:WikiProject India in this case, you'll see a little way down the right side, a table of article assessments. If you click on GA, A, or B in the quality column, you'll go to the category listing the talk pages of articles at that quality level. Clicking on the numbers instead will narrow it down further by importance. I'd say mid-importance, B-class articles might be a reasonable starting point for a decent example without being too long or overly-complicated. The higher importance and quality levels will generally be longer and have more complicated features. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Singer

Hi Angus,

We recently submitted a page for Eloise Singer, would you mind detailing what references were unable to be accepted for publishing?

Thanks SF Singerfilms (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Singerfilms Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read your user talk page for important information. Who is "we"? Only a single individual should have access to and be operating your account. 331dot (talk) 19:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Help on creating Wikiproject

Dear WP:TEAHOUSE, I am one of the contributors of the European Training network Of PhD researchers on Innovative EMI analysis and power Applications. This is a wikipage dedicated to disseminate knowledge regarding Electromagnetic Compatibility and Electromagnetic Interference on the basis of European Union's Horizon 2020 research program under the Marie Skłodowska-Curie grant agreement No 812753 [1]. Please, may you help me to improve it? I would like to turn it into a wikiproject such as [[2]], how should I proceed? Thanks in advance. Douglas Aguiar do Nascimento (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Douglas, I'm not quite sure I know what you're referring to with "WikiProject" here, your page is already a part of two WikiProjects: WikiProject Higher education and WikiProject European Union. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I've posted my concerns regarding the article at Talk:European Training network Of PhD researchers on Innovative EMI analysis and power Applications#Purpose of this article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Were you maybe referring to tagging the talk page with WikiProject banners?) – Thjarkur (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Einstellungen

hi and good evening I just wanted to ask what will happen if I enable advanced mode in Wikipedia Alisha rains (talk) 20:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: I'm afraid I don't know which "advanced mode" you mean. What page and exact text of the option are you looking at? Is it something on a tab of Special:Preferences? Also, please don't modify your signature or attempt to sign manually. Just end your post with ~~~~ (I fixed your post above). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's this new thing: mw:Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions. Alisha rains, you can click that link to read more about it, it just gives you some more buttons. You can turn it off any time. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: Also, when you use the Ask a question button to post a new section here, you shouldn't sign at all – it has code in the pre-loaded text that it puts in the edit window that auto-signs for you (see the directions in the comments). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: On a mobile phone you can look at and edit Wikipedia in one of two viewing modes: 'Mobile View' or 'Desktop View' (there's a teeny, tiny, miniscule, itsy-bitsy, almost invisible, unnoticeable and easily missed link at the bottom of every page to allow you to switch between viewing modes on a phone. But you'll have to look carefully or you might miss it.) Mobile View is really only for viewing content and basic editing on phone. It gives you extremely limited access to many of the tools desktop computer-based editors need and use all the time. But 'Desktop View' on a phone gives you everything, and I do a lot of my editing that way. But the 'Advanced Mode' is a nice halfway house for phone users who like the simple Mobile View', but still desire a bit more functionality for editing. There's a little slider button in 'Settings' which lets you turn it on or off, and it gives you easy access to talk pages, history pages, user tools and some other editing tools, too. Although I have had it activated on my phone since last year, I still prefer phone editing in 'Desktop View' - and my mobile is an iPhone 5S with a really small screen. I hope this helps - do give it a try, and let us know how you find it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much guys for replying to my question I really really appreciate and for those that asked what button I am talking about it's the button you will find when you go to settingsAlisha rains (talk) 04:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Article needing image tag

I just added a free image (in the infobox) for A Modern Magdalen article. I also happened to notice on the article's talk page that there was a parameter in the portal box that tags it as needing an image for the article. Should I also delete that tag or is that something someone on the WikiProject Film group would do? I'm really new to all of this so don't want to overstep what should be done. Thanks! MarcusGarland (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello MarcusGarland, thanks for the image. Removing that "image missing" parameter is fine, I've done it now. Wikipedia of course makes it very easy to overstep, but you're mostly free to add WikiProject banners and to tinker with them when needed, almost no WikiProject is so active that it is able to keep their banners updated. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thjarkur, thanks so much for your quick response and guidance. It's much appreciated and now I can add that bit to my learning curve! MarcusGarland (talk) 22:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Handling promotional edits

Basic question. On a bibliography of a living person, what to do when you find extensive edits, many of which are promotional, making it hard to suggest meaningful edits for objectivity? I have this article in mind ... Alfred Mutua  ... TruthHunterLe (talk) 23:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

TruthHunterLe, is it easier now? Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

TruthHunterLe, the content you added with these edits look overly negative at first glance. It is your personal responsibility to ensure all content you add or restore to a biography of living person complies with WP:BLP and all controversial, especially negative aspects, in BLPs should be handled conservatively. So please make sure, if you haven't already, that all such content follows WP:BLP and WP:NPOV, and has strong support of reputable reliable sources. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguations

Is is true that if a page title is followed in parentheses to denote that there is another page with the main title (ie. SpongeBob SquarePants (character) -> SpongeBob SquarePants), then the disambiguation reminder at the top of the page should only be on the one without parentheses in its title? If a character named after a series had their own page (like what I've provided an example of), I'm assuming it would be unethical to include the disambig reminder on the character page that links to the series page, and the latter is the page that should have it, in this case reminding the reader of the existence of the character page? Just a thought. Meetertound (talk) 01:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Meetertound, there are no ethical issues involved. Hatnotes are a navigational aid and we should put them where they are likely to be useful. In this case, it is highly unlikely that someone looking for SpongeBob SquarePants will end up by mistake at SpongeBob SquarePants (character) since nobody uses search engines that way, nor is anyone likely to put in terms like the latter into the article they are editing when they mean the former. But it can easily happen the other way around. Someone may be looking to read about the character and end up at the series page. A hatnote at the top tells them where the character lies. Similarly, an editor mentioning the character could easily link to the series page and not realise it. And the hatnote could help the reader who ends up at the wrong article following such links. WP:HATNOTE has more. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Interracial marriage is a mess

I don't know what to do with the wiki page interracial marriage. This page feels highly vandalized with many users pointing fingers at each other and at first I thought I knew who was in the right but now I don't know what to believe, I would personally try to read its history and fix the page but i'm currently really busy in real life and won't be free until around mid to late October, and even when I try my best to fix pages I often take the lazy way out or forget why I was trying to pursuit this edit in the first place and create a bigger mess than before, I don't know how to fix this page or help the users who fight with each other so I'm asking others to help, please -- Toby Mitches (talk) 01:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, we could always go back to the beginning. No, I am not being serious. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Toby Mitches. If you've got concerns about the article, you can be WP:CAUTIOUS and discuss them at Talk:Interracial marriage. This will give others who also might be interested in subject matter chance to give their opinion as well. You can also be WP:BOLD and try to improve the article yourself; if someone's else reverts your changes, just follow WP:BRD and WP:DR, and try to address the other editor's concerns through article talk page discussion. What you really want to avoid doing (even though I'm pretty sure you just did it by mistake) is essentially blanking an article like you did here; I know you immediately self-reverted, but that's the kind of thing that's going to set off all kinds of buzzers and alarms (i.e. attract lots of immediate attention) and possibly lead to some warnings being added to your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. To be honest you haven't really helped me, you have only stated the obvious, however this is my fault, I was should have asked a question instead of a statement, also I am aware that you shouldn't black a page, I did that by accident, I have no idea how it happened, but as soon as I saw what I did, I rushed back to editing and I fixed my mistake, I clearly didn't do it out of some malicious intent? instead what I should have asked is that I think their is a user who is abusing edits and I'd like to report him, he is sharing links relative to the topic but than editing the Wikipedia to suit his own interest, I would like to open a case against him, could you help me understand the process a little better and what will I be getting myself into? Thank you in advance -- Toby Mitches (talk) 03:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​ I think you should try and continue to try and engage in discussion with the other editor on the article's talk page; however, I don't think you should be so quick to categorize the other editor as a liar oder vandal unless you willing to support such statements by providing actual WP:DIFFs as proof. Content disputes (particularly about contentious subjects) often become emotional and heated and when they do your best bet is to stick to discussing content by showing how the other editor's position or claims is not in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Just from looking at the other editor's contributions, their only edits have been to the article's talk page, not the article themself; so, you calling them a vandal and liar is not very WP:CIVIL at all and will likely only make it that much harder to resolve things through discussion.

Editor behavior can be discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (ANI), but should really be the last resort when the problem has gotten so serious that administrator interventaion is needed. If you try to go to ANI now, the things any administrator reviewing the situation is likely going to notice are as follows: (1) the other editor is trying to use the article talk page to discuss things (they might be doing so in a somewhat rude manner, but they're trying); (2) the other editor has done nothing to disrupt oder vandalize the article; and (3) your response on the talk page to the other editor has been less than civil. At ANI, you will find your part in things being assessed as well; so, you might want to go back and WP:STRIKE out anything that might be considered a personal attack and just instead focus on the content being discussed. If the other editor refuse to participate in a civil discussion with you, then move to the next step in WP:DR. If their behavior worsens and becomes a serious problem, then perhaps only then you should consider going to to ANI.

FWIW, I do think some of the other editor's comments are also inappropriate and I will add a warning to their user talk page to let them know that they need to do better as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly. That is fair, but I'm being civil when accusing him of lying, as that is truly what he is doing, I do not know what else to call it, however I do see that claiming he has vandalized the page is unjust, but this is because I suspect he is sockpuppeting and I should have made that more clear when accusing him, therefore I'll need to fix my edit to better suit my case, however thank you so much, this was truly helpful and I appreciate this dearly, I will use your advice as my next steps going forward, truly thank you -- Toby Mitches (talk) 06:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sunresh creating page

Help me to publish wiki page for online study web and android application. Sunresh (talk) 05:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I assume this is about Draft:Sunresh. This draft currently lacks independent sources and as such fails WP:GNG Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Article or Article Moved To Draft

I hope someone can answer me. Can someone please tell me why the article on 2020-21 FA Vase has either been deleted or moved to draft. Ta.

Courtesy link of article in draft: Draft:2020-21 FA Vase (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

From article edit history appears it was created as a draft, and submitted. David notMD (talk) 06:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The article was deleted on 27 September: (03:37, 27 September 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page 2020-21 FA Vase (G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page) (thank)) Gab4gab (talk) 09:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Question re missing first name of article

Hi. A simple question today: I noticed the page for poet/writter Tsering Woeser is entitled without her first name [3]. Not usual practice, it seems. Fyi, BBC and France24 also use her as a reliable source for current information on Tibet. What's the process for requesting the correction? Much thanks as always. Pasdecomplot (talk) 06:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC) 

Pasdecomplot, hello! If it's your judgement that Tsering Woeser is the WP:COMMONNAME of this person, go ahead and WP:MOVE it. If you feel less sure, you can start a discussion on the talkpage first. If there's no reply for a few days, do what you think is reasonable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, wasn't sure every editor could make the move. I'll look into it. Pasdecomplot (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, it's not every editor, but you are reasonably WP:AUTOCONFIRMed by now ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, I am new at this and would like help editing a page about the boardgame called PICHENOTTE

Hello, Regarding the entry for the boardgame of PICHENOTTE at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pichenotte I do have a 'conflict of interest', since I own the United States trademark for PICHENOTTE and have been making the game since 1997. Although some of the content is correct, this entry for pichenotte is very narrow in scope, has several inaccuracies and many statements without citations.

It also promotes a manufacturer, named as Pinnochi, which seems to be a violation of Wiki rules (?) and the manufacturer seems to be very obscure or non-existent. I am not trying to promote my business, but would like my customers to see accurate information on Wikipedia about the game of pichenotte.

With a friend, we made some changes last year, but, being newbies, we used no citations and the whole article we created was deleted. That was somewhat understandable, but it could have been the beginning of a collaborative effort instead of just wiping it out. Can I get help from an experienced, neutral editor to make this entry more correct or do I have to try and do it all myself ? I have a lot of citations and references now, and would like to work with someone who has an interest in promoting an accurate entry for the game. Thank you. Vlaad_Quebec 07:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Vlaad_Quebec 07:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThreeVictors (talk • contribs)

First, there is no "we" in Wikipedia. A friend may advise you, but you are the only person who should be making edits from your account. Second, please remember to 'sign' your comments bytyping four of ~ at the end. Third, editors who add content need to add citations at the same time. Fourth, your situation is actually paid, not just COI. See WP:PAID for declaring such on your User page. As a paid editor, you should refrain from editing the article directly. Instead, you should propose specific changes in a new section on the article's Talk page, so that an independent editor can decide to implement or not. David notMD (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@ThreeVictors: I've worked on the article some (a long time ago), and am willing to take a look at additional material for it. It is not impermissible for WP to mention companies, of course. We have many entire articles on companies. For games, major manufacturers are often mentioned (including now-defunct ones). So, it's not problematic for Pinnochi to be mentioned, or ThreeVictors's company to be mentioned, if we have sources for them. Anyway, a good bet would be to put draft material at something like User:ThreeVictors/Draft:Pichenotte, with {{Userspace draft}} at the top of it, then drop me a line at User talk:SMcCandlish and I'll see about integrating some of the material. Trademarks only apply within particular jurisdictions (and a US trademark on the name of French-Canadian folk game is of limited encyclopedic relevance – should not dominate coverage of the topic). Plus we have WP:NOT#PROMO policy. So, some care will have to be taken to not make it sound like a promo for a particular company. If the article already had problems in that regard, toward the old company, it sounds like it needs revision anyway. Coverage of US adoption/availability of a Canadian game or vice versa is encyclopedically relevant, in due amounts. Should be included, but someone with a direct financial conflict of interest should probably not be making the changes. Using a draft and an experienced third-party editor who has no stake in the matter to review the suggested changes is probably the best bet. I've worked before with explicit CoI editors, to good effect.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  07:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Update: It's been brought to my attention that Pichenotte has been nominated for deletion or merger, here. Despite this, additional draft material could be useful, especially if it provides reliable sources independent of the subject. In the short term, that may help keep the article. In the longer term, if could help restore it if deleted, or contributed to better coverage of the subject if merged.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  08:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello SMcCandlish, thanks for your input and I will post my referenced material, as you suggest, at User:ThreeVictors/Draft:Pichenotte and drop you a line when substantial material is added. My Google search for Pinnochi refers one to 'Pinocchio' and one company that seems to be out of business or out of stock material In any case, I do have plenty to add and will beging soon. Thank you. Replying to David non MD...I understand that I am the sole author. I don't receive any money for editing, so I am not sure why I would be considered a WP:PAID editor, even after reading the notes about it. Are you saying that it is because I have a business ? If so, will declare it. Thank you. In any case I will proceed. I have nothing to hide and will declare all relevant information I can think of. And all this is new to me, so please bear with me as I stumble along. I am considering perhaps a new page creation, such as American Pichenotte, or Southwest Pichenotte, or Santa Fe Pichenotte, because I understand there is a legitimate claim that the square version of the board is popular and common in Quebec. The round version is also popular in Quebec and uses the same name of pichenotte, and this is where my family heritage is and many friends of non-French origion say the same thing. It seems more of a case of common terms being used for different games, as in pocket billiards, the correct term, perhaps for pool. We cannot require all pool halls to be renamed pocket billiard halls, so pichenotte players cannot be told to refer to their game as crokinole. Or for example, football and the many variations of football around the world. We can't tell Australians that Australian rules football must change their name because football is an American game with specific rules. But I can see where this gets very difficult to provide accuracy in all the Wikipedia articles without bias. Very tricky and hairsplitting. Anyway, accurate and non-biased information is what I am trying to accomplish, as I am sure you are trying to do same. Thank you.ThreeVictors (talk) 09:25, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hello, I am Fikry Muraza. I need help to get a page approved. I really hope for your support. Thank you very much! Fikry Muraza (talk) 09:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Fikry Muraza You asked about this at the AFC Help Desk, please only use one method of seeking assistance, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The Conflict Of Interest declaration properly belongs on your User page, not the draft, but as the draft has been rejected, does not matter. None of the references meet Wikipedia's standard for establishing notability. I recommend that you request the draft be deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I am trying to update the DOB one celebrity's Request

I'm trying to update the Celebrity's Date of Birth on her request. and I do have Visual Proof of her original DOB. so How I can submit that? Ufjohns (talk) 10:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Give a reference to the reliable source in which it is published; if it's not been published it's not acceptable for Wikipedia. David Biddulph (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Guidance at WP:DOB. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How to approve my article Draft:Poojabishnoi

How to approve my article Draft:Poojabishnoi Naresh Prajapat 11:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nareshprajapatmogra (talk • contribs)

@Nareshprajapatmogra: The draft still does not demonstrate that the subject is notable enough to have an article written on it. While David notMD did some cleanup, you still have yet to provide reliable sources to back up your claims, and the article still sounds promotional. In it's current state, it's highly unlikely to be approved. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Pooja Bishnoi This is WP:TOOSOON by many years. If she continues to excell at sports to the point that she participates in the Olympics, then and only then would an article be appropriate. Nothing else in the draft contributes to notability. David notMD (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

John Walton Secondary School

I submitted the page below but was declined for reasons: Submission declined on 28 September 2020 by Theroadislong (talk). This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Mama Walton (talk) 06:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Article text

The John Walton Secondary School was established in 1973 because of a growing need for a second coloured high school in Uitenhage at the time. The school was started by Mr.G.E. Jenniker, who was also the first principal, in a pre-fabricated building with hardboard walls, wooden floors and corrugated iron roof. The initial school was situated at the corner of Acacia and Papegaai Street. (Now part of C.W.Hendricks Primary School.) The school was named after Rev. John Walton who was a missionary of the London Missionary Society in India. He was also the founder of the Hankey Training School, the forerunner of Dower College. In 1978 the school moved to its current location at Rosedale Drive, Rosedale. From these humble beginnings the school rose from the dust and became a cradle that produced countless academic and sports achievers as well as leaders in various spheres. During the turbulent times of riots in the 80's and early 90's, John Walton played a significant role in the liberation struggle. During these times the school competed very strongly with other schools in Uitenhage and Port Elizabeth. It has been involved in numerous fierce sporting battles with its arch- rival Uitenhage High as well as other schools. Over the years the school has always been characterized for producing very competitive rugby and volleyball teams, and stood its own on the athletic track. In recent years the school has however struggled and currently finds it very hard to live up to its former glory days. This situation can however be improved by creating a bigger awareness amongst our community and especially amongst our former pupils. This fine institution has been instrumental in shaping who we are today. It is therefore only fitting that we should explore and nurture all possible ventures that will restore the pride that we carry in our hearts. SICITUR AD ASTRA!

References I want to add : http://www.johnwaltonsecondary.co.za/about-us/47-john-walton.html https://epages.co.za/john-walton-secondary-school-jubilee-park/ https://www.africanadvice.com/1365760/Schools/Eastern_Cape/John_Walton_Secondary/ 

Mama Walton (talk) 06:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Mama Walton, please don't post the text of the article here: just link to Draft:John Walton Secondary School. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the school says or wants to say about itself: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the school have chosen to publish about it in reliable sources such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers. All the links you have given above fail at least one of being independent, reliable, and having significant coverage of the school.

For one example of the problem, if I look at the text you have written above: "was established in 1973 because of a growing need for a second coloured high school in Uitenhage at the time", my question is, which person, wholly unconnected with the school, has said in a reliable publication that that was the reason for founding the school? Unless there is an independent reliable source, then that claim does not belong in any Wikipedia article. For another "This situation can however be improved by creating a bigger awareness amongst our community and especially amongst our former pupils" doesn't belong in any encyclopaedia article anywhere: it is not the business of an encyclopaedia to argue for anything, no matter how virtuous. Equally "this fine institution" is utterly out of place in an encylcopaedia. What a Wikipedia article does is to summarise what independent reliable published sources say about a subject, nothing more. --ColinFine (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I have read your response ColinFine and appreciate your response, I now stand back with a thankfull heart— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mama Walton (talk • contribs) 19:11, 28 September 2020 (UTC+9) (UTC)

Thank you for your appreciation, Mama Walton. I appreciate that you were meaning to be helpful by deleting the material above; but I have restored it. We don't normally change or remove material already on a talk or discussion page, since it may cause following comments to make no sense. --ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Turning URLs blue!

Hello - I'm very new to Wiki and learning slowly. I've edited a page, and added new footnotes for the page on John Pinney. One of the existing URLs (note 12) in the References list is in blue, but the ones I've added aren't, and I can't work out why. Can someone tell me? Ruthhenrietta (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Ruthhenrietta (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ruthhenrietta: The blue text that you see are links to the citations, you might find Wikipedia:Citing sources helpful, additionally I'm including a link to the page Template:Cite book which has the script you would need to cite books. I've adjusted two of your sources for you to give you a head start, and use for an example. I hope this helps. Coryphantha Talk 12:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Ruthhenrietta. You need to provide a url for a source if you want it to appear blue in the "References" section. It looks like you've cited some sources, but haven't didn't provided any links to where they can be viewed online; this is perfectly OK to do per WP:SAYWHERE because sources aren't required to be available online as long as they're reliable. The reason John Pinney#cite_note-12 is blue is because a link for the source has been provided; the reason John Pinney#cite_note-4, John Pinney#cite_note-10, and John Pinney#cite_note-11 aren't blue is because no url has been provided for those sources. The principle works essentially the same as that for internal links (i.e. WP:WIKILINKS); if I simply type "John Pinney" without providing a link to the page, all you get is "John Pinney"; if, however, I provide a link for "John Pinney", it will be in blue as "John Pinney". -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Coryphantha @Marchjuly - I'm beginning to realise that getting the citations right is about 100 times more difficult than writing the article itself.. and I can't remember how to tag you in my reply - apologies Ruthhenrietta (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried using the VisualEditor to insert references? See here, if you have a URL it can automatically create a linked citation for you. And if you're linking to a book on Google Books, this tool can automatically convert them to a citation for you. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ruthhenrietta: You can find further help on adding references at WP:REFBEGIN or at WP:ERB. (The second is a help page I wrote myself. Both have videos to help you) We have two options of editing tools - both have a helpful 'Cite' button, and both allow you to paste in a url and automatically get it to 'autofill' as much as it can. You'll probably still need to add a few details manually. I will be frank: adding references using Visual Editor is not as easy as doing it using WP:Source Editor, especially when you want to add in additional field. Good luck, and stick with it! Nick Moyes (talk) 20:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

How AmI supposed to write

If I am not supposed to write from other websites, how can I write it myself with no help. NuvolaBrain123 (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​You'll have to first read the source and then summarize in your own words what the source says. One thing you could try if you're having trouble paraphrasing: Find a few sources and create a list of all the basic facts they contain (add them as a source for each line). Then, take those facts you've just written down and write prose around them. This often works better on Wikipedia than elsewhere because we write in a short summary style. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Watch out for self-published sources though, Google Sites and Steemit aren't reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Team

is there a way that I can make a team? AbinadiDanvers (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello AbinadiDanvers, could you be more specific? Do you mean that you want to write an article about a sports team? – Thjarkur (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

no I want to know if you can make a team of editors?--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 17:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​People usually just work by themselves on things that interest them. They can use talk pages to discuss content when needed. You can also see WikiProjects, for example WikiProject Military history, where people can discuss improvements to a broader set of articles. It would probably be quite hard to mantain a team here since it usually just comes down to yourself to be WP:BOLD and improve articles by yourself. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

no I mean editing the content of the page`s and how stuff looks. But I will see what you say tomorrow I got stuff to do, goodbye.--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, AbinadiDanvers. That depends on what you mean by "a team of editors". Each individual editor must have his or her own account, two or more different people must not share the same account. Editors can choose to work together. Indeed the various WikiProjects are in a sense teams of Editors. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory and linked pages for a list of existing projects, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals for where to propose a new project.

Editors can agree to work together in other ways than a project, as long as each editor has a separate account. It is best to create a page where the editors involved can discuss whatever they are working on. I can help you do that. I would need to know what the team planned to work on. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you DES I will make sure to contact you for help.--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 13:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Yell

I am a relatively new editor. I have been updating this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yell_(company) with company news that is in the public interest and published in the national media.

Another editor, from an anonymous IP address and presumably working for Yell is repeatedly undoing my updates as soon as they are published.

I find the wikipedia guidance on these disputes pretty confusing and would appreciate any advice on how to stop this page vandalism.

Richdanny (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Richdanny (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Richdanny, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First of all, you have no evidence that the IP was workign for Yell, nd should not make such an accusation without evidence. The edits that were reverted did not properly cite sourfes, adn might havbe ben reverted for that reason alone.

You have now added sources in proper form, and the matter has now been discussed on Talk:Yell (company). I have removed the inline external links which you had left in place. I will say that the sources you added are less than wonderful, but that can better be discussed on the article talk page. If there are further reverts you can raise the matter there. Note that a revert is not always vandalism, although ideally a revert would indicate the reason, at least briefly. If there seems to be persistent vandalism, it may be reported at WP:AIV or a request for page protection may be made at WP:RFPP. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Formation date of Sunderland AFC

I note the reply to an earlier question of mine. Sunderland AFC have put out this statement at:- https://www.safc.com/news/club-news/2020/september/on-this-day-in-1880

I repeat, no matter what is claimed by the organisation they have no primary source material from 1879 on this. None exists. if you take a look at the link on the page that 'confirms' 1879 you will see it is to a page that goes back to 2010 and which has never been altered since and which, is to all intents and purposes, dead.

Meanwhile, there is primary source material from 1880 on this with the Sunderland Echo of 27 September carrying a report of the teachers meeting two days earlier that states 'the teachers have FORMED a football club'

A more accurate report on the club's formation date would start by saying at the meeting of 25 September 1880 the club was formed ..... some people have claimed the club was formed in 1879 and have pointed to an article in 1887 and later in 1929 as indicating this is the case.

I don't wish to labour this point but I am acknowledged as a football historian, I have written numerous football history books and Sunderland is my own team of many years. MarkMetcalf (talk) 16:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

This was asked here as recently as four days ago. Start a discussion at Talk:Sunderland A.F.C.. I will post a note to the football WikiProject as well to let them know of this question. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Nic Dunlop

Dear Sir or Madam,

I didn't realise I couldn't edit my own wikipedia page and now there is a template saying that 'major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view'. Everything on the page is now up to date and factually correct. Can you help me clean it up?

Many thanks and I look forward to hearing from you,

Nic Dunlop Nicdunlop (talk) 16:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I did not see anything that required cleanup as such, practically the entire article was written by another editor. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nicdunlop. You might want to look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia as well as Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for information on how you can request help if you've got concerns about the content of the article. I also suggest you take a look at c:User talk:Nicdunlop#File tagging File:Nic Dunlop.jpg and c:Commons:OTRS#Licensing images: when do I contact OTRS? regarding the photo that's currently being used in the article. All you probably need to do (if you're actually the person who took the photo) is email your WP:CONSENT to Wikimedia OTRS for license verification purposes. If you didn't take the photo yourslf, then you probably shouldn't be claiming it as your "own work; in that case, please look at c:Commons:OTRS:If you are NOT the copyright holder for more details. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding images

How do i insert images to my story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foodboy1 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Section header added. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Foodboy1. What do you mean by "story"? This is an encyclopedia and we do not have stories. Adding images is very complex, so please describe the image you want to add and where you found it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Foodboy1's draft Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Images and pictures

How does one add images and pictures in their writings? 105.232.25.195 (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

This should help you Wikipedia:Images TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

My article is for deletion and I am said as UPE

I have created a few articles recently. One of this is Jahan Geneve which I created two weeks back. Suddenly I found that to be deleted today for speedy deletion as promotional. I tried to address the issue and recreate the article after removing all the promotional parts. But it was again nominated for speedy deletion in same category. I have been going through the notibility policy and other policies thoughly before creating all my articles. I think the brand is notable as have some historic value while based in switzerland, so decided to write about it. I found some editor said I am an UPE. I have felt devastated and decided to nominate my own article for deletion. I truly believe there are lot of editors there who can judge and decide if the article is worthy of being retained in wikipedia. I am fine with any outcome out of it. But it was very shocking the way I was alleged of being paid editor persistently. I would request any help and I think this will help me with my future activities in wikipedia better. The deletion discussion is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jahan_Geneve --Chiro725 (talk) 20:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Chiro725 (talk) 20:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Chiro725 (talk) 20:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Chiro725, hello & welcome, an article, no matter how notable the subject matter is, can still be deleted as being too promotional, it’s unfortunate you are saddened by your current predicament but UPE is a serious transgression and editors here try to combat it to the best of their ability, if you are accused of UPE, there’s probably a valid reason for it. Paid editing as long as it is in tune with what has been outlined in WP:PAID is legal but not disclosing it is very much a serious violation that may get you blocked from editing altogether. Celestina007 (talk) 21:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Celestina007, Thank you very much for your comment. At least someone talked nicely to me. I have understood that there was some problem with my initial article as it has some promotion. At the time of recreating it, I saw the notice which said if I could improve the article only then I should proceed which I followed. Also, I think all are here working to make this resource of enormous value to modern world better and better and better. I did not think that writing about a commercial entity will make me face this. I just want the right thing to happen. I have complete trust on the editors who have spent a lot of time here, but I don't think they are right with the allegation with me. I do not have any wish to say in favor of any article or any edit if that violates our policies. But I am seriously feeling something is not happening right. I have come to know that a lot of people gets blocked here but I don't have any wish to get blocked ever, so I try to always red policies before I do something unfamiliar. I request you further, please forgive me if I am asking too much, but can you please remark what you think about the article? I wish to see something just happen to my article. I agree any article can get deleted, but I think that must happen in proper way. I thank you so much for your taking time and addressing my concern. I am really feeling a lot better. Thank you --Chiro725 (talk) 21:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Chiro725, I know that receiving these warnings is quite uncomfortable. The thing about Wikipedia is that we have almost no information about who the other editors are and therefore many things are just based on trying to find patterns. We have seen a lot of paid editors that have a similar editing pattern to yours, so using the best available information it's normal that someone would ask you if you are a paid editor. If you're not, then you can just ignore it and continue writing articles about notable topics. Regarding your article on Jahan Geneve, it appears that the only coverage that they have are press releases and similar, there's little independent coverage to be found. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I am a blocked user, and I would like to request additional IP block time

I am User:Ylevental, and I have mental issues that will make it hard to not sock. I think six months' time would be fine. My IP range is at Special:Contributions/2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F4A5:547C::/64 and the quarantine makes it hard to go outside much. I've lost interest in Wikipedia anyway; this is just in case. I lost interest particularly because of endless edit wars such as Special:Diff/945920522/945925090 (concerning autism) and Special:Diff/975358290/975359916 (concerning Bernie Sanders)

 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F4A5:547C:7C47:70C3 (talk) 21:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello there. Just a quick note to say that I do appreciate your post - thank you. I understand your request and the difficulties you must be facing at this time. Be assured that I am looking into this, and will respond again as soon as I am able. (I have posted a note at User talk:Ylevental (see here). Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

You are welcome. Thanks for the post. 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F003:F68B:EF93:9434 (talk) 23:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

BTW I have taken up alternative baking as a hobby; I find it more agreeable with me at this time 2606:5580:30C:7F9E:F003:F68B:EF93:9434 (talk) 23:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Likewise, thank you for responding. (My wife and I have also done quite a bit more cooking and baking recently, too. Her homemade bread is wonderful when toasted and with butter and fig jam!) I do understand how addictive Wikipedia can sometimes be, and how ovewhelming the temptation to check and make edits so often is. As a non-autistic person, self-control is often quite hard for me, so I welcome your post, and can't possibly imagine how hard it has been for you during this time. Having checked your IP 64 range and that your post here is legit, I am shortly going to apply a /64 range block for 6 months, as you requested. Because IPv6 addresses change so much, it might be very hard for anyone to spot any future unblock request. Putting Wikipedia to one side, I just want to say that I can't really fully appreciate what you've been going through, but I am on your side. For your own good, I'm going to instigate that block for you. Please remember that wherever you are in the world, there are local agencies and volunteer bodies able to offer support if things get too much. With respect to Wikipedia, there is also this support page. Kind regards and best wishes from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

OK, my friend. That has now been done for you. Take good care. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

rikan lateef

Hello. Can you review my article if it contains an error or not and help me complete it Karrar.allamy (talk) 23:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Karrar.allamy: Please link to your draft, as you have created more than one recently. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:23, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@Karrar.allamy: Is it Rikan Lateef? RudolfRed (talk) 00:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

RudolfRed Yes, this is the article and also the other, they are the world champions in the kickboxing game, and you can find their names in articles about the games Karrar.allamy (talk) 02:28, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Turn redrict into artices

Turn redirects into articles. How do you turn redirects into articles? }} Cwater1 (talk) 02:47, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Cwater1, you just hit the edit button just like any other article, remove the redirect code that is there, and start writing an article. If you would need a lot of time and edits to make an acceptable article, you can write a draft on "Draft:" space or your "User:" space and then move the page to the location of the redirect when it is ready, or ask someone else to move it for you. Do note that there may be a reason the redirect is not an article, so you should first explore if there is an existing consensus not to have that article but only a redirect for it. If there is no such consensus, you should still make sure the topic is notable, per WP:N before you make it into an article. If in doubt, write a draft (just use this WP:Article wizard) and submit it. Someone else will check it to determine if the topic is indeed notable, and if the draft is ready, move it to the correct location. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving pages

Does anyone know how to move a page to a page that already exists? This is my first time venturing into moving pages, and cannot seem to find a way to do this without copy-pasting which is not allowed. Anyone? Heart ^(talk) 03:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

@HeartGlow30797: I think you may need an admin to do this. You can post a request at WP:RM. RudolfRed (talk) 04:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi HeartGlow30797. I don't think it's technically possible for you do so. The other existing page will need to be deleted first, and you're going to need to be an administrator to do that. It might be possible to WP:USURPTITLE the already existing page, but that can be tricky to do and the possibility of making a mistake is high if you're not familiar with the process. Generally, the way Wikipedia tries to resolve such name conflicts is through Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Disambiguation as well can sometimes tricky though when it involves determing which page is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, which editors might not always agree upon. Anyway, if you can provide more information about the page you want to move, then a Teahouse host can probably give you a more specific answer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly, thanks, I think I will build up my cred by doing simple page moves for a while. Hopefully, then I can be able to get the page mover right. Thanks, y'all! Heart ^(talk) 05:21, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Page mover right is sufficient, so admins are not necessary. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797, Please see WP:SWAP for information about how to swap two pages. You may be able to perform this action if you have a page mover right. Once swapped, you may need a little bit cleanup as well. ─ The Aafī (^talk) 14:11, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

I have added few references to the article I created about Mahaveer Awards. Can you kindly guide me how to get my article approved. Wmydaughter (talk) 04:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wmydaughter. Try taking a look at Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners for some general tips on how to properly write, format and cite a Wikipedia article. You might also want to look at Wikipedia:Notability for some information on the kinds of topics generally deemed OK to try and create Wikipedia articles about. Finally, you could also try asking the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Awards and Wikipedia:WikiProject India for help since those WikiProject seem to be the ones most relevant to the subject of your draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link:Draft:Mahaveer Awards. Wmydaughter, I added the untitled header to your post to separate it from another. Please feel free to modify it as you like. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I moved six references into the body of the text, but you may decide that those need to be in different places in the text. David notMD (talk) 09:48, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Want to publish my profile as I'm already a celebrity

I am new to wiki, I have never been here before, I want to know how can I publish my Biography to Wikipedia so people can know me more? MizanRahmanSinger (talk) 04:51, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi MizanRahmanSinger. You seem to be misunderstanding some important things about Wikipedia. I suggest you take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Autobiography, Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing for some general information that you'll might find helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

In a request for closure, are edits pre-request for comment and private thanks post-request for comment allowed to be mentioned?

In This request for closure of an expired request for comments, I go into detail about edits from the dispute that caused the request for comments, as none of the other three users in the dispute ever commented on it (with one being inactive for most of it). In fact, all of the votes for the RFC were to keep the content on the page, but there were only 4 votes (including mine), so I felt the need to mention the other three users in the dispute. Additionally, I mention the advice from one of the opposing users that the page needed secondary sources, and then link to an image showing a private thanks from him for me adding said secondary sources. Are these details allowed or not for a request for closure? Considering how low the participation was for the RFC, I felt the need to mention the other users in the dispute due to them not commenting on the RFC, but now I’m having second thoughts that said details aren’t allowed. Unnamed anon (talk) 05:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

films

sir why my page of K. B. pathak was deleted from the sandbox it was send for pubilcation we are new to this page so please help me out K B Pathak (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

K B Pathak, if you are referring to your sandbox, the deletion log says that you requested deletion. See WP:REFUND if you wish to get it back. I see you got blocked temporarily for unsourced content, if you wish to continue editing read WP:CITE and then request for an unblock. Heart ^(talk) 06:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

See Kader Khan for an example of an article about a person active in the India movie industry. Your draft is just a list of movies for which K B Pathak did the screenplay. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Renaming/Moving a category

Hi,

I want to rename the Category:Indian summiters of Mount Everest as the spelling of "summiteers" is wrong, but I cant find any move option and also no help in Help:Category. How do I rename/move this category which reflects the appropriate changes in the 55 articles listed in it without manually labouring on all 55 articles. The articles using the correct spelling like Indian summiteers of Mount Everest show red links. Is in such circumstances tools like AWB appropriate for automated editing? Thanks. Roller26 (talk) 07:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The spelling isn't wrong it can be spelt either way, there are hundreds of catgeories that use the spelling "summiter" here Category:Summiters of Mount Everest. Theroadislong (talk) 08:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Theroadislong, thanks. It so happens that when I was trying to clear this confusion earlier on google, I was misspelling the single e version with a single m and hence was not getting any relevant results, leading me to assume that spelling to be incorrect. Anyways want about future cases of category moves/renaming. Roller26 (talk) 08:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Roller26. The name of a category is on every page that is in that category, so they would all need to be edited. I've no doubt there is a bot that can do this, though I know little about bots; but it would need to be done. --ColinFine (talk) 08:54, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Roller26, ColinFine the process for renaming categories is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion and spelling mistakes can be corrected by Speedy renaming. If renaming is agreed then the administrator who processes it will use a bot to update all the affected articles. TSventon (talk) 12:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, TSventon Thanks. Roller26 (talk) 13:14, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, all!

My name is Maurice B Thomas, in no need of anonymity, and incredulous of the antics of one poster, widely regarded as a "troll." So, my initial question is, "Who is he?"MARKETEX2020 (talk) 09:07, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

MARKETEX2020 are you talking about Viewmont Viking, who posted a warning on your page, and who you made a legal threat against? Please read Wikipedia:No legal threats. In answer to your question: that editor is an experienced user, and what he put on your page was a standard warning against changing content without providing a reliable source. Bishonen | tålk 09:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC).

MARKETEX2020 You added content to Timuel Black and Pervis Spann without providing reliable source references. Viewmont Viking reverted the changes and politely posted on your Talk page that the content was removed due to lack of referencing, but could be added back if references were provided. That is standard procedure. As Bishinen noted, VV is an experienced and highly regarded editor - the antithesis of a "troll." Your posting of your credentials on VV's Talk page are for naught; all (well some) of us are experts or have unique access to information. Threatening a "legal snafu" on your own Talk page was, hopefully, hyperbole in the heat of the moment (since removed by you), and so you are free to continue to add valuable information to articles. Just remember that truth is required, but verification via references is also required. This is especially true for biographies of living people. David notMD (talk) 10:08, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

The existing entries, for both subjects, remain defamatory, in my humble opinion, as they contain erroneous information about African Americans,(ala 'Amos 'n' Andy') which tends to defame the subjects, both of whom, well known to myself and others, would find the entries objectionable as erroneous.

Both men are African Americans who are advanced in age (88 years and 101 years respectively for Mr. Spann and Mr. Black) who have not, to my knowledge, even seen these entries or are unlikely to ever see these entries, while they remain defamed without their knowledge. MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

You should allow the corrections submitted, as even your assertion that, for example, Mr. Black's parents were sharecroppers could not possibly have been true as they lived in urban industrial settings in Bessemer, Florence, and Birmingham, Alabama, where there is no opportunity for agricultural pursuits of any kind whatsoever, and Steel Mills are prevalent.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

My Sources are my own direct knowledge and the subjects themselves, whose interviews I have either conducted over periods as long as 60 years (I attended Farragut High School, where Mr. Black taught, from 1959-1963, for example) or where I have attempted to include such first person interviews, while such inclusion has been prohibited by Wikimedia.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Your suspicions of paid employment by the subjects of myself are personally insultingMARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I did not initiate either entry, I only supplied corrections to erroneous assumptions or supplied excluded facts about each subject.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Case In Point: Your original entry on Mr Black excluded both his children and all but one spouse.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC) Case In Point: Your original entry on Mr Spann portrayed him as if a buffoon devoid of technical or business skill.MARKETEX2020 (talk) 13:13, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

I personally am willing to believe every thing you want to add is true, based on personal knowledge. Wikipedia requires references, regardless. On the flip side, if there is derogatory content without references, that should be removed. As for being questioned about paid, that is a standard query - not intended to be personally insulting - whenever a new editor is focusing on one or a few articles. A simple declaration on your User page that you are not being paid to edit the articles on T. Black or P. Spann is sufficient. David notMD (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

To your "Case In Point": About T. Black, the article was created in July 2019 and edited dozens of time before your first edit. Likewise, the P. Spann article was created in 2012. Almost all articles at Wikipedia are a cumulative effort by multiple editors. Your addition of spouses and children remain in the Black article because the content is referenced. The paragraph you want to add about P. Spann being able to draw coverage maps was reverted because it lacked a reference. David notMD (talk) 14:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

If there is a way I can help you with your problem tell me, I would love to help.--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 14:15, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Need help

Hi I need help in adding/ uploading / inserting a photograph to an artist biography - the image is owned by the artist and used for publicity purposes I am her manager and she owns the image. Shaunosh1 (talk) 10:20, 29 September 2020 (UTC) Shaunosh1

Hello, Shaunosh1. If she owns the copyright to the image, then she (alone) has the power to license it in a way acceptable to Wikipedia, and must do so explicitly for it to be accepted. Please see Donating copyright materials. She needs to be aware that in doing so, she is giving irrevocable permission to anybody at all to reuse or alter the image for any purpose, commercial or not, provided they attribute it. Please note also that "publicity purposes" are fundamentally incompatible with the purposes of Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 11:22, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Can someone help me

can someone help me edit pls I'm miserably failed Mr.Knrz. (talk) 10:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Mr.Knrz. appears to be attempting an autobiography as Draft:Knrz. David notMD (talk) 10:37, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mr.Knrz., I've fixed your draft. However, do note that Wikipedia is not the right place to write about yourself. When you do become notable enough, someone who is not you will eventually write about you. – Thjarkur (talk) 11:10, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

the person Im writng about is not me I'm his mentor/manger he is known locally but not enough is that wat u mean — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mr.Knrz. (talk • contribs) 11:40, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Mr.Knrz., so are you paid by him? If so, you must make a paid editing disclosure on your user page per our terms of usage. JavaHurricane 11:58, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

WP:TOOSOON applies to people who have not yet accomplished enough to meet Wikipedia's idea of notability. David notMD (talk) 13:52, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

deterministic bias entrapment

 2600:1700:7AA1:7D60:5C71:C6DD:765F:C854 (talk) 11:34, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello there! Welcome to Wikipedia. Could you explain what your question may be? JavaHurricane 11:56, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Chronological or Reverse Chronological

Hi, I just posted my question, but I forgot to add the Subject/headline. So sorry. My question was whether Wikipedia prefers reverse chronological or ordinary chronological in a list of Awards on a BLP. Passiflorida (talk) 13:49, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Passiflorida, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no clear rule. I think chronological, that is oldest first, is more common, but when the more recent awards are rather more significant, an article may use newest first. Any given article should be consistent, however. And awards of limiter or no significance should often be simply omitted. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 14:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)