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Former good articleJohn Marshall was one of the History good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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March 18, 2006Good article nomineeListed
October 7, 2009Good article reassessmentDelisted
Current status: Delisted good article

Marshall and slavery

I'm writing here rather than edit the text because both of the cited sources have very real issues, which may have been addressed by archived posts, but not by the publishing presses (Penguin Random House and Harvard University Press). Particularly compared to them, I have limited time and could not find a law review article (in a couple of independent searches) citation to which could quickly resolve these issue. First, the first name of the author of the cited Paul book is "Joel" not John. In the cited pages (in a chapter entitled "Slaves and Hypocrites"), Paul does discuss several cases in which Marshall successfully defended slaves (including one convicted of murdering a slavecatcher who mistakenly broke into her home, and for whom Marshall secured a pardon), which Finkelman's more recent writings continue to choose to ignore. Another somewhat recent Marshall bio like Paul also says that at Robin Spurlock's urging, Marshall sponsored the bill that became Virginia law (and whose interpretation eventually led to George Wythe's death) whereby children of Native American mothers were considered born free. But neither of these book bio authors gives a statutory citation--Paul apparently just citing to a 1996 biography which I haven't tracked down. More seriously, the cited page 46 only uses the "household slave" number (IMHO mistakenly) also used by previous law review authors cited (but inaccurately discussed) by Finkelman. One of those decades old law review articles also says Marshall probated the estate of John Graham (diplomat) which freed slaves. Neither author discusses Marshall's slavery rules as evolving, nor Bushrod Washington's possible pro-slavery role.Jweaver28 (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've begun editing the slavery section, though COVID, my other responsibilities and cyberharassment continue to complicate matters (today's the fifth deliberately unidentified no message call from a cellphone using 800-875-5164). As of yesterday, Hein online shows another article about this issue, published in the November 2020 journal of the Supreme Court Historical Society, but embargoed. The last issue the Library of Congress' copyright office received was published before the pandemic (vol. 1) and this is in vol.3. For what it's worth, the Paul book does mention slavery many more times, but I did not bring it to the cafe this morning, and forgot to download the August 2020 U.Chgo.L.Rev. online pdfs (at least one of which also cites the new academic author in addition to Hobson as one of its reviewers, along with Harvard University Press' permission). When I returned home and retrieved the 2018 HUP book, they seem derived (though not exact copies of) its Chapter II, which I cited last evening.Jweaver28 (talk) 13:39, 21 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]