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October 22

October 22, 2021 (2021-10-22) (Friday)

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October 21

October 21, 2021 (2021-10-21) (Thursday)

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  • 2021 North Kosovo crisis
    • A working group to find a more permanent solution to the license plate issue, consisting of negotiators from the governments of Kosovo and Serbia, meet for the first time in Brussels. If negotiations are successful, the group will announce their proposals in 6 months. (Gazeta Tema)

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RD: Bernard Haitink

Article: Bernard Haitink (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, Classic FM, Gramophone
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Famous Dutch conductor. Article already in fairly decent shape, needs a little bit of touching up and should be good to go. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support It looks good article, however its lead should be improved.--Seyyed(t-c) 03:49, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Einár

Article: Einár (rapper) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1], [2]
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --BabbaQ (talk) 01:09, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have expanded it. And it has been deemed a Start article based on article content besies Discography.BabbaQ (talk) 01:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi

Article: Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Forbes
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 10:43, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 20

October 20, 2021 (2021-10-20) (Wednesday)

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2021 Barbadian presidential election

Article: 2021 Barbadian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dame Sandra Mason is elected as the first President of Barbados. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Reuters
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Article updated

Nominator's comments: The former Governor-General will serve as President when Barbados becomes a republic. Joofjoof (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Change in head of state, and in system of government. Article is small (~start class) but cited throughout. I don't believe we should be using a title ("dame") in the blurb though but I could be wrong. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:20, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - This is a bit trick to me. This seems to be a ceremonial position and an indirect election. Am I right?--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, but it's also the election of the head of state who will succeed Queen Elizabeth when the Republic is established, so a little more significant than such elections would usually be. I'm personally mixed on whether or not it's ITN, or whether it would be better to wait until 30 November when the monarchy in Barbados officially ends, but I get why the conversation is occurring. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 00:56, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Not opposing, but I'd suggest waiting until 30 November, when the constitutional shift is to take place. Much bigger story. Moscow Mule (talk) 03:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sakharov Prize

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Article: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russian opposition activist Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his contribution to protecting freedom of thought.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Opposition politician Alexei Navalny (pictured) is awarded the Sakharov Prize for his work against corruption in Russia.
News source(s): Euronews, dpa, DW (Eng.), WaPo, NPR, AFP (Via Yahoo), NYT (paywalled)
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Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Update currently may be small, but otherwise the article looks ok. Brandmeistertalk 15:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These two aren't too bad. [3] [4] Favor the first one. – Sca (talk) 18:00, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Ongoing removal: COVID-19 pandemic

Consensus is not going to develop to remove this from ongoing. - Fuzheado | Talk 14:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: COVID-19 pandemic (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Our oldest blurb is from October 14th. Since that day, nothing has been added to this article. Nothing at all. This plainly fails the Ongoing criteria the article needs to be regularly updated with new, pertinent information in every sense. If there is a specific article linked within this that is getting updates, then that article should be nominated for Ongoing. But we've had a static article featured on the Front Page for months that any interested reader has probably read many times over. If there is to be a specific carve-out for this particular article and Ongoing, please make a Talk section for it. I can't think of any non-IAR reason why this is still here. 130.233.213.141 (talk) 06:31, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support No longer an urgent developing story, overall, just became its own daily genre of mundane statistical reports, like weather, stocks or sports. New normal, as they say. Certainly doesn't need us to spotlight it anymore, if it ever did, the word's out. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:32, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose one would be hard-pressed to find a news outlet which doesn't publish COVID-related stories every day. Banedon (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the requirement to stay on ongoing is that significant additions are being regularly made to an article. That isn't the case here, as there's barely any updates in October 2021. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - this is still the single dominant story worldwide, even a year and a half after it started, and it still kills thousands every day. We've always treated it as an exception to the "continual updates" rule, in the interests of providing a quick link to this ongoing story from the main page. And having it as an Ongoing item was already a compromise given that we previously had a dedicated box to it at the top of ITN, whose removal many editors opposed.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:54, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Amakuru. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 10:09, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The main reason why the article linked from ongoing doesn't receive regular updates is that it's already attained a stable version, and most of the daily updates are therefore done in its numerous sub-articles. If this is not enough to justify it, there are cases where we can invoke WP:IAR, and this is surely one of them. In the long run, we'll probably remove this from ongoing when WHO declares that the pandemic is over and post it in a blurb.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 10:18, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Given the unequal distribution of vaccines globally and the unequal vaccination rates across different regions of individual countries, it's unlikely that the WHO will declare the pandemic to be over any time soon. So we can't wait for such an announcement. The only criteria we can use is public interest which is still very high and will remain so for a while Scaramouche33 (talk) 10:24, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The pandemic is not only still going on, it's still front-page news in many (perhaps most?) countries. Coronavirus stories are currently the top item on the websites of the BBC, CBC, Guardian, New York Times, Süddeutsche Zeitung etc. Life has not returned to 'normal' in most places. I understand the argument that the article isn't receiving frequent updates, which has merit. The traffic is also down to 20,000 hits per day - not insubstantial but not as high as I thought it would be. The numerous sub-articles are being updated, so we could switch the link to a more active target, but then it would be difficult to decide which one and we would be missing parts of the story. We shouldn't penalise an event for being so big that it spawned dozens of articles. This is the biggest news story since ITN began; I think we can treat it as a special case and IAR. Modest Genius talk 12:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Per Banedon, Amakuru. The pandemic remains the paramount condition of life on Earth and as such is comprehensively covered by RS media worldwide on a daily basis. – Sca (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is, quite literally, ongoing, and as others have said before, this is the biggest news story, and it's been so for over a year and a half. It would be wrong to remove this from Ongoing. Heythereimaguy (talk) 12:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - We can't wish COVID-19 away. Even if vaccines are now widely available, the ongoing supply chain issue caused by pandemic lockdowns is definitely still present and covered by RS.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:36, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The pandemic is ongoing and will be still for a long while. Sadly that link may remain there for a really long time but so be it. Rhino131 (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Amakuru.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Suggestion Would it be better to change the link to a piped link to Timeline of the COVID-19 pandemic in October 2021 which is fully referenced and regularly updated? We could just shift the link each month to the new month's timeline. Just a thought... --Jayron32 13:26, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, that's listed in the 'Series' box below the infobox. Perhaps it should be added to 'See also' list below the text? – Sca (talk) 13:33, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say no, at that would be an Easter Egg link. If we're keeping COVID-19 on ongoing, it should be the main article about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    A reasonable suggestion in principle, but in practice those timelines are a random selection of facts with little consistency and no coherent narrative. I doubt they would be of much use to readers. Modest Genius talk 13:42, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Still top news around the World. Change to "COVID-19 pandemic (October 2021)" to include an updated article without removing the main article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Plenty of daily updates in subarticles of the topic - the top level is too broad for most of those to perculoate into that. --Masem (t) 13:49, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – The main problem with the Covid article is length – more than 18,000 words. That equates to some 70 pages of typescript, or over 500 column-inches of the newspaper type of yore. Maybe a contingent of courageous copy editors should set to work on paring it down somewhat? (Not that it's unimportant, it's just unwieldy.) – Sca (talk) 13:51, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:IAR, much like the pandemic itself.—Bagumba (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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October 19

October 19, 2021 (2021-10-19) (Tuesday)

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RD: Jean Rochon

Article: Jean Rochon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News / Canadian Press; CBC Radio-Canada (in French); La Presse (in French)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only reported today (October 19); died on October 16 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days) —Bloom6132 (talk) 14:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Megan Rice

WP:NAC: stale (died on October 10 and reported the next day, which is beyond the oldest date not yet archived). —Bloom6132 (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Megan Rice (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT WaPo The Independent
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Anti-nuclear/peace activist and Catholic nun, most famous for breaching a nuclear storage facility aged 83, referred to as the biggest security breach in the history of the nation's atomic bomb complex. jonas (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • When? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.189.58.81 (talk) 17:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note Article quality looks good EXCEPT 1) there is no prose explanation of her death, either the manner or location of it, except that there is a date of death in the parenthetical at the beginning 2) The date, Oct 10, is to old to be considered for current inclusion on the list, unless news of her death has only been more recently released, and the explanation of her death in the text should indicate such a discrepancy as well. --Jayron32 17:54, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • WaPo obit added by the nominator is dated the 11th. Suggest Close. 159.53.78.141 (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I see that this is the nominator's first nomination with WP:ITNC. I see that they have missed out by 1 day. I also see that the article is well-referenced and from the looks of it -- pretty much ready to make it to homepage / RD. As a one-time exception, I would request the Admins to consider this nomination, given that it is the nominator's first submission. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 20:33, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Russia-NATO relations

Article: Russia–NATO relations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russia breaks off relations with NATO after NATO expels 8 Russian diplomats for alleged espionage (Post)
News source(s): [5] [6] [7]
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Surprised that this hasn't been nominated, might need a better blurb though. Banedon (talk) 05:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak Oppose All articles agree NATO dumped Russia in 2014 for messing with Crimea. Technically still something between them intermittently since, but hard to say exactly what; I think the average newsreader already considers them adversaries. That said, I'm willing to wait and see if an altblurb can put over the importance more decisively. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Check the source - NATO did not dump Russia in 2014, the two continued to exchange diplomats with one another. Banedon (talk) 02:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 18

October 18, 2021 (2021-10-18) (Monday)

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  • Russia announces that it will be suspending its mission to NATO in Brussels as early as November 1, in response to the expulsion of 8 diplomats accused of espionage from the mission earlier this month. The NATO information bureau and military liaison in Moscow will also be terminated. (CNN)

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(Posted) RD: David Finn

Article: David Finn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times; PRWeek
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 02:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Edita Gruberová

Article: Edita Gruberová (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Stellar Slovak coloratura soprano who sang leading roles for 50 years, based at the Vienna State Opera. Farewell concerts cancelled due to pandemic. The article was rather well developed, and we are still at it, because she really deserves more, but it looks well sourced as it is. Enjoy. Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

RD: János Kornai

Article: János Kornai (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): HVG.hu Hungary Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hungarian economist. Found this one in Deaths in 2021. Article requires some work including references. However, before we proceed, we should really look for additional news sources confirming death, unless we have a Hungarian editor who can confirm that the HVG.hu site is WP:RS. Thanks. Ktin (talk) 21:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Electron quadruplets - New state of matter

WP:NAC: regardless of what people think of the significance, this is a two-sentence stub with one reference, which is not WP:IS. There's no point in debating this unless/until there's an actual article to assess. Feel free to re-open if that happens. Modest Genius talk 11:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Electron quadruplets (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Professor Egor Babaev and collaborators with the KTH Royal Institute of Technology publish an experiment showing evidence of a new state of matter called electron quadruplets. (Post)
News source(s): (Phys.org), (Mirage News),
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I feel like a new state of matter being discovered is big science news. Article is still a stub, so we might want to hold off on posting for a while, but I think this is 100% ITN worthy once the article is no longer a stub. Elijahandskip (talk) 21:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on Quality Article is two sentences long. However once the article gets expanded I think this is notable enough. Jbvann05 21:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – At a grand total of 46 words, this article seems to have been prematurely nominated. – Sca (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2021
  • Oppose as of now, very much a stub. Unsure of notability; there seem to be a lot of weird states.  Nixinova   T   C   22:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as really really early in the discovery process. Yes, it's a peer-reviewed paper in a respected journal, and appears to have replicated experiments elsewhere, but even reading these news reports, they're not sure if these results conclusively give this answer, only that it continues to support this potential theory which has been around for a decade+. --Masem (t) 22:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Questions Is it visible? Tangible? Some "thing"? Is the thing in the Phys.org picture the matter? How is that not a solid, if so? InedibleHulk (talk) 00:30, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, the new state of matter hasn't been directly observed yet. There was experiments done that show evidence that a new state of matter may exist, but it may not. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Source comment - The two attached sources in the article are press releases from the professor's university that have been re-printed as the outlets haven't written their own pieces yet Bumbubookworm (talk) 01:31, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    With science stuff it is different. The real information was published to Nature Physics, a big science journal. Also, the professor listed you could consider the "main author" of the research and information, but there is tons of Universities from different countries involved in this. Elijahandskip (talk) 02:48, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality as a single-source stub. I'm always unsure of when the right time to post a science story is, but this seems like something we could post at this point were the target article better. State of matter is currently largely uncited too otherwise I would suggest an update to it, which may still be feasible if someone with a science background is familiar with useful sources for it—I think we're more likely to get an update to that page than to get a main-page worthy article out of the new state in a timely fashion. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 01:53, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. I could just be ignorant here, so please correct me if I'm mistaken, but my understanding of the situation is that evidence has been found which could suggest that a new state of matter may exist, as opposed to researchers coming to the conclusion that a newly discovered state of matter does in fact exist (or that it most likely exists). I'm worried that posting a blurb about it would imply that the findings are more conclusive than they actually are.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 03:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Phys.org churns press releases. No article should ever be written with it as a starting point, let alone run on Wikipedia's main page with the most hyped-up possible description of the result presented as fact. Beyond that, it's not even in the news, having so far only been picked up by the typical press-release aggregators. "ITN" isn't short for "In the clickbait". XOR'easter (talk) 04:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality - We could never publish a two lines one source orange-tagged article on the Main Paige.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 05:19, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the article isn't necessarily even notable enough to exist, no way it's notable enough for ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Removed) Ongoing Removal: 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption

Article: 2021 Cumbre Vieja volcanic eruption (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: A paragraph was added on Oct 8 to prevent removal and nothing pertinent since then. A few updates about lava flows and some trapped dogs. There was nothing between Oct 1 and Oct 8. There is a List of currently erupting volcanoes and for good reason we do not have every one of them in the ongoing section. Simply put, the article and the story are stale. Per the guidelines "In general, articles are NOT posted to ongoing merely because they are related to events that are still happening.". It is time for this one to come down. I've published an updated content diff if anyone wants to review the changes and highlight any new, pertinent information that I've missed. LaserLegs (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support removal Even though the eruption is still going [8] it has lost the necessary interest of type of coverage that needs regular updating as to keep it in ongoing. This is an honest look at the news covering it, and while there's a story or three daily on it, its "yup, it's still going, still causing damage to the same parts of the island and we're still waiting for any big eruption", but otherwise like watching a teapot boil at this point. Should there be an actual destructive event, I can see a new blurb on that. If the eruption peters off, then that's it. --Masem (t) 13:13, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal Even more than the sparsity of updates, what convinced me is that all of them are sourced to local Canary Islands news sources, and almost all of them from a single source. In other words, not wide coverage.130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal there are updates as recently as yesterday (17 October), and some updates for almost every day in the last week. This is still ongoing therefore. There is continued coverage in other sources in the last few days: The Times (paywalled), CBS, Sky News. All of these sources could be used to expand it, and demonstrate there is more than just local coverage of the ongoing event. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The problem is that the event is (literally) slow moving - there's still lava flow and the occasional quake, but the situation is not radically changing quickly as to necessitate updates that would have been ITN on a somewhat daily basis. Ongoing's not great for such slow-moving events either. As I noted, if there's a major event that happens, we can reconsider. --Masem (t) 13:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • The update on Oct-17 was one sentence about lava slowing and one about rescuing some dogs. Are five stranded dogs pertinent enough to keep a story in ongoing? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal The OP's diff table is huge – over 200K – and so tends to prove the opposite. The intensity seems to be getting stronger, as reported in the news – Lava tsunami; No end in sight; More cancelled flights; Drones deliver food to dogs. And it's not like the space is needed for anything else – we'd just be printing white space otherwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:15, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal. I'm updating this regularly - am trying for updating it daily. Saying that it was only updated on the 8th and no updates since is clearly incorrect per the article history (compare this with the other 'Ongoing' at the moment, last had a big non-bot edit on the 20th September). There are regular news stories about the progress of the volcano - the one I follow most is Canarian Weekly, so that's what I tend to reference, but there are others I could reference as well (e.g., El Pais has a whole section on its English front page dedicated to the volcano). Suggestions / messages about gaps would be really useful on the article talk page please (as would a notice about this discussion!). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal all the time people are reminding us that this is still "in the news" and posting links, but I'm not seeing any real encyclopedic content being added. Sure, the date formats have been tweaked and I think one sentence was added today by Mike Peel, but neither the "number of edits" nor the size of the diff table give any indication as to the quality of the updates being made. This is so boring to explain ITNR each and every time, and this one in particular. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 14:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll just reply by saying "Don't let anyone bully you away from contributing whatever you like, however you want. Stay strong and don't be dissuaded." Will do my best to do that, despite how all the ITNR discussions seem to be surprisingly stressful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 15:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • That completely misses the point, and fair play, you added a sentence, and that was literally the highlight. Anyone can edit anything in any constructive fashion, yes, but unless it's maintaining a series of high quality, ongoing edits to an item listed in Ongoing, that item isn't meeting the requirements for Ongoing any longer. Don't make it about you, it's not. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
        • A sentence today (so far), two sentences yesterday, a sentence the day before .... Mike Peel (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
          • Like I said, your contributions are the highlight. As Laserlegs enquires though, are we keeping an article on the main page because of five stranded dogs? Is that really the mission of the encyclopedia? The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:10, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
            • See my reply to them, just above, giving three key developments that have either happened since the last discussion, or are pending. Note that none of them were about dogs. Mike Peel (talk) 15:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • "key" developments? Ok. My !vote stands. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 15:17, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
              • Those additions/stories are part of this being a very "slow-moving" (in both literal and theoretical sense) news story. There is a slow-rising but small uptick in continued damage to the island but unless a sudden eruption/quake happens, no one's lives are at danger at this point, and everyone is just waiting either for it to peter off or for the cautioned "big" event, which if that happened, would certainly create a flurry of news. Keeping something that is just having this trickle of news in ongoing is not helpful because it is meant for stories where we'd likely to have otherwise have blurbs on a near-daily basis. --Masem (t) 15:22, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove While there are some small updates being made from time to time, the article is no longer up to quality (all new additions are a WP:PROSELINE mess) and major news sources are no longer featuring this prominently. --Jayron32 16:50, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Quality can definitely been improved (it's been interesting to see the flurry of edits by other editors today). Whether major news sources cover it likely depends on which country you are in and what language they use, sadly. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question When was the last time something happened that is more significant than the non-posted List of currently erupting volcanoes? GreatCaesarsGhost 17:57, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've taken this one to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of currently erupting volcanoes due to serious structural problems. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove: Volcanoes can easily go on erupting for months, doing little bits of damage here and there. That doesn't make them front-page news. Perhaps editors have enjoyed seeing lava fall into swimming-pools or something entertainingly tweetworthy. That doesn't justify being on the front page either. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    That makes them ongoing events. Your sarcasm isn't appreciated. Mike Peel (talk) 19:31, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The point of the ongoing line is to displace the need to have blurbs on the same event over and over again (eg like Olympic or World Cup results). That means there needs to be events that are blurb-worthy to be happening in the event, which the ongoing eruption is not generating. --Masem (t) 19:33, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    This doesn't align with what Ongoing is all about. Otherwise we should 2021–22 Premier League on there, right? It's "in the news" around the world and is an ongoing event, albeit with relatively trivial events (watched nonetheless by millions across the globe), sounds like we need that here right now. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:37, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough, this is turning into a debate about what 'Ongoing' is fundamentally about - I think we should be doing much more there, but that's a topic for another venue. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Mike Peel indeed. Ongoing is an oddball at the moment, oft-misunderstood from its initial instantiation. By all means, and I mean this, please make proposal(s) at WT:ITN on how to improve the way it "works"? And thanks for your efforts on this article, I feel I may not have been clear that your contributions really stood out amongst the hundreds of tweaks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 20:49, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Mike Peel's commendable effort. Others too... 108.46.31.187 (talk) 21:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal -- trivial and no longer generating sufficiently noteworthy coverage to remain in Ongoing. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 23:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal. This isn't to say nothing is currently happening or that there isn't a steady flow of updates, but merely that the ongoing updates are not at the level where, in isolation, they might warrant their own blurb, and as I understand it that's what the ongoing ticker is meant to represent. It's not one blurb-worthy event strung along for as long as it's happening (or surely we'd still have the last US election up there for how long it's still being contested), but one listing for a series of what might otherwise be blurb-worthy posts (the covid pandemic is a good example of this--we could have a blurb for every new case/death milestone, or new vaccine, or new variant detected, etc, but we collapse them all down into one ongoing listing). And since the current state of this event is no longer at the point where a day's events would be independently worthy of listing, I can't support it remaining as an ongoing item. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:19, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose removal, as updates are ongoing to the article, and Mike Peel is doing good work on it.Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:26, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Andrew has been showing persistent signs of WP:OWN about including this on ITN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.8.114.34 (talk) 02:02, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal Should have never been added. Lots of things that get blurbs have "ongoing" impacts, doesn't mean we keep them posted forever. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:29, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal per Jayron and Grapple X. The is the fundamental problem with the ongoing section; this should have been posted as an item and allowed to age off, rather than being directly posted to Ongoing.. SpencerT•C 03:08, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove. Not much is happening, media interest has passed. Yes the eruption hasn't stopped, but ongoing impact is low. Modest Genius talk 11:04, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove – From what we've see it appears this eruption could go on for a very long time without great change. If something really significant happened we could consider it then. – Sca (talk) 12:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove - The article was never really at an acceptable level and hasn't gotten better since it was put in ongoing. Key problems are that it is almost all a proseline and that it lacks an effective explanation of either the geographic or geologic setting of the eruption. I keep meaning to fix these deficits, but I have been saying "I'll fix it tonight" for 2 weeks and haven't done anything. Rockphed (talk) 12:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Removed from ongoing. --Tone 19:52, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted to RD) RD: Colin Powell

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Article: Colin Powell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Former U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell (pictured) dies at age 84. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, AP, AP, BBC, LA Times, DW, NYT
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Former US secretary of state Vacant0 (talk) 12:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bandula Warnapura

Article: Bandula Warnapura (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Papare
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First captain of Sri Lanka's Test cricket team. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 08:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) The International 2021

The discussion is long enough to conclude that there is no consensus to post.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:10, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: The International 2021 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Dota 2 Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International taking home $18,208,300, the largest prize in esports history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating PSG.LGD in the finals.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Esports, Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating Paris Saint Germain LGD in the finals.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Esports, Russian Team Spirit wins the 10th International defeating Chinese PSG.LGD in the finals.
News source(s): MSN Yahoo GMA
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: The article is in a great shape. It's high time we start posting major e-sports (at least the International) to ITN. Especially when half the sport postings right now consider sports such as Cricket and whatnot that have infinately smaller followings world wide than championships like the International with it's tens of millions of concurrent viewers --Daikido (talk) 08:36, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:ROUTINE as yearly event in a niche area. We do not post winners of the National Lottery or Love Island either despite its huge participation and following.Abcmaxx (talk) 09:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose this event is not covered in many mainstream sources, and so is not important enough for ITN, as it's way too niche. And the nominator is wrong about half the sport postings right now consider sports such as Cricket and whatnot that have infinately smaller followings world wide than championships like the International, as the IPL, which is on front page now, had 380 million viewers this year [9]. Although WP:OSE applies anyway, we should focus on this article, which isn't ITN-worthy. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:25, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    >this event is not covered in many mainstream sources ; Neither are cricket, or whatever pollo, or even less popular sports that get posted yearly. And way fewer people care about those than about the international Daikido (talk) 09:42, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment Truly terrible comparison. Cricket is a 200 year old sport and is definitely well covered in all mainstream news outlets in places that play this sport. Gaming, whilst popular, is still struggling to be even recognised as a sport. Lots of people care about Strictly Come Dancing and Great British Bake Off, we still do not post the winners of those "sporting" competitions. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    (ec) Cricket is in the mainstream news where it is popular. Cricket is popular in India and Pakistan, where over 1/7 of the population of this planet lives. No sources have been offered indicating this is in the mainstream news anywhere. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    "Cricket is not covered in mainstream sources": wrong. [10], [11], [12] from a 30 second check. The International in the other hand is a competition that most people have never heard of. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:55, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. (ec) No sources offered indicating this is in the news. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Had a look to try finding mainstream sources but nothing's showing up other than dedicated gaming sources, many of which would not meet WP:RS. Is that perhaps a journalistic problem, that they aren't covering something with "tens of millions of concurrent viewers"? Probably. But it's also indicative of this not being something we're able to post either at this point. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 10:34, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Hold up for a second. This is a new article of good quality, which is job #1. It is being covered extensively in a large number of reliable sources. Lots of editors seeking "mainstream coverage" which is not an agreed upon standard here - go find mainstream coverage for the Cape Verde election where sure to post soon. Also the pageview count is comparable with IPL - people are looking for this. Clearly the nominator triggered a bunch of you with a really bad argument, but the is not about them. Consider the nominated article. GreatCaesarsGhost 11:54, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Please offer some of these sources. 331dot (talk) 11:56, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    My question as a reader is, the international what? – Sca (talk) 12:04, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    And why does a developer-sponsored tournament for one of their own games, clearly to promote the game, merit this attention? Why this game? 331dot (talk) 12:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC) [reply]
    We are not here to decide what merits attention. We follow RS. GreatCaesarsGhost 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    If that were true, we would have posted Shatner, which was actually in mainstream news. This tournament is just one expensive advertisement for their game. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    In addition to the three mainstream sources above, here are additional sources that have been evaluated positively at WP:RSN: [13] [14] [15] GreatCaesarsGhost 12:21, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Computer gaming is a major cultural pastime which ITN under-represents (mind you, so is television). However e-sports are a minority pursuit within gaming and this particular tournament has received coverage only in specialist gaming outlets (IGN, PCGamer etc.) and does not appear to have been broadcast on any mainstream television channels. That's not enough to merit an ITN blurb. Valve streaming people playing their own game is good marketing, not a genuine sport. In addition, the article is mostly results tables, with no prose on the actual play or outcome. The comparison with cricket is laughable - that sport has over a billion active fans and 300 million current players [16]. e-sports are nowhere near that level. Modest Genius talk 12:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Are we really all on here seriously suggesting that all of e-sports in 2021 is a niche interest? That one of it's biggest events, following by millions around the world, is a sales promotion of the game's corporate owner? GreatCaesarsGhost 12:27, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I am suggesting both of those things. Modest Genius talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Esports are far from niche, given it is a >$1B market within a $200B market of video games. Esports are more likely to use streaming media than broadcast, so that should not be the factor here. The International has been reported on by mainstream news in the past, but this year, being the first back as a live event after COVID (and even then, limited due to venue changes and a limited live audience due to COVID restrictions) it has not be noted yet by any major sources, and in fact I was waiting myself for some before nominating (the ones given aren't the ones I'd have used). So would tend to agree that right it fails the normal "in the news" test for this specific event, but calling esports "minor" greatly misrepresents their role relative to video games when it comes to what would be an ITN aspect. --Masem (t) 12:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    The global market for cable cars is >$3 billion, soap is >$30 billion, and yoga is $90 billion. That doesn't mean we should be posting them in ITN. Your explanation for the lack of media interest is just special pleading. Modest Genius talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not pleading about this being posting, I am opposing it still since there's no mainstream coverage of the event still as of today. But I do oppose calling it a niche sport considering some of the other athletic ITNRs we post. --Masem (t) 14:21, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think a discussion of an update to WP:ROUTINE is in order - though there will be the question of which ones are notable: Overwatch World Cup? League of Legends World Championship? Pokémon World Tournament? etc. Plus, most Esports by design of the games don’t last more than a decade or so - at least none of note yet. Regarding media coverage, I’d say the more famous events are more covered than the less covered ITNR ones like The Boat Race or America's Cup. Juxlos (talk) 12:51, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I've been arguing for years that the Boat Race should be removed. Modest Genius talk 11:20, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think I actually opened a discussion around a year or so ago about which possible video game esports would be potential ITN topics. The International would definitely be one of them, but there absolutely has to be non-specialized coverage. Mainstream sources have covered The International before, so that's my expectation here. --Masem (t) 13:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - E-sports in its current form will never get posted to ITN.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:43, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    This event was actually posted in 2016 and 2017. Can't link the archives because of the [] issue, but they're in the August 2016 and August 2017 sections. Banedon (talk) 13:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    We also blurbed the death of Carrie Fisher in that time, so the bar has certainly risen.  – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 17:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Largely absent from RS main sites. Lacks general significance. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Purely due to no prose Results. To answer above concerns: there's no less than 6 RSs covering this, including very widely-read ones like MSN and Yahoo. I would like a genuine answer as to why these are not considered RSs, or why they are considered "specialized". There's a double superlative here: largest prize ever for an E-sport tournament and largest prize pool ever. I think that's enough to justify notability ex-ITNR. Asking why the developer is hosting a tournament is just silly. Who organizes FIFA? A group of disinterested parties?130.233.213.141 (talk) 13:44, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the more apt comparison would be if the World Cup was organised by Adidas to advertise the Telstar 18; as for "not RS", I was referring to searching for broad coverage, which brings up Wikipedia, "Liquipedia", and Dota 2's homepage before any news sources. I have no issue with Yahoo but it was absent at the time. 𝄠ʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 13:53, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait untill we see coverage in more news outlets. BBC, CNN, Euronews, Al-Jazeera, South China Morning Post seem to be completely silent on the topic Scaramouche33 (talk) 13:59, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Even as someone who plays video games, I cringe a bit when people try and put them up at the level of other sports, but the reality being Esports certainly can reach a level of notability that rivals other sports. The reason that nominations for ITN as far as Esports goes simply aren't up to snuff is kinda similar to some of the combat sports where you have to factor in the significance of every event. For example, if there was a single annual tournament recognizes as THE title event for a wide range of competitive games then that would certainly be worthy of ITN, but does Dota 2 Esports alone have enough significance? No, so that's my vote (and I would hope this sort of policy becomes precedent at some point) DarkSide830 (talk) 15:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose E-Sports is nowhere near the level of most actual sports and hasn't been covered in widespread media nearly enough. As an aside, cricket is regarded by many as the second most popular sport in the world and the last World Cup had 2.6 billion viewers and 8 million watched the final just from the UK. Terrible comparison. Jbvann05 16:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 15000 page views per day isn't enough to make the "page views" argument. A better topic for DYK. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 16:52, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support I do agree with the idea that it's about time we start including some e-sports. E-sports are sports, and we have no problem posting sports to ITN. E-sports have large audiences, large revenues, and large purses. In some countries (Korea) e-sports attract a bigger audience than some sports on ITN/R. The only thing we're really lacking is an objective way to evaluate e-sports to determine which ones are ready to join the list of sports on ITN/R and which ones are not yet there. I don't have a solution for that, but hopefully someone else does. In terms of this specific blurb, however, the biggest purse in e-sports history pushes this into weak support territory for me, since purse size is one potential objective indicator of significance; but I'm open to hearing arguments either way. NorthernFalcon (talk) 18:16, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not convinced esports are a sport, but whatever they are called, there is no objective event held to determine who is the best- these events are usually held by gamemakers as promotional events for their individual games. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – Absent from main RS sites. Significance not apparent. Suggest close. – Sca (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Earthshot Prize

No consensus to post. --Tone 16:55, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Earthshot Prize (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The country of Costa Rica is among the winners of the first ever Earthshot Prizes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, NYTimes
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is updated. Sherenk1 (talk) 05:26, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Sean Wainui

Article: Sean Wainui (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: NZ rugby player. Start class, mostly referenced.  Nixinova   T   C   02:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 17

October 17, 2021 (2021-10-17) (Sunday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Posted) RD: Brendan Kennelly

Article: Brendan Kennelly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; The Irish Times; Irish Independent
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:35, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2020 Thomas & Uber Cup

Article: 2020 Thomas & Uber Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In badminton, Indonesia and China respectively win the Thomas & Uber Cup in Aarhus, Denmark. (Post)
News source(s): [17]
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 Juxlos (talk) 12:58, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment needs some sort of summary of the tournaments. Right now, for the tournament itself, we only have tables and knockout brackets, but this is insufficient article quality for an ITN posting. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Virtually the entire article is cited to primary sources (BWF and regional bodies) or something called "tournament software" which does not have any indication of being a reliable, independent source. GreatCaesarsGhost 02:22, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not ready. There is no prose at all on what happened at the tournament. There needs to be at least one fully-referenced paragraph describing the event, who won etc. We never post articles that are just results tables. Modest Genius talk 13:01, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Two days later, still no prose. Modest Genius talk 12:36, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Cape Verdean presidential election

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Article: 2021 Cape Verdean presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ PAICV candidate José Maria Neves is elected President of Cape Verde. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: With 97% of the of votes counted, it's almost sure that Neves will be elected. Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 22:14, 17 October 2021 (UTC) PS: Several Portuguese media outlets (see here, here) are reporting Neves as the winner.--Kacamata! Dimmi!!! 00:08, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 16

October 16, 2021 (2021-10-16) (Saturday)

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Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

RD: Hiroshi Ono

Article: Hiroshi Ono (artist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NME
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Video game artist, known for a lot of pixel art on early arcade games. Hadn't had time to get a good article developed on sources post-death but clearly notable for things he did before death. Masem (t) 22:16, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dennis Franks

Article: Dennis Franks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Detroit News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:47, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Betty Lynn

Article: Betty Lynn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press; CNN; USA Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:49, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Leo Boivin

Article: Leo Boivin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com; Ottawa Citizen; Sports Illustrated
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Bloom6132 (talk) 04:25, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Striketober

Consensus will not develop to post this. User:力 (power~enwiki, π, ν) 00:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Striketober (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, France24, New York, NPR, NBC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: One of the largest labor strike waves in the United States in the nation's recent history. Hundreds of thousands of workers in the United States are participating or planning for strikes. This includes the 2021 John Deere strike, 2021 Kellogg's strike and 2021 IATSE strike.--WMrapids (talk) 04:06, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Alan Hawkshaw

Article: Alan Hawkshaw (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Composer of the Countdown theme. Needs quite a bit of work. Blythwood (talk) 22:23, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 15

October 15, 2021 (2021-10-15) (Friday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

Health and environment

International relations

Law and crime

Shenzhou 13

Article: Shenzhou 13 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ China successfully launches Shenzhou 13, carrying the second crew for the Tiangong space station. (Post)
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Crewed orbital launches are ITNR. And for a non-Western launch, this article is in good shape to go on the main page. 2A02:2F0E:DB04:D300:8C40:6AAF:4CDF:C428 (talk) 00:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerd Ruge

Article: Gerd Ruge (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit; Der Spiegel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: German journalist, author and filmmaker. He was considered a reporter legend. Grimes2 (talk) 15:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tropical Storm Kompasu

Article: Tropical Storm Kompasu (2021) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu kills 40 people in the Philippines and Hong Kong. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Severe Tropical Storm Kompasu causes severe agricultural damage and flooding in the Philippines, killing 39 people.
News source(s): AlJazeera, DW
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Caused nearly php3 billion in agricultural damage in the Philippines. Will likely be retired. Destroyer (Alternate account) 21:28, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2021 Indian Premier League Final

Article: 2021 Indian Premier League Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, Chennai Super Kings win the Indian Premier League. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cricket, the Indian Premier League concludes with Chennai Super Kings defeating Kolkata Knight Riders in the final.
News source(s): ESPNCricinfo
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: ITNR. Article requires some prose updates and should be ready soon. Prose added. Article looks good for homepage. Ktin (talk) 17:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Killing of David Amess

It's been posted, other such similar events can be discussed at a more appropriate venue. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 19:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Killing of David Amess (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ British Member of Parliament Sir David Amess (pictured) dies after being stabbed during a constituency meeting. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, The Guardian, CNN, AP, Reuters, BBC (2), Sydney Morning Herald
Credits:
Nominator's comments: The story is developing so the target article isn't quite up to date. I believe this is newsworthy regardless of the severity of his injuries. We did post the Congressional baseball shooting in 2017 for reference. -- Calidum 13:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Beirut clashes

No consensus to post. Stephen 03:58, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2021 Beirut clashes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Beirut, a series of violent clashes leave 6 people killed and 32 injured. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera NYT CNN
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Worst street violence in Lebanon since 2008. Notable enough. TootsieRollsAddict (talk to me pls I am lonely) 00:06, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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