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Hello, I'm working through the public policy wikiproject and I was thinking on adding a section discussing some of the criticism of evidence-based policy so to have a more neutral viewpoint, does any disagree with the idea? Jep1991 (talk) 22:08, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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re: "The lack of an agreed set of goals"

It seems the emphasis on the argument that their is a lack of agreed set of goals seems to be over-exaggerated. All political parties promise almost the exact same thing. They all promise to balance the budget, crack down on corruption, make government more effective, make people safe, allow people to provide for themselves and their families, and improve healthcare. Besides, we we shouldn't look to politicians as the source of what people need in their lives. We are trying to be an encyclopedia. A good encyclopedia would talk about science as it relates to societal goals. If you go to: wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_human_needs you will see that science sees fundamental human needs. Wouldn't evidence based public policy goals be to create a society to allows for humans to meet their own needs, or to create societies that help meet these need.

Shouldn't the article be more neutral? It makes it sound like evidence-based policy is impossible because humans can't agree about anything. This doesn't seem like a neutral explanation of our situation. We don't agree about everything, but this article seems to exaggerate how much we disagree.

It seems politics disagrees about how to get to human flourishing, but no one thinks that human flourishing involves us all living in the streets fighting like dogs to the death. No one disagrees that societies should try to protect their citizens from psychopaths. myclob (talk) 18:33, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

re: "Conceptually the term has been seen as an extension of the idea of evidence-based medicine to all areas of public policy."

I'm not sure that is true. The scientific movement has had problems with Church and State from the beginning, even before medicine was scientific. Those in Charge have always tried to cite evidence to support their actions, and why God chose them to be in Charge. It seems just as likely that people that have called for Evidence Based Policy have come from purely scientific fields, with no sort of specific medical backgrounds. I'm going to remove this wording, because their is no citation that explains how the founders of Evidence Based Policy had medical backgrounds. myclob (talk) 18:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

re: "Policy making is political because it involves choices between multiple competing social concerns; which is different to clinical decision making where there is agreement on the goal by all parties involved"

This is not true. Their are different goals within healthcare just as their are different goals within public policy. Each party inside of healthcare is motivated by different concerns. Doctors want to make the most money, while working the fewest hours. They want to reduce risk to lawsuits. They might want to extend life-span, or they might want to reduce suffering. Some doctors wanted to support assisted suicide. Their is no more agreement in the goals of medicine than their is agreement in the goals of economics. myclob (talk) 21:12, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

re: "Given the inability for a single piece or type of evidence to actually serve the realities of most policy decisions"

This is very poorly worded. You can't take specifics and apply them generally. It says a "single" piece of evidence doesn't "most" policy decisions... The sentence doesn't work...myclob (talk) 19:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

re: "Given the fact that evidence cannot itself dictate what is 'right' to do..."

This is by no means a universally accepted "fact". Evidence that some policies lead to pointless suffering, loss of safety, harm Fundamental_human_needs. All politicians promise to improve society. The vast majority promise to be more efficient. It is clear that pointless war is worse than peace between good nations. You can't take your philosophy 101 classes and say that they are facts. Some people say their is no such thing as facts. There are only things that are highly probable, and less probable. It is highly ironic that you say that it is a fact that there is no "right". The belief that their is "no right" is a belief about what is right, and it is self-contradictory statement. myclob (talk) 19:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

re: "History of Evidence-Based Medicine"

There is a History of Evidence-Based Medicine" on the main article for "Evidence-Based Medicine." I guess it is fine that we talk about Medicine on this article, in addition to linking to it, but do we really need to recount the history of evidenced based medicine on this website? Myclob (talk) 15:07, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Overseas Development Institute

Evidence-based development policy

The Overseas Development Institute

The Overseas Development Institute has pioneered RAPID Outcome Mapping Approach (ROMA) as a means to help aid donors and partners better transform research into policy initiatives.[1]

Why do we care about any of this? None of it is about Evidence-based policy!!!! Myclob (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RAPID Outcome Mapping Approach

ROMA approach takes these lessons into account has been field tested through more than 40 workshops and training courses worldwide. It is an eight-step approach for each of which the ODI has developed resources and policy tools to ensure each step is comprehensively addressed:

  1. Define a clear, overarching policy objective. (This is not evidence based, if you start with the policy objective first Myclob (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Map the policy context around that issue and identify the key factors that may influence the policy process. The RAPID framework provides a useful checklist of questions. (This is more how to get stuff done, if you already know what you want to do, not "how do we figure out what really is the best thing to do?" Myclob (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Identify the key influential stakeholders. RAPID’s Alignment, Interest and Influence Matrix (AIIM) can be used to map actors along three dimensions: the degree of alignment (i.e. agreement) with the proposed policy, their level of interest in the issue, and their ability to exert influence on the policy process.This is more how to get stuff done, if you already know what you want to do, not "how do we figure out what really is the best thing to do?"Myclob (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Develop a theory of change – identify the changes needed among them if they are to support the desired policy outcome. This is more how to get stuff done, if you already know what you want to do, not "how do we figure out what really is the best thing to do?"Myclob (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Develop a strategy to achieve the milestone changes in the process – Force Field Analysis is a flexible tool that can be used to further understand the forces supporting and opposing the desired policy change and suggest concrete responses. This is more how to get stuff done, if you already know what you want to do, not "how do we figure out what really is the best thing to do?"Myclob (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Ensure the engagement team has the competencies required to operationalize the strategy. This is more how to get stuff done, if you already know what you want to do, not "how do we figure out what really is the best thing to do?"Myclob (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Establish an action plan for meeting the desired policy objective – useful tools include the RAPID Information matrix, DFID’s log frame and IDRC’s Outcome Mapping Strategy Map among them. This is more how to get stuff done, if you already know what you want to do, not "how do we figure out what really is the best thing to do?"Myclob (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Develop a monitoring and learning system, not only to track progress, make any necessary adjustments and assess the effectiveness of the approach, but also to learn lessons for the future. This is more how to get stuff done, if you already know what you want to do, not "how do we figure out what really is the best thing to do?"Myclob (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An example of ROMA approach can be seen in the case of the Wildlife Enforcement Monitoring System (WEMS) Initiative[2] where a systematic approach of agreement has brought its implementation in Africa. Who cares?!!! This has nothing to do with the topic22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Results

This has resulted in:[1]

  1. Over 50 case studies on successful evidence-based policy engagement have been compiled, a network What? Someone copied and pasted and forgot to copy some stuff, because this doesn't even make any sense!' Also, Who cares?!!! This has nothing to do with the topic22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  2. Development and facilitation of the evidence-based policy in Development Network (ebpdn), which links more than 20 institutional partners and thousands of practitioners working on evidence-based policy processes. This is the very first thing that mentions anything about evidence based policy, but it doesn't fit into context at all. I guess I will bring it back, under "Evidence-based policy Initiates from Non-government Organizations"22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  3. Creating an array of practical toolkits designed with civil society organisations, researchers and progressive policymakers in mind. For example, at the recent Tokyo Conference on Combating Wildlife crime, United Nations University and ESRI presented the first case of evidence-based policy making maps on enforcement and compliance of CITES convention.[3] Who cares?!!! This has nothing to do with the topic22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  4. Direct support to civil society organizations (CSOs) to provide training in policy influencing and strategic communication. Who cares?!!! This has nothing to do with the topic22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  5. Strengthening the capacity for the UK Department for International Development (DFID) to influence other actors. Who cares?!!! This has nothing to do with the topic22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Key lessons

Six key lessons have been developed, which are:

  1. Policy processes are complex and rarely linear or logical and simply presenting information to policy-makers and expecting them to act upon it is very unlikely to work. Policy processes are not purely linear as they have various stages that each take varying lengths of time to complete and may, in fact, be conducted simultaneously. Strategies must be fluid. This might be true, but it doesn't matter that it came from the ODI. We might be able to put this in a new section called "need for EBD" or something...22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  2. Policy is often only weakly informed by research-based evidence due to information gaps, secrecy, the need for speedy responses, political expediency and the fact that policymakers are rarely scientists. This might be true, but it doesn't matter that it came from the ODI. We might be able to put this in a new section called "need for EBD" or something...22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  1. Research-based evidence can contribute to policies that have a dramatic impact on lives. Success stories quoted in the UK's Department for International Development's (DFID) new research strategy include a 22% reduction in neonatal mortality in Ghana as a result of helping women begin breastfeeding within one hour of giving birth and a 43% reduction in deaths among HIV positive children using a widely available antibiotic.
  1. The need for a holistic understanding of the context in which the policy is to be implemented. For this to be relevant, it has to be shown that it started with data, and this data was able to change policy22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
  1. (I would re-word this to say Without a formal system in place to push Evidence-based Those with data need additional skills to influence policy.[4] They need to be political fixers, able to understand the politics and identify the key players. They need to be good storytellers, able to synthesize simple compelling stories from the results of the research. They need to be good networkers to work effectively with all the other stakeholders, and they need to be good engineers, building a program that pulls all of this together.
  1. Policy entrepreneurs need clear intent – they need to really want to do it. Turning a researcher into a policy entrepreneur, or a research institute or department into a policy-focused think tank involves a fundamental re-orientation towards policy engagement rather than academic achievement; engaging much more with the policy community; developing a research agenda focusing on policy issues rather than academic interests; acquiring new skills or building multidisciplinary teams; establishing new internal systems and incentives; spending much more on communications; producing a different range of outputs; and working more in partnerships and networks.
I would change this to: "Turning a somone who finds data into someone who uses data, in our current system, involves a fundamental re-orientation towards policy engagement rather than academic achievement. This requires engaging much more with the policy community, developing a research agenda focusing on policy issues rather than academic interests, acquiring new skills or building multidisciplinary teams, establishing new internal systems and incentives, spending much more on communications, producing a different range of outputs, and working more in partnerships and networks."Myclob (talk) 22:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ a b Young, John and Mendizabal, Enrique (2009) Helping researchers become policy entrepreneurs: How to develop engagement strategies for evidence-based policy-making Archived 6 August 2010 at the Wayback Machine London: Overseas Development Institute
  2. ^ World Wildlife Day (3 March 2014). Evidence Based Policy-Making in Addressing Wildlife Crime Archived 17 July 2017 at the Wayback Machine. Wildlife Enforcement Monitoring System Initiative. Retrieved 10 September 2014.
  3. ^ Evidence Based Policy-Making in Addressing Wildlife Crime. United Nations University. Retrieved 10 September 2014.
  4. ^ "Policy Entrepreneurs: Their Activity Structure and Function in the Policy Process". Journal of Public Administration Research and Theory. 1991. doi:10.1093/oxfordjournals.jpart.a037081. hdl:10945/53405.
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