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January 12

January 12, 2022 (2022-01-12) (Wednesday)

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RD: Deon Lendore

Article: Deon Lendore (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News,Trinidad Express,CNN
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Competed for Trinidad and Tobago at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games. ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 15:44, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 11

January 11, 2022 (2022-01-11) (Tuesday)

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RD: Clyde Bellecourt

Article: Clyde Bellecourt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Star Tribune, MPR, US News
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a lot of updating -SusanLesch (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Gary Waldhorn

Article: Gary Waldhorn (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British actor; needs updating and citations adding 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:E462:BF8E:70DD:6A60 (talk) 23:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Query Who will chair the Dibley parish Church meetings now? Chrisclear (talk) 07:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 College Football Championship

Nominator's comments: This was posted 2020, is always one of the biggest sporting events of the year in the nation with ~40% of en.wiki readers, the college football coach is by far the highest-paid government employee of many states with some (including this game's loser) having $9.5 to $10 million/yr guaranteed salary contracts and many other arguments that don't seem to convince non-North Americans. Also since the Supreme Court made the federal sports gambling ban unconstitutional in 2018.4 (also not posted) legal online betting has started in states exceeding 1 UK population by now including the biggest market for the foreseeable future — New York. The NY betting rate instantly increased tens of thousands of percent due to going from shops in the "wilderness" only to BetRivers, Caesars William Hill, DraftKings & FanDuel apps @ 9 a.m 3 days ago and more will come later. Thus the college game is becoming an even bigger source of U.S. economic activity over time (One dude even lost $6.15 million picking the wrong winner (to hedge a promotion where if Georgia loses anyone who bought $3,000 of Houston mattress shop stuff from him will get it for free) Would a single bookmaker accepting his bets of $1.5 million & $1.2 mil on a slight underdog without moving the odds much be a busy market by UK standards?) Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose This is not an ITNR and should not be. The international impact and interest is very low and it doesn't seem to be the most notorious sporting event in the USA if we compare it with the Super Bowl or the NBA, which are ITNR and rightly so. As Masem said two years ago, "college footage is equivalent to minor league/amateur sports, which we should not post unless it is like the Boat Race, the most significant event in that sport". Nor do I think that the economic value of it is decisive, as it's something that interests only college football fans (and that's fine). _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 21:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nonsense. There's no limit to how many events can be posted. The NCAA college basketball tournament is on ITN/R even though it is (1) amateur, and (2) considered less than the NBA Finals or FIBA championship. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Per WP:ITN/C (above): Please do not ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. This applies to a high percentage of the content we post and is unproductive.—Bagumba (talk) 23:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major event, top annual event in college football, would increase us from one (1) American football item in a year to two (2), so not onerous or overbearing in this way. It's in the news, covered by all the top sources, and we have a quality article. A lot of people here just don't like it. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Every word of your comment is demonstratably incorrect. 331dot (talk) 00:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously not. Not only is it a second-level competition, it is still an amateur school sport. 2A00:23C7:2B86:9800:C149:7535:6073:F180 (talk) 12:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The first hatnote in the college football article states "This article is about gridiron football played at an amateur level in the United States". Is the hatnote incorrect in stating that this is an amateur competition? Chrisclear (talk) 07:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Could be subtle trolling? It's only amateur cause the players would be banned for life if they took any money or free stuff for playing. The Supreme Court has now allowed 1 laptop, free tutors just for them and other things that can help their education. Some need tutoring cause colleges care little to nothing about your pre-college academics if you want to play football or basketball with them and your football skill would improve the team. They'll even give like 50 players an (almost) full football scholarship (free tuition+room and board) regardless of how much the player can afford to pay. It is a surviving relic from the time when amateurism in sport was more widely regarded and even the best Olympic champions could be and were banned for life for having the nerve to play after making money from sport. 15:31, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
There's 8 college football stadiums that are only exceeded in size by a soccer/track and field/mass games stadium in North Korea and 1 from Indian cricket. All 4 sports have bigger fields than gridiron too which means a 100K+ gridiron stadium has to be taller and thus harder to build for the same distance to the nosebleed section. And there's only ~half a dozen home games a year. The coaches only make a little less than the top league coaches, Georgia's coach makes $7 million a year and $7m isn't even in the top 3rd of his conference. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 00:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This year's game drew an estimated 22+ million TV viewers.[1] For context, the recent ITNR darts promotion claimed 2M viewers in the UK and Netherlands. Comments that this game is "limited status", much like The Boat Race, will often depend on whether the !voter likes it or not, which is likely dependent on their locale.—Bagumba (talk) 23:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The Boat Race isn't suitable for ITN either. The PDC item was at least a world championship, which this isn't. Modest Genius talk 12:50, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support this is a good quality article on an event that gets a lot of atttention. With the Super Bowl the only other American football story likely to be posted, I don't think two per year is excessive. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:01, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality the team list is unsourced, the match summary has one or two sources per paragraph which doesn't seem like enough. And the TV broadcast sections in the infobox are not verified anywhere. And the teams season summary is confusing to a regular reader because it's filled with unexplained specific terminology, and has peacock phrases like escaped an upset bid and suffered their first and only setback. All in all, not good enough article for a non-specialist reader to understand. Although I fully exprcr this to get posted during the European night time based mostly on American votes, and ignoring the quality issues.... Joseph2302 (talk) 00:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I highly doubt that. This is an annual timesink that (with the exception of 2020) usually gets closed after about three days of arguing as "no consensus." Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I will comment that on quality, the article is way overly detailed, particularly on the season for both teams, and the recap (its supposed to be a recap, not play by play; must of that seems ripe for a box score table). Thus will help eliminate some of the slang and peacock terms. --Masem (t) 00:28, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the recap looks like a live blog sourced to primary source play-by-play link. Should rely on secondary sources for highlights.—Bagumba (talk) 06:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major sport, detailed article, big game, fine time, new champs. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:20, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose subnational competition. Banedon (talk) 03:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Almost like Oxford and Cambridge students rowing? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 03:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
!!!!!!BOAT RACE KLAXON!!!!!!! Banedon (talk) 04:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose 2nd tier championship and therefore not sufficiently notable. The wall of text (with its poor grammar and syntax) describing the economic effects of the sport are interesting, but do not make the competition any more notable. They just reiterate that the sport is played in a high-income country with a high population. I am guessing that the use of three non-American sources is possibly an attempt to suggest that this is "news" outside the US. However a mere cursory glance shows that the "UK" article is copied from AP wire, and the "Australian" article was written by an American, for an American audience, and then syndicated across all country-specific versions of Yahoo Sports. The French article link does not work. Chrisclear (talk) 07:14, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The French link needs the space near the beginning removed and possibly also a www. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:39, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All I read is a very long and drawn out WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Maybe try to start a real discussion? Thechased (talk) 07:25, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your simplistic application of the "IDONTLIKEIT" label is both incorrect and unfortunate. As for a "real discussion" - it's in the sentences I wrote. Chrisclear (talk) 07:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a second-tier championship. Division II would be, this is little different from NFL football with larger audiences. 331dot (talk) 11:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
From the college football article: "Therefore, college football is generally considered to be the second tier of American football in the United States and Canadian football in Canada; one step ahead of high school competition, and one step below professional competition." (My emphasis added). The first hatnote in the college football article states "This article is about gridiron football played at an amateur level in the United States". Is the hatnote correct in stating that this is an amateur competition? Furthermore, is it correct to state that the competitors in a/this College Football Playoff are limited to those that are, as the name suggests, college students? If I am correct on either or both counts (college students only, amateur competition), then I would disagree with your assertion that it is "little different" from NFL football. Chrisclear (talk) 12:11, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That it is amateur(which has been litigated in the US courts and is actually debatable) and involves college students is immaterial. College football draws larger crowds, larger TV audiences, and has larger stadiums than the NFL(at Division I, which this is). In essence, this is merely a different league, not a lower level league. What matters is how reliable sources cover this. 331dot (talk) 12:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To me, logic would dictate that if it is an amateur (or quasi amateur) competition, then the pool of possible players is almost certain to be of lower quality than a professional league. Likewise, if the pool of possible players is limited to college students, then again, the skill level will be lower than a league with no such restrictions. As for crowd size, TV audience and stadium size, these reflect popularity, as opposed to encyclopaedic notability. Chrisclear (talk) 12:32, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose lower-tier sports competition. Sports, music competitions/personalities should be judged on merit not on salaries etc, else any B/C-list pop musician will trump the best classical virtuosos and sports stars with celebrity value such as David Beckham will trump players with better competitive impact simply because the 'charismatic' players can sell more shirts/get more sponsors. Note also that the Arab and Chinese football leagues also pay similar or higher than European leagues, which does not make the quality the same or better. In fact, the Arab and Chinese leagues are worse than 2nd division European domestic leagues that are obviously not going to be posted. Bumbubookworm (talk) 07:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Strawman argument: college football players are not paid a salary from their schools.—Bagumba (talk) 08:26, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Don't put words into my mouth. I know that. Only insular morons wouldn't. I was responding to the arguments of your like-minded compatriots who were citing the coaches' salary and other non-sporting merit metrics as a reason to post Bumbubookworm (talk) 09:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • This is not a low-tier competition when it draws larger audiences and has bigger stadiums than the top professional league. 331dot (talk) 11:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • The EFL Championship play-off Final draws larger audiences than any match played in the Premier League, but it's still a match in the second tier of English football (for instance, the 2019 EFL Championship play-off Final was attended by 85,826 spectators, whereas the match with the highest attendance in the entire 2018–19 Premier League season had 81,332 spectators). Furthermore, note that EFL Championship is a professional league in a much more popular sport.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
          • I am not familiar with the British tiering system but what you describe seems akin to the difference between Major League Baseball and Minor League Baseball in the US.(The NFL does not really have a minor league system.) This is not like that. College football is a different league, not a lower league. College football has tiers based on university size and other factors(Division I, Division II, and Division III). This game is part of Division I, the top level of college football. 331dot (talk) 14:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
            • US and Canadian sports are built like the ill-fated European Super League. Sports leagues are not connected to each other. You can argue college football is a totally different "code" of gridiron vs. professional American football (same can be argued to college basketball and professional basketball in the US, plus leagues that follow the FIBA set of rules almost everywhere else), so you can argue further that Division I FBS is the top competition of the gridiron code known as college football. Premier League and EFL have always been played in the same FIFA set of rules and are actually connected to each other via promotion and relegation. Gridiron does share that concept. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:56, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Much has been said in the past about why this shouldn't be posted (amateur sport, low-tier competition, low impact, lowering standard for similar sport events etc.) and, after ten years of debating, there are no signs that something has drastically changed. To those griping about why The Boat Race is an ITNR item, please go to the talk page and demand it be delisted if you think this is comparable to it. To those hanging on to the wide coverage, Novak Djokovic's entry to Australia is by far the main story (not only sport-related) in the world but we haven't even considered it, which clearly implies that news coverage doesn't always make a strong case for a story to be posted.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose for the same reasons as every other year. This is an amateur competition open only to students at a handful of universities, isn't the highest level of the sport, is partly decided by a selection panel rather than performance on the field etc. This has been discussed to death over the years. I understand that many Americans watch the event, but that isn't enough. I have consistently opposed any and all student sports items, in any sport or country, and will continue to do so. Modest Genius talk 12:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We have broken down this barrier by adding the basketball tournament to ITNR. I don't see why being a student should matter. The US Supreme Court has found that student athletes are exploited and prevented from being compensated fairly. Universities use their sports programs to generate revenue just as any NFL Team does. 331dot (talk) 14:16, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have consistently opposed NCAA basketball on the same grounds, including in the ITNR discussion you link below. I don't see how the court ruling or profit motives are at all relevant to the discussion here. Modest Genius talk 15:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's relevant because it means these players are not simple amateurs who play for the love of the sport. They are as invested as any "professional" player. 331dot (talk) 15:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm trying to uphold our mission here. I don't think what you say is the case, but what if it was? What is wrong with that? We have already broken down the "amateur" barrier. 331dot (talk) 15:08, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand "hyped" as an argument. Everything we post is "hyped". 331dot (talk) 15:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rankings This event is all over the top read articles list currently. The article rankings for yesterday include:
2 Stetson Bennett
5 Kirby Smart
6 Nick Saban
12 Georgia Bulldogs football
13 Bryce Young
14 College Football Playoff National Championship
32 Alabama Crimson Tide football
41 2021 College Football Playoff National Championship
47 College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS
58 2022 College Football Playoff National Championship
It's interesting that the nominated article is so far down the list.
Andrew🐉(talk) 15:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Andrew Davidson As you should be aware by now, ITN is not a most-viewed article list. If you would like to eliminate ITN and replace it with a most-read article list, please propose that. 331dot (talk) 15:47, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but we are supposed to help people find articles they are already looking for, and clearly they are having trouble getting there. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:51, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Gaelic Athletic Association items that have been at WP:ITNR would love to talk about amateurism. Howard the Duck (talk) 15:45, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Every single argument used to oppose this equally applies to events that are on ITN/R. We post many events that are 2nd tier (Japan Series, La Liga), amateur (Olympics, NCAA Basketball), have restricted participants (The Ashes, The Boat Race) or are of local or limited interest (PDC, Gaelic Football). Obviously, it's not that big of a deal if any of these (or CFP) gets posted or not. The issue for me is that we have guidelines and precedent that should be respected. Every so often, we throw them out the window and decide on pure sui generis, and this always leads to discontent and fights. The Betty White situation and Carrie Fisher before her are examples of this. People decide how they will !vote and then cherry-pick the evidence that supports their argument. There's no fix for this; like death blurbs, CFP is a blind spot of this project. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Weak oppose. It is my understanding that we tend to post sporting events at the top level of their field only. I don't believe "amateur" status matters (GAA fan here) but if we're making that comparison, there is a difference between posting the top level finals in football/hurling versus posting the Hogan Cup finals. I'm not a gridiron fan and may be missing some nuance as a result but this seems to be clearly a tier below the Super Bowl, no? I wouldn't be in favour of posting the Europa League, Rugby Europe International Championships, etc and this seems to fall under the same remit. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 15:53, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • We can make the same comparison if GAA is also involved with organizing or sanctioning the Hogan Cup (I didn't bother to check, sorry). For what it's worth, the NCAA doesn't even sanction CFB, and the NFL more so isn't even connected in anyway with CFB. You can make the argument that NFL football and college football are different codes of gridiron, with CFB as the highest level of competition for the latter. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • The Hogan Cup is a GAA competition, yes; it's a schools and colleges level competition as opposed to the senior county level one. I certainly don't know enough about gridiron to make or refute any argument about "different codes" but, earnestly, is this bigger than the Super Bowl? ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 16:04, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ernest Shonekan

Article: Ernest Shonekan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Channels Television
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former (interim) head of Nigerian Government – Ammarpad (talk) 13:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support  – citations have been added. Princess of Ara 19:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

President of European Parliament

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Article: President of the European Parliament (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Roberta Metsola becomes the first President of the European Parliament from Malta following the death of David Sassoli at the age of 65. (Post)
News source(s): Politico, BBC, France24, dpa
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A RD nom has been made however no ITN nom, I think an ITN nom of mentioning Roberta becoming the first Maltese president of the European parliament and the mention of David Sassoli is needed and is a suitable nomination. Both articles are suitable for a news nom. BastianMAT (talk) 09:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment target article needs to be updated for this change of leader. And lots of the article needs sourcing too e.g. none of the presidents actually have sources for them (despite the table having a column for references). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:53, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Should be better now for all articles, I def think this is a very suitable nomination as its an important role, important death and notable background being the first from Malta. BastianMAT (talk) 12:01, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD only not too significant as death of the Queen Elizabeth II (morbid?), but still much worthly to be posted giving she was the first EP president from Malta but her notability is not so significant as prominent head of government/state. 125.167.57.110 (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The comparison you make with Elizabeth II doesn't make much sense, to tell the truth. Sassoli's death is not the main subject of this nomination, and it shouldn't be. The debate here is whether the nomination of a new EP president should be on the Main Page. If it succeeds, it should obviously mention the death of the one who has been president until today, as it's the reason for the change in the leadership of this institution. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 13:05, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As a side note, the main story here would be that Sassoli died in office. But it was posted as RD already. --Tone 18:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • None of the "three presidencies" of the European Union is ceremonial in nature. Perhaps in EP president’s international activities, but its function is the same as that of any Speaker of any legislative assembly. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 08:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ahmet Yılmaz Çalık

Article: Ahmet Yılmaz Çalık (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DailySabah
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Turkish national team and Konyaspor player, 27 years old, died in a tragic car crash. Article needs some work. BastianMAT (talk) 08:49, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First pig to human heart transplant

Articles: heart transplantation (talk · history · tag) and xenotransplantation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The first human heart transplant from a pig is performed. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The first pig to human heart transplant is performed.
News source(s): BBC; Reuters; NYT
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: This is described as a groundbreaking breakthrough. There are some potential pictures on Commons. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:21, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are they bloody? We don't need that. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 21:31, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: David Sassoli

Article: David Sassoli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DW France 24 Politico, BBC, dpa
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: incumbent president of the european parliament. died of a "serious complication due to a dysfunction of the immune system". article needs some work. dying (talk) 05:06, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 10

January 10, 2022 (2022-01-10) (Monday)

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RD: Deon Lendore

Article: Deon Lendore (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, World Athletics
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Needs some text expansion, as currently a stub Joseph2302 (talk) 11:59, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chang'e 5's detection of water on moon

Article: Chang'e 5 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Lunar samples brought back for analysis on earth by Chang'e 5 show evidence of water on the moon. (Post)
News source(s): Phys.org, Science Advances peer reviewed article
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: As noted by the news stories on this, this is the first on-site detection of evidence of water (the presence of hydroxyl molecules) on the moon. There have been prior from-orbit spectra detection of likely water, but this is from the samples that Chang'e-5 brought back to earth to study. Masem (t) 01:58, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Taskeen Manerwal

Article: Taskeen Manerwal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DAWN, Daily Pakistan
Credits:

Article updated
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 15:12, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • With 1999 characters of readable prose, this wikibio is a bit short but its length is still passable (Start-class). There seems to be enough footnotes. AGF'd all non-English refs. This wikibio is READY for RD to me. --PFHLai (talk) 05:10, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Falkenburg

Article: Bob Falkenburg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (January 10); died on January 6 (i.e. provable gap of at least two days). —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Don Maynard

Article: Don Maynard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NJ.com, NYT, ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 19:42, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Pulled) RD: Robert Durst

Article: Robert Durst (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Past few weeks have been a famous name killer. Article looks solid. Davey2116 (talk) 18:41, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: James Mtume

Article: James Mtume (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Black America Web New York Post
Credits:

Article updated
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 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 16:40, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Please remove me as an updater, all I did was fix the broken infobox and remove a low quality source, I was not involved with any of the content on the page. In terms of this RD candidate, I am currently Neutral, the page is nowhere near ready for RD, especially when it comes to references. Doc StrangeMailboxLogbook 16:47, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ditto here. My edits were very minor, and the article does need more work. Ghmyrtle (talk) 16:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 9

January 9, 2022 (2022-01-09) (Sunday)

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RD: Bob Saget

Article: Bob Saget (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Times Reuters, AP, DW
Credits:

Article updated
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 JosHeartTransplant (talk) 19:44, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added a short personal life section. Please check out the citations. Mooonswimmer 16:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
CN tags you out for items that were already cited in either the prose or the tables. It’s disingenuous to call his HIMYM and Fuller House roles uncited. It feels like a deliberate attempt to make it look unready. Honestly I think the career section needs rebalancing. The post-AFV stuff covers 20 years while the section with AFV is considerably smaller covering 14 years--CreecregofLife (talk) 05:42, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"disingenuous"? It is not "a deliberate attempt to make it look unready," but a deliberate attempt to highlight missing items. It doesn't look ready without the footnotes in the right spots. --PFHLai (talk) 06:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support only if... - The article, especially the subsection of his career between 2001 until his death, is written like a very simplified summary rather than an article. Could be edited to make it much, much more readable. -PenangLion (talk) 14:43, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Bronx apartment fire

Article: 2022 Bronx apartment fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire in The Bronx, New York City, kills at least 19 people. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In the United States, two fires four days apart, one in The Bronx, and another in Philadelphia, kill a combined total of at least 31 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ An apartment building fire in New York City kills at least 19 people.
News source(s): NBC New York New York Times, CNN, Washington Post, The Guardian, The Independent, BBC, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Major fire in New York City. Death toll growing, might be deadliest fire disaster in the city's recent history. Mooonswimmer 20:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've proposed an alt blurb with just NYC. 331dot (talk) 21:28, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 8

January 8, 2022 (2022-01-08) (Saturday)

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RD: Michael Parks (reporter)

Article: Michael Parks (reporter) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Los Angeles Times; Associated Press; University of Southern California
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 13:27, 11 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Needs attention) Capitólio rock collapse

Article: Capitólio rock collapse (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A rockfall at Furnas Lake in Capitólio, Brazil, kills at least 10 people. (Post)
News source(s): BBC G1
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Unusual disaster in Brazil. Death toll growing. ArionEstar (talk) 05:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not necessarily, although this discussion and the article would be a lot longer had it happened in the US. Jim Michael (talk) 17:27, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or the UK. – Sca (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
With just seven fatals, that's probably so. I was reacting, maybe excessively, to a faint sniff of anti-American bias. – Sca (talk) 23:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support -- it is receiving coverage because of how unlucky the victims were to be right underneath the rockfall, but I am not sure if that alone warrants a blurb. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 21:16, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment -- Thank you for working on this article. Usually we post tragedies with higher numbers of casualties. This one is very marginal, but maybe it could be a WP:DYK. My reservation is that DYKs often have humorous hooks, but this article obviously is not for comedy. Jehochman Talk 02:55, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - Unusual incident, but it doesn't feel ITN-worthy to me. The severity is limited (10 died), the disaster isn't a defining event in the country or region (a tragic disaster, but not an impactful one). It's more of a bizarre tragedy suited for DYK instead (like how previous contributors have noted). If the situation worsens however (like an increased death toll), I would give my support, though I still have my doubts. (PenangLion (talk) 07:44, 10 January 2022 (UTC))[reply]
  • Take it to DYK. We are likely not getting a consensus to post but the article meets all the requirements for DYK. --Tone 08:19, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this would be suitable for DYK & its hook could be worded in a serious way. Jim Michael (talk) 10:52, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mike Gore (physicist)

Article: Mike Gore (physicist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC News; The Canberra Times
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Lourdes Castro

Article: Lourdes Castro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:

Article updated
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 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 22:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Robert Hughes

Article: Robert Hughes, Baron Hughes of Woodside (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 22:23, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Hiranmay Sen Gupta

Article: Hiranmay Sen Gupta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Financial Express (Bangladesh)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Bangladeshi nuclear physicist. Article is a tad short, but, meets very basic hygiene expectations. Rater.js classifies the article as a start class biography. Ktin (talk) 20:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Murree snowstorm

Article: 2022 Murree snowstorm (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 22 people are killed by heavy snowfall in Murree, Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 22 tourists freeze to death in vehicles in Murree, Pakistan.
News source(s): Guardian, NY Times, DW, Sky News BBC, AP
Credits:

Nominator's comments: The article needs to be updated. Ainty Painty (talk) 16:06, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's significantly better now. Jim Michael (talk) 10:49, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 7

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(Posted) RD: Amanda Asay

Article: Amanda Asay (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News / Canadian Press; The Prince George Citizen; Nelson Star
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 23:21, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Eberhard Zeidler

Article: Eberhard Zeidler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News; Toronto Star; CTV News / Canadian Press
Credits:

Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 01:03, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Francisco Laína

Article: Francisco Laína (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): El País RTVE
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Spanish politician. As Director of State Security, he headed the civilian provisional government when the government of Adolfo Suárez was sequestered (alongside lawmakers and journalists) in the Congress of Deputies during the 1981 coup d'état. I just created his article and I think it's ready: deep coverage of his career and sourced. Copyediting is needed. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: José Évrard

Article: José Évrard (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): JPOST
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Article updated
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 Count Iblis (talk) 18:32, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gerson da Cunha

Article: Gerson da Cunha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, Hindustan Times
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Indian advertising professional. Basic edits done. Ktin (talk) 03:59, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Dromey

Article: Jack Dromey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British Labour Party politician and trade unionist. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Erledigt -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:28, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I have added some sources. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Any more? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:43, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This looks ready to be posted. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lani Guinier

Article: Lani Guinier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Boston Globe
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Article is in fairly good shape but honors section needs verifying. Innisfree987 (talk) 20:41, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Sidney Poitier

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Article: Sidney Poitier (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Bahamanian-American actor Sidney Poitier (pictured) dies at the age of 94. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sidney Poitier (pictured), the first black actor to win the Academy Award for Best Actor, dies at the age of 94.
News source(s): Vanity, The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Very notable actor, article needs quite a bit of work. Mooonswimmer 15:44, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To add, it does look like the long-form obits coming out should help establish this legacy. --Masem (t) 16:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb when ready One of the most important actors who has ever lived, and his death is big news. If you want to talk "transformative in their field", that's Sidney Poitier. I do agree with Masem above who noted that the article isn't there yet and doesn't quite state his importance in a sufficient manner. -- Kicking222 (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality but support blurb in principle if fixed. The article is woefully undersourced, and fails to make clear his importance, which is not helped by the fact that all his awards and honours are listed in a separate page, with no summary on the article. Therefore, the awards and honours doesn't even mention that He became the first Black actor to win the Academy Award for Best Actor for Lilies of the Field (1963). He also received a Grammy Award, two Golden Globe Awards and a British Academy Film Award. Which would be the basis for blurbing this. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:19, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just being frequently awarded would not be sufficient for a blurb. Poitier has a lot more than just a distinguished acting career that makes him a reasonable blurb, but the fact he helped break the race barrier for Hollywood, which needs to be emphasized more. --Masem (t) 16:29, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb when ready Most important actor and certainly (without debate) top of his field. Article needs work though. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb as he was an iconic actor and a household name.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 16:22, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb a highly acclaimed and renowned actor, first African-American winner of a Oscar for best actor.--TheDutchViewer (talk) 16:46, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb absolutely. What he accomplished is most certainly a sui generis example of what RD blurbs were made for.--WaltCip-(talk) 16:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And FYI, at 16:47 GMT, the U.K. should be well and truly awake to weigh in on this discussion. --WaltCip-(talk) 16:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think that the only remaining question is if the groundbreaking aspect is sufficiently covered. There is almost no opposition to a blurb(one oppose was for quality). 331dot (talk) 18:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Old Man Dies If this were 1964 and the blurb was about his Oscar, that'd be a story. Same as if this were 1983 and the blurb was about Atlas and Johnson's big step forward. But it's 2022, and the blurb is 100% about ripe old age. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:52, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is your argument that he was not transformative in his field? 331dot (talk) 18:54, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, I'd have said so. It's that the blurb is about him dying at 94. Are you saying Rocky Johnson wasn't transformative? InedibleHulk (talk) 19:00, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize, but it wasn't clear to me that an issue with the blurb was being raised. When I wrote it, I used the standard format that we typically do here as a starting point, at least.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 331dot (talk • contribs)
No worries, this is my standard objection to that automatically boring formula, alt's slightly better (still opposed, though). InedibleHulk (talk) 19:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was wondering when IH would hit us with the old “old man dies” and I’m glad you once again do not disappoint. Calidum 23:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Big picture of this great actor on the frontpage of a major Czech daily newspaper I bought this Saturday. He was well known (and admired) even behind the Iron Curtain.Pavlor (talk) 09:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Varoon2542 If you would like to see more non-Americans posted, please nominate them. We can only consider what is nominated. Instead of suppressing stories from any particular country, which is reverse-bias, the way to see more postings is to work to get things you want to see posted, posted. 331dot (talk) 09:58, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per instructions above: Please do not ... oppose an item because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one.—Bagumba (talk) 15:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But it's the weight of American items. Similarly, RD is almost entirely people from the Anglosphere. We currently have 2 blurbs and 6 RD names, all from the English-speaking world (if you include India). If Mel Brooks and Dick Van Dyke go soon, the entire news section will be about geriatric American entertainers. The 5 main Anglosphere nations (US, UK, Can, NZ, Aus) are only 6% of the world's people, we should try and make it so that they only get say, maximum 20% of the news. I could submit Brazilian and Chinese news all day but that's unlikely to make any real difference. Surely discussing the matter on this page is the first step towards fixing it? Sheila1988 (talk) 20:04, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Re: "americano-centrism" and "American items", Poitier was raised in the Bahamas by Bahamian parents, and was for ten years the Bahamian ambassador to Japan. His acting awards include six British Academy Film Awards nominations, and two German film festival awards. BD2412 T 02:17, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If we had not posted Betty White (who is nowhere close to the same level of "major figure" as Poitier, I doubt we've people questioning this one. Hence why I think we need to be looking for higher bars to demonstrate "major figure" and avoid blurbs that are based on popularity or the like. --Masem (t) 02:27, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting because I have also seen it argued that the bar for a death blurb is too high, not too low.(I don't have it handy) 331dot (talk) 02:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sheila1988 (ec) Please do nominate articles about events from China and Brazil, if they are indeed in the news. We can only consider what is nominated. That's the way to fix it. Artificially suppressing stories from any particular country is just reverse bias. RD postings are easier than a regular ITN posting; to post to RD all that is required is that the subject have an article that is updated with information on their death. We can't control when people die(obviously). Sometimes it just happens that we get a spat of deaths from a particular area. It also happens that people choose to improve articles about people that they notice have passed in the news- this we can control, and I invite you to do so. 331dot (talk) 02:28, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ongoing/Update blurb 2022 Kazakh protests

Article: 2022 Kazakh protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President of Kazakhstan Kassym-Jomart Tokayev orders Kazakh military forces to shoot without warning at the protesters (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 40 people are killed during country-wide protests in Kazakhstan.
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, Al Jazeera, DW, ApNews, France24,CNN
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: A moving story and development. An very notable and concerning update to the blurb with all RS reporting it, ’shoot to kill orders’ to put down uprising. [3] The president of Kazakhstan claims he has regained control over the country, he has thanked Russia and he has ordered the military to shoot at protestors without warning. Very notable, article is in good condition and this might signal the end of protests with this announcement and Russian military deployed. On the otherhand, a massacare could also happen now as dozens have already been killed and arrested and the military is now free to fire. Definitely the most notable and most concerning update since the protests started. BastianMAT (talk) 11:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think the blurb needs an udate. Some "protests against a sharp increase in fuel prices" are one thing, but at least 40 dead, a huge influx of Russian troops and a "shoot-to-kill" policy are another. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:17, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 6

January 6, 2022 (2022-01-06) (Thursday)

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(Posted) Zamfara massacres

Article: 2022 Zamfara massacres (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Bandits in Nigeria kill over 200 people during a three-day campaign. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over 200 civilians in Nigeria's Zamfara State are massacred in a series of attacks by bandits.
Alternative blurb III: ​ A three-day-long series of massacres in Nigeria leaves hundreds of people dead and several villages torched.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ A series of massacres by bandits leaves more than two hundred people dead in Zamfara State, Nigeria.
News source(s): Al Jazeera Voice of America Deutsche Welle Reuters The Guardian France24
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Nominator's comments: This is a major event that could very well impact the near future, and one of the first massacres this year. It is also an important moment in the Nigerian bandit conflict. Please note that the attacks lasted for more than one day. Dunutubble (talk) 17:30, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support because it's certainly notable enough & the article easily good enough. A triple-digit death toll and thousands have been displaced. Jim Michael (talk) 17:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: F. Sionil José

Article: F. Sionil José (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Straits Times, The New York Times, Rappler
Credits:

Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Very notable Filipino writer. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 03:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Peter Bogdanovich

Article: Peter Bogdanovich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): THR, NYT, DW
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The article is currently missing a lot of citations at the moment, but I've noticed there's work being done to clean up the article, so this nom is in anticipation of that work being completed at some point. Context on the subject: influential American director (What's Up, Doc?, Paper Moon) and noted film historian and critic. ~Cheers, TenTonParasol 02:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Not ready per nom. Referencing is quite poor and will require dramatic improvement before we can post this. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:20, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb Influential filmmaker. As a director, was "A leading voice of ’70s Hollywood"[1]. He is called "legendary"[2][3][4], iconic[5], "fearless genius of cinema"[6] and "champion of cinema"[7]. Also was known for his appearances as an actor. Numerous tributes accross film industry. He was also called legendary previously.[8] Kirill C1 (talk) 16:43, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is orange-tagged. Also, oppose blurb even if sourcing is fixed, as no evidence he's as transformative as the people who get blurbed on ITN. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:47, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Scorcese and Coppola elaborate on his influence [9]. He " inspired a new generation of filmmakers, from Wes Anderson to Noah Baumbach" [10]. "Influential director"(The Times)[11]. He was everyone in film industry, from director, auteur, writer, actor, to film critic and film scholar("has an equally storied legacy working as a film critic, historian and speaker", The Wrap)[12]. "He served as a surrogate film professor for a generation"(THR)[13] And he was nominated for Academy Awards. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:04, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Arguably this is all pointing to being influential (which numerous directors and actors tend to be), but not transformative in establishing new approaches or the like. Plus the article is lacking any detailed explanation that would help to convince on this point. --Masem (t) 17:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • I am struggling to grasp the difference between "legendary", "influential" and transformative. He inspired filmmakers. Here[14] is written more: "Peter Bogdanovich set the table for the Coen Brothers and Quentin Tarantino by pioneering an intriguing new approach to cinema: making movies about other movies". He was also "Pioneer Of New Hollywood"[15], "a key figure in the New Hollywood Movement of 1970s".[16] I think "pioneering" indicates that he was transformative figure. Kirill C1 (talk) 17:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
          • Sure, he was influential and so we can find many quotes to attest to that fact. But the same would hold for other film makers. Some objective evidence is provided by this list of the most critically acclaimed directors (https://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_top250directors.htm), and there he ranks "only" 180. So not in the same league as say Coppola, Hsiao-Hsien or Malick. 2A02:8109:9C80:2054:DC76:45E9:14A5:FE83 (talk) 18:06, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
            • Considering that website is not reliable source and that lots of filmakers on the list died, I am not sure what this url brings to the discussion. "But the same would hold for other film makers." - not many filmmakers were nominated for Academy Award and were listed along with "Dennis Hopper, Arthur Penn, Robert Altman, Hal Ashby"[17](see Peter Bogdanovich there). Kirill C1 (talk) 18:31, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
              • It's a reliable and objective source, certainly more so than cherry-picked statements. On academy awards, yes, he was nominated once and only once. Like many other filmmakers. In fact, some of these other filmmakers even WON the academy award ;-) And btw, the article you cite emphasizes six filmmakers as key filmmakers. Guess what - Bogdanovich is not one of them, and is merely mentioned as being part of a broader wave of filmmakers. 2A02:8109:9C80:2054:DC76:45E9:14A5:FE83 (talk) 19:57, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
                • A website named theyshootpictures.com which has 14 urls in Wikipedian articles is more reliable than The Guardian, Wrap, THR, Variety. The director is called legendary. See the full quote"Legendary director Peter Bogdanovich, who came to prominence amid the Hollywood Renaissance of the '70s, has died at the age of 82. He leaves behind an astonishing film legacy, with the likes of Paper Moon, Daisy Miller, and his Oscar-nominated hit The Last Picture Show having an immeasurable imprint on Hollywood history." And more:"...there's no doubt that Bogdanovich will be remembered as one of New Hollywood's most prominent pioneers...The passing of Bogdanovich feels like an epochal moment: one of the greats of Hollywood's most shining era, gone at a time which has never been more uncertain."[18]"An icon of “New Hollywood” of the 1960s and 1970s".[19] He was nominated for two Oscars, won BAFTA, Grammy, won at Venice Film Festival and San Sebastián International Film Festival, and was nominated for Palme d'Or and Golden Berlin Bear. So he had an illustrious career. Kirill C1 (talk) 20:10, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb. Come on, we seem to be dropping the ball a bit here. Blurbing is rare, not the norm, and is only reserved for truly transformative and unique figures.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:18, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • "the unique and extraordinary role Bogdanovich played"[20]. I would certainly describe writer-director who clearly had a reputation of auteur but also appeared on top-rated shows such as Sopranos, Simpsons and Good Wife and was also journalist and film scholar, inspiring many filmmakers[21] as unique. Kirill C1 (talk) 18:32, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Old man dies, no blurb Yeah I don't see why he warrants a blurb. Was not "transformative" at all in his field. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 18:33, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb Oh come on, this is getting a bit silly. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:34, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • OMD As silly for a white guy who made not-exactly-popular-but-familiar titles as it is for a black guy or Antonio Inoki. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:14, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Let's all forget about blurbing and focus the discussion here on article quality and readiness for use on MainPage. There are quite a few paragraphs with zero footnotes. There is an orange tag at the top of the wikipage asking for better sourcing. Can we have more refs, please? --PFHLai (talk) 14:17, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 5

January 5, 2022 (2022-01-05) (Wednesday)

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(Posted) RD: Neil Nongkynrih

Article: Neil Nongkynrih (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Pianist and founder of the 2010 India's Got Talent winning group. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 23:44, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lawrence Brooks

Article: Lawrence Brooks (American veteran) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ArmyTimes, AP
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oldest US Veteran of WWII, article looks decent, may need updating. DadOfTheYear2022 (talk) 22:22, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kim Mi-soo

Article: Kim Mi-soo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14], [15]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 ArsenalGhanaPartey (talk) 18:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Article is a stub. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:44, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose article is too short, and violates fair image usage, as we shouldn't have two fair use images on the article (doing so violates fair use, thus the article's images are a copyright violation). Joseph2302 (talk) 09:59, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • very weak support. Everything is referenced (indeed overly so in a couple of cases), and there are no images so that seems resolved. However it is short and would significantly benefit from expansion. Thryduulf (talk) 00:26, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Events described in future tense (funeral) have already happened. Updating is needed. Expansion there may help make the article a bit longer. Currently with 1737 characters (294 words) of readable prose, not much additional text is needed to make it a passable non-stub. --PFHLai (talk) 13:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Saleh Al-Luhaidan

Article: Saleh Al-Luhaidan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The National, Saudi Gazette, Al-Arabiya
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Ainty Painty (talk) 15:28, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sindhutai Sapkal

Article: Sindhutai Sapkal (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian social worker. Article should be updated soon. Ktin (talk) 01:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

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For the times when <ref></ref> tags are being used, here are their contents:

  1. ^ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-06/hollywood-reacts-to-the-death-of-peter-bogdanovich?utm_source=google&utm_medium=bd&cmpId=google
  2. ^ https://nypost.com/2022/01/06/peter-bogdanovich-last-picture-show-director-dead-at-82/
  3. ^ https://collider.com/peter-bogdanovich-dead-at-82/
  4. ^ https://decider.com/2022/01/06/peter-bogdanovich-dies-at-82/
  5. ^ https://variety.com/2022/film/obituaries-people-news/peter-bogdanovich-dead-dies-director-1235148166/
  6. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/jan/06/peter-bogdanovich-a-loving-cineaste-and-fearless-genius-of-cinema
  7. ^ https://www.thewrap.com/peter-bogdanovich-remembered-as-champion-of-cinema-marvelous-film-critic-and-author/
  8. ^ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/peter-bogdanovich-recalls-horrified-local-reaction-last-picture-show-1273842/
  9. ^ https://www.indiewire.com/2022/01/peter-bogdanovich-tributes-del-toro-coppola-1234689058/
  10. ^ https://www.euronews.com/culture/2022/01/06/wonderful-great-artist-famed-film-auteur-peter-bogdanovich-dead-at-82
  11. ^ https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/peter-bogdanovich-director-of-the-last-picture-show-dies-aged-82-wxn30g82t
  12. ^ https://www.thewrap.com/peter-bogdanovich-remembered-as-champion-of-cinema-marvelous-film-critic-and-author/
  13. ^ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/peter-bogdanovich-dead-last-picture-show-1235070769/
  14. ^ https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/01/an-exasperating-brilliant-filmmaker-who-changed-his-art-form/
  15. ^ https://screenrant.com/peter-bogdanovich-death-obituary/
  16. ^ https://www.screendaily.com/news/peter-bogdanovich-the-last-picture-show-director-dies-aged-82/5166387.article
  17. ^ https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/movie-brats-movie-era/
  18. ^ https://collider.com/peter-bogdanovich-dead-at-82/
  19. ^ https://www.avclub.com/r-i-p-peter-bogdanovich-1848315460
  20. ^ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/one-skinny-dipping-scene-proves-peter-bogdanovich-hollywoods/
  21. ^ https://www.thewrap.com/peter-bogdanovich-appreciation-critic-filmmaker-hollywood/
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