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Largest city of Israel

In the sidebar where it states that Jerusalem is the largest city, I think a note or something should be added that if East Jerusalem was excluded, Tel Aviv would be the largest city. This is mentioned in the Major urban areas that East Jerusalem has 573,330 inhabitants and Jerusalem (altogether) has 936,425 inhabitants. If East Jerusalem would be excluded then Jerusalem would have 363,095 inhabitants thus making Tel Aviv the largest city (460,613 inhabitants). Chxeese (talk) 17:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chxeese: In 1980, Israel passed the Jerusalem Law, which declared that "Jerusalem, complete and united, is the capital of Israel". Israeli claims the entire land of Jerusalem maybe thats why its included.[of Jerusalem] I think the previous editor considered only Israels Point of view forgetting, theres citizens of Palestine also living there. --LostCitrationHunter (talk) 09:09, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It would be a good idea to take a neutral point of view. Jerusalem, both east and west, is de facto an Israeli city, and we are dealing here with facts on the ground, not with theoretical situations. There is a Palestinian claim to parts of the city, and it is explained here and in other articles, but at the end of the day, we have to consider the reality. By the way, all residents of Jerusalem are 'permanent residents' of Israel, i.e. they can live and work wherever they want in Israel. Many Palestinian Arabs who live in Jerusalem do not have Israeli passports, but they still have the 'permanent resident' status. Perhaps some of them had the right to vote in the Palestinian elections, but this fact does not make Jerusalem a Palestinian city. 79.183.205.72 (talk) 10:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
De facto is not de jure, that's the reality. Not only is East Jerusalem occupied territory, all unilateral attempts to change the Status of Jerusalem are void, per UNSC vote.Selfstudier (talk) 11:16, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@79.183.205.72: Even if you are right in saying Israel de facto controls Jerusalem, but as Chxeese implied, the population of Jerusalem is higher than Tel Aviv only if you also consider the Palestinian population who do have neither Israeli citizenship nor residency.--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 12:32, 13 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is this an article about Israel or a lecture about international politics? People who land on this article want to learn about Israel as it is. If they wish to learn about the role of the UN in the Arab-Israeli conflict or about political views regarding Jerusalem, they will obviously search different articles or different websites altogether. 79.183.205.72 (talk) 13:37, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
And if they want a lesson in propaganda they can go visit the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs website, much better quality of propaganda there than here.Selfstudier (talk) 13:41, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
So basically, your view of the matter is the truth, and anything else is a propaganda? I thought our goal was to be neutral, or was I wrong? 79.183.205.72 (talk) 13:45, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral = per reliable sources, not what you think it means.Selfstudier (talk) 13:47, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
A UNSC resolution is a reliable source about the UNSC's opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't need a UNSC resolution to know whether the sky is blue, and I don't need such a resolution to know who runs Jerusalem. And besides, the US administration pubished a different view about Jerusalem. Why is it less important? When you look for reliable sources, you have to consider ALL available sources, not just those who state your favoured opinion. 79.183.205.72 (talk) 13:57, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Grandmother, eggs, etc.Selfstudier (talk) 13:58, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@79.183.205.72: I am not trying to say that Jerusalem is a Palestinian City nor am I trying to promote propaganda. The UNSC resolution represents the opinion of the international community, even if the USA does vote against it, it still shows that most do not support Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. From your previous comments and the fact that all your contributions are to things related to Israel, you are trying to discourage comments made in a pro-Israeli point of view without evidence. There is proof (that we just showed) as well that (despite its de facto status) Jerusalem is not the capital city of Israel. Merriam Webster literally defines "propaganda" as "ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause"[1] -- Chxeese (talk) 01:50, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I believe since no agreement can be reached I will start a vote to see if a change should occur. -- Chxeese (talk) 01:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Chxeese, but the discussion is not about whether Jerusalem is the capital city, but whether Jerusalem is the largest city. Jerusalem, despite its contentious status, is a city with a single municipal government. It is not two cities. And that city is the largest city in Israel. Or partially in Israel, from some points of view. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:06, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is if excluding the population of what is widely regarded as not "in Israel", that population is smaller than Tel Aviv. Think it needs a note that it includes East Jerusalem which is considered occupied territory. nableezy - 03:53, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Voting: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chxeese (talk • contribs) 02:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Polling is not a substitute for discussion. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Jerusalem is frequently described as a divided and disputed city, the single municipality was created via a disputed and unrecognized annexation. De facto reality is only that and says nothing about legality (de jure status). I agree it needs a note at the very least.Selfstudier (talk) 11:39, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think we have to get in to anything besides clarifying that it is the largest city if including East Jerusalem, can be in a note. Thats how it was solved at List of cities in Israel. Ill try that now. nableezy - 16:46, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

added a note. nableezy - 17:03, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nableezy I think thats a perfect choice, you deserve another Barnstar of diplomacy lol, but i suggest changing "Jerusalem is Israel's largest city if including East Jerusalem, which is widely recognized as occupied territory." to "Jerusalem is Israel's largest city if East Jerusalem, which is widely recognized as occupied territory, is included. Excluding East Jerusalem, Tel Aviv is the largest city." and maybe include the fact that East Jerusalem includes Palestinean citizens too--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 15:01, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think its enough as is but feel free to be bold if you dont. nableezy - 15:25, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nableezy Sorry I am a little late to reply, but I do feel that LostCitrationHunter's statement is correct as it does provide context on Israel and its population. -- Chxeese (talk) 23:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
If anybody else wants to make an edit they can, I just dont feel anything else is needed beyond what I did. nableezy - 23:08, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Questionable removal of content

In this edit, a bunch of material was removed from the lead under the claim that it was from a primary source.

I don't see any evidence [1] this book is a primary source.

-- Bob drobbs (talk) 01:15, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on January 16, 2022

Could someone please restore these changes? I believe I made significant improvements in terms of grammar and trimmed unnecessary text of a lede that is already too long compared to most countries. For the record, I only added my imput after multiple editors made changes without apparent discussion. Thanks.--Eastern Geek (talk) 16:32, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, several of the changes are POV issues, such as removing and continues to occupy and making Israel "retain" control of territory it nearly acquired. nableezy - 16:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So why don't you change those two things according to your desired version and leave the rest of the changes? It wasn't my intention to insert a specific POV. I wanted to improve the redaction and trim the excessive, unnecessary and over-detailed content. The supposed POV you mentioned is a minor and insignificant part of the overall changes that can be easily fixed or ignored. What about the excessive information on the revolts against the Romans for example? Or the unnecessary repetition about the Zionist movement? Or the inappropriate undue link on Jewish history in the land of Israel? Apparently you didn't pay attention to my changes.--Eastern Geek (talk) 16:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was enforcing an arbitration decision, if somebody else who is permitted wants to make any edit they are free to do so. Please dont remove the ans flag, this request has been answered, you just dont like the answer. nableezy - 15:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the effort to reduce the lede. Actually, I think even then it would still be too long. There must be a way to make it more concise. If there's no objections or further suggestions I'll implement Easter geek's changes. - Daveout(talk) 20:10, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I object to the changes in the conflict paragraph. Besides that dont really care much. nableezy - 20:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 January 2022

Can you edit the page about this country plz? ImChessFan21 (talk) 15:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide specific edits with sources that justify them. nableezy - 15:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will edit about Israel and Egypt and others. ImChessFan21 (talk)
Can you be more specific? What kind of information about those countries are you planning to edit into the article?$chnauzer 15:40, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ukraine, Israel, Honduras, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImChessFan21 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request question on Israel?

"I believe I made significant improvements in terms of grammar and trimmed unnecessary text of a lede that is already too long compared to most countries."

You were already asked once here, to "Please stop adding edit request templates to talk pages as you did at Talk:Caracas. It makes no sense to add them if you aren't making any request, and it makes no sense to add them with the "answered" parameter already set to "yes"" Selfstudier (talk) 15:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I said "Please stop adding edit request templates to talk pages as you did at Talk:Caracas. It makes no sense to add them if you aren't making any request, and it makes no sense to add them with the "answered" parameter already set to "yes"" so please stop right now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ImChessFan21 (talk • contribs) 16:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 January 2022

In the "native name" section of the infobox, please change ([[Hebrew language|Hebrew]]) to ([[Modern Hebrew|Hebrew]]) because that is the type of Hebrew that is reflected in the "Official languages" section of the box. Alternatively, [[Modern Hebrew]] does not need a link here because it is already linked in the "Official languages" section, and duplicate and repeat links are discouraged. Joesom333 (talk) 17:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Done. “WarKosign” 17:48, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 January 2022. >Add 6.5 Real Estate under 6 Economy<

Immobilien

Housing prices in Israel are listed in the top third[2], with an average of 150 salaries required to buy an apartment[3]. As of 2022, there are about 2.7 million properties in Israel, with an annual increase of more than 50,000[4]. However, the demand for housing exceeds supply, with a shortage of about 200,000 apartments as of 2021[5], and thus rising house prices. As a result, between 2020 and 2021 there was a significant increase of 10% on average in housing[6]. High prices don’t stop Israelis from buying properties. In 2021, Israelis took a record of NIS 116.1 billion in mortgages[7], an increase of 50% from 2020. Graffz (talk) 14:06, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This section looks good to me, so if nobody objects I'll copy it tomorrow into the article. "WarKosign” 23:19, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Erledigt"WarKosign” 20:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@WarKosignI have only one concern the ref to site bhii seems to me like spam of commerical site this account previously tried to promote it [2] Shrike (talk) 08:24, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Shrike: This seems a more reliable source, quoting CBS, but they only support 5.6% increase in the last year. Before I change, do you see any problem with it?"WarKosign” 09:59, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No objections Shrike (talk) 14:27, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/propaganda
  2. ^ "Housing prices". OECD.
  3. ^ "Average salary in Israel" (PDF). Central Bureau of Statistics of Israel. Retrieved 4 January 2022.
  4. ^ "Dwellings and Buildings in Israel" (PDF). Central Bureau of Statistics of Israel. Retrieved 26 January 2022.
  5. ^ Tsion, Hila (23 June 2021). "Housing crisis: about 200,000 apartments are missing". Ynet (in Hebrew).
  6. ^ "Post-Covid: Housing Prices in Israel". bhii.co.il. Retrieved 26 January 2022.
  7. ^ "Report on housing loans". Bank of Israel. Retrieved 26 January 2022.
@Shrike:@WarKosign: Yes, I am indeed guilty. First I did try to insert the link to the "Housing in Israel" article, however I felt it was a bad idea, so I spent a lot of time working on my article on bhii, using different resources, and finding out that the change was an average of 10% (8-12% depending on the city). You seem to think that I did this selfishly in order to promote my own website, and you probably will be right, although I did try to benefit the readers. Anyway, it's up to you whether keep the link, or remove itGraffz (talk) 15:37, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The information about getting independence from Britain is misinformation. Israel as state or country or nation was never a British subject or colony. The country was artificially created by UK.

The information about getting independence from Britain is misinformation. Israel as state or country or nation was never a British subject or colony. The country was created by UK. The demographic were artificially changed 67.225.41.59 (talk) 23:47, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I removed "independence from the British Empire" from the infobox since neither Palestine nor Israel were ever in the British Empire. Is there any other place in the article of concern? Zerotalk 05:56, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Map Change

I think the map which should be used in the Article is the one with the Golan Heights as a fully integrated territory and the west bank as not fully intergrated because it's the more correct situation currently, in which Israel is the sovereign of these territories. This map is already used in many articles such as the German and the French ones. I would like if someone would open a poll on this change.

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