Talk:List of metro systems

Vilnius Metro?

Vilnius is in the list as under construction but I don't see any sources the page for the metro itself talks about it as a proposal. what's going on here? 80.179.255.58 (talk) 14:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)

Good question. The Lithuanian article on it includes the following sourced sentence "On April 14, 2021, the Government of the Republic of Lithuania approved the conclusion prepared by the Ministry of Transport and Communications, which proposes not to approve the draft resolution of the Seimas to recognize the Vilnius metro project as a project of special national importance."

So, as it seems to be an indefinite proposal which never happens, I'm removing it from that list, which in any case says it is for projects "currently under construction." Valenciano (talk) 18:07, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Seville

Should seville metro be on here? Its fully grade separated, and though it's considered light metro so are a lot of systems in this list like Rennes and Vancouver 2A00:A040:19F:243:90D4:E0E2:E713:9C4A (talk) 10:50, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Inconsistent dates

It has come to my attention that the dates on this article are not consistent from place to place. Is it possible to make the dates more consistent, so that most to all metro lengths in this article, would be measured in 2021 or 2018 per se, rather than the year measured constantly changing depending on the metro? Because I'm not sure how and I do think that it makes the article more inconsistent overall. PoliticallyPassionateGamer (talk) 04:11, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Waiting for consistent numbers would just make the numbers even more out of date and you would never get numbers for some systems. As it is we have to wait to get figures for 2023 so that some consistency can be re-established after the pandemic. At the moment they are becoming more inconsistent as patronage numbers are entered for some systems for 2020 and 2021.--Grahame (talk) 14:16, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. I don't know much about this topic so I'm glad I know now. Thank you! PoliticallyPassionateGamer (talk) 14:22, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Metrovalencia

Why was my edit reverted? Why does this list include many hybrid systems but not Valencia? It meets all the criterias set by UITP, is listed by UITP and Metrobits as a metro system, we have called it a metro system in many pages of this wiki. Not all the line is a metro obviously, but good portions of L1, 3, 5 are. If we exclude it for sharing some km of rail with regional trains or the fact that it uses trams on some lines then there are other Metros on this list that should be excluded as well. Sacesss (talk) 12:53, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Are any lines fully metro from end-to-end? Because the fact that the central trunk is metro-like doesn't qualify a system if the same vehicles continue on surface trackage with many grade crossings. That's a subway-surface medium-capacity system, which are included in the list at medium-capacity rail system. That's where Metrovalencia really belongs. oknazevad (talk) 16:24, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Probably this could be added, but with only line 5 and its related datas considered? Though I would re-ask @Terramorphous: on whether they accept such resolution, that said, its line 5 doesn't have any level crossings as one of my real-world friend travelled within it some months ago, that's distinct from its other lines. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 12:57, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Anyway @Oknazevad: by such standards, should we consider removing Wuhu Metro as it's nothing looks like metro-standardized, all of its lines, either in operation or under construction, are monorails. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 13:03, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

You're right. We have separate a list of monorail systems where that belongs. oknazevad (talk) 13:49, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Why do we keep trying to remove monorail-based systems from the list? Nothing about the definition of rapid transit or metro systems restricts the designation to only systems that run using traditional railways. Multiple systems listed are partially or fully made up of monorail lines. The systems included are fully grade-separated, they're fully integrated into their respective cities' transport networks and are treated by operators and agencies as on equal footing with metro lines. The header of the rapid transit article even states "Some systems use guided rubber tires, magnetic levitation (maglev), or monorail." The International Association of Public Transport, or UITP specifically says in their definition of metros (cited in the main explaining text in this very article) that "Rail systems with specific construction issues operating on a segregated guideway (e.g. monorail, rack railways) are also treated as Metros as long as they are designated as part of the urban public transport network."

I strongly believe that splitting systems up in this way based only on an aesthetic difference rather than an operational or institutional one is incorrect, and should not be done on this and other pages. Sbb618 (talk) 00:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

(as a postscript, I also don't love the whole "light metro" split but that's a debate for another time)

Mostly it's a matter of monorails being quite different technology than conventional electrified railways. It significantly affects design and construction of the systems. I think keeping systems with their distinct characteristics in their own list helps readers find and compare them more easily. oknazevad (talk) 01:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

But how much does functionally carry over once the line opens? In my view, a conventional line and monorail line are pretty much the same from a user's perspective, and probably in many aspects from the agencies' standpoint (such as scheduling, advertisement, etc.), and this list should reflect that. If you're a rider in Chongqing, is there really anything – fares, geographic coverage, branding, transfers – functionally different between taking Line 1 and Line 2? Sbb618 (talk) 03:03, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

@Liuxinyu970226: No, Line 5 is not a metro line it's a service that shares tracks with Line 7 and 5 services that go way out into rural areas running single track and at grade. Valencia should not be on this list. @Oknazevad: Why do we keep trying to remove monorail-based systems from the list? The systems included are fully grade-separated, high capacity and many are operated like the rest of the metro network. The UITP even considers them to be rapid transit. By this logic, to be consistent we need to remove all rubber-tired metros, AGTs and VALs from the list too as they are nowhere near "conventional". Terramorphous (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2023 (UTC)