Talk:Adventure game

Fixing Citations

Need assistance on fixing the citations for numbers 26 and 28. I tried fixing some of the page numbers but I am unsure of how to go about changing them myself. I went into the book being referenced and found contrary information. For citation number 26, the changes should remain, but the page numbers should be 321, where it states, from the book, "Adventure games frequently include lateral thinking puzzles." - Which is contrary to the previously stated reference that was there before the edit, saying that Adventure games commonly used "Logic puzzles". On logic puzzles, the book being references says "Adventure games often present logic puzzles as combination locks or other machinery that the player must learn to manipulate because those devices make sense in the fantasy world in which the game exists" - Which is intrinsically different, and is not on pages 444-445, but page 310. If I could simply have some assistance straightening this out I would be very appreciative.Belregard (talk) 02:27, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

I fixed the citation errors for 26 and 28, and changed the page number for 26 from 320 to 321 (I couldn't find a source that was written by just Adams, but he co-authored the book that is frequently used as a reference, so I changed it to that). I removed Jenkins443-444 and Adams444–445 as they were not used in the article, but I assume you know their appropriate place and how to change the page numbers where that is needed. (Should this not be the case I would be happy to help with that!)

I would also like to use the {​{sfn}​} format for this article, if you're okay with that. It functions the same as the citation format that's currently used but doesn't need to be defined separately. To get an idea how it functions/what it looks like: Panic of 1819. ReneeWrites (talk) 13:49, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. "but I assume you know their appropriate place and how to change the page numbers where that is needed" - I don't know why you would assume that, given my advertisement, but I'm still getting used to the various formalities of wikipedia editing and would appreciate any tips or suggestions.Belregard (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Apologies. I added the extra bit of info and the missing footnote to the page.

I changed the cite templates for the citations that refer to specific pages. {​{sfn}} looks for a {​{cite}} where the parameters for an author's last name and year of publication are filled in, and will automatically fetch it if it can find it or give an error if it can't. To change a page number now all you need to do is change the number(s) after p= (if it's one page) or pp= (if it's multiple).

For someone who is new to Wikipedia you're doing a remarkable job. If you ever have questions or want feedback from other editors who work on video game articles in particular, WikiProject Video games is one of the larger/more active Wikiprojects. ReneeWrites (talk) 19:02, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Western Japanese structure

Splitting the history into Japanese and Western sections is undue and feels discriminatory. They should be merged into one restructured History section.

Also the genre differentiation used for game articles between text and graphical adventure games is about as useful silent and non-silent movies. IgelRM (talk) 08:12, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

Also the difference between narrative adventure game, "walking simulators" and interactive movie seems to overlap or not clearly defined. IgelRM (talk) 14:43, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

"Imitation City" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"First person adventure" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Requested move 6 November 2023

Adventure game → Adventure video game – The currnet article is about video games. But there are also adventure board game. Under adventure game, we can have a disambig for now, although ideally there should be a broader article about adventure games, which covers both video and board games. (Interestingly, based on my reading of the history sections of these articles, the board and video games developed nearly at the same time, with the first adventure board game being Dungeon! of 1975, and the first adventure video game, Colossal Cave Adventure of 1976 or lesser known Wander (1974 video game). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:PRIMARYTOPICs commonly conflict with other things, yet are still primary. For example Apple is not disambiguated as Apple (fruit) despite sharing the name of the software company. The idea of an adventure video game is the primary topic for this term, while adventure board games are not. The pageview disparity is tremendous, and cannot solely be explained by people going to the wrong place. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 09:12, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per @Zxcvbnm. Killuminator (talk) 09:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per @Zxcvbnm. Kind regards, Grueslayer 12:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Oppose per PRIMARYTOPIC. Yes, there exists board games, but the amount of coverage of those compared to video games is trivial, that "adventure game" nearly always exclusively refers to video game versions. We are providing the hat note for the board game versions. --Masem (t) 13:04, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

New SubGenre: Full expression interactive movie by example of HellBlade

I created a new subgenre, Full Expression Interactive Movie, because the description in Interactive Movie does not match today's productions of such games. Either it's an old description or it's not Interactive Movie at all and the name needs to be changed to something else. I have never heard of a DVD playing a key role in the production of Interactive Movie games, or reproducing scenes from a DVD. As for the name I gave, it is crucial, because in the example of HellBlade, we are definitely dealing with a new subgenre of Adventure games. It is like a movie and focuses mainly on the character and their emotions, story is linear like a movie. Many game critics did not understand this game and did not realize that it is a new adventure subgenre. I named it as Full expression interactive movie, because I heard somewhere such term, and is mainly focused on facial capture to show emotions, but other suggestions are welcome.

--Darek555 (talk) 03:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Hellblade is the farthest thing from an interactive movie, and this sounds like fully original research which we disallow. Its why we require secondary sources that discuss this idea, which I cannot find in any sources. Masem (t) 04:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not saying anything like that. You're understanding something wrong. I say, if we're talking about, and it follows from what I added, that Hellblade is an Action-Adveture - I don't deny this, but added FEIM sub-genre, what I created based on world reaction and process in game creation, widely described on the world, etc added quotation about BEFTA awards etc, not the genre. I narrowed down the name. If you don't agree with this, why do you agree to the existence of the terms Interactive Movie - sub genre etc? --Darek555 (talk) 04:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

There's a specific definition for interactive movie, which generally is where the player has little control except at key points during the narrative. Hellblade may follow a linear path but it is nothing like what are considered interactive movies. Just because the actress won the BAFTA for Best Performance doesn't matter - eg consider that Christopher Judge won the same for his role in God of War (a pure action game). Masem (t) 05:25, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Good ! This is another proof that such game sub-genre exists. I will update therm. I think that one of the first dates of the creation of this sub-genre is one of the first awards granted in this category, but we need to see if it meets the definition, i.e. detail facial capture, not only motion capture. I heard somewhere in discussion about lack of strict names of sub-genre in adventures games. We must find this and change this. In section of Interactive Movie - sub-genre are some nonsense. Just because someone said something about it in internet doesn't mean it's true. This is a wrong approach and this also needs to be changed and. Not blindly quote something because it is in the media. This is like UFO history :). Interactive Movie is not characterized mainly by some strange use of DVD recordings, it is some astronomical nonsense and I'm surprised that no one changed it ! Want source :) ?

It reminds me of my war when I changed the wiki therm from Permanent Death to permadeath. there were also Wikipedians who needed sources, I was even blocked. Ultimately, my change is still there today and I'm the author of this change. The biggest pest back then was @NinjaRobotPirate, it kept rolling back edits. The war was long but I had patience because I was simply right, as is always the case with new discoveries. So I recommend considering whether to update this chapter about subgenres, because in the future someone will name it and then there will be a source. Secondly, if something has a clear and unambiguous definition, as is the case with theories, it does not have to have a source. The definition is the source. I must say that I don't know what to call this type of sub-genre we discussed, and FEIM is something I've heard somewhere, but then it be also invented by someone and I don't know if it's correct. It is like with FPP etc. Terms that first existed in slang. Have fun reading and with finding sources :) Darek555 (talk) 11:22, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:NOR. We do not accept any editor's random theories or the like just because the editor considers them true. We require that type of information to come directly from reliable sources. You have zero to support your idea there's a new sub-genre here. Masem (t) 13:11, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Agree ! I'm not insisting that it stay that way, because there are no sources, but you have to think about it because there's something to it. Just change this, edit, etc.

I see differences between a film without facial expressions and those with facial expressions. These are completely different games, especially with press on show the emotion. There is no source, so what, does that mean it doesn't exist? In my opinion, it needs to be defined and placed somehow. This is some sub-genre, but what I don't know I see where world is going, and changing. I don't insist on how name this sub-genre, but I insist that there should be information about it. Darek555 (talk) 13:31, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

You're engaged in a full original research goal here, claiming there has to be this new sub-genre. Without sources that state directly that games like Hellblade fall into a new genre, you cannot add anything of your own opinions or theories to Wikipedia. Masem (t) 13:33, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

"I named it as'"" - Are you serious? And which source speaks of a "new subgenre", whatever its name might be? Kind regards, Grueslayer 06:39, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Did you just ping an administrator to brag that you're going to edit war indefinitely to keep your original research in video game articles? @Ferret and Sergecross73: sorry for the ping, but this might be worth keeping an eye on. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:40, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

ooo Hi remember that ? You fought a stubborn and long war with me and lost :) You should congratulate me. Darek555 (talk) 13:02, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

All your changes on that article appeared to be reverted too (unless you were editing from an IP). And you should never consider an edit war to be a good thing. We discuss rather than keep making changes and reverts. Masem (t) 13:10, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Nothing has been undone, look at it, I was the author of the change to permadeath and it is still like that. The war was created by NinjaRobotPirate and others who kept reverting my edits. He didn't listen the arguments at all. It finally worked out for me. The password was changed after my intervention with Permanent Death and is permadeath. The same way he kept deleting the Path of Exile example as permadeath, everything is documented, just read. Now it's permadeath as I changed it. I'm not influent in Wikipedia I have other tasks. Just consider updating definitions in sub-genre and look close at Interactive movie - this should be changed. Soon I will try start discussion about this Darek555 (talk) 13:18, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Any contributions to permadeath that you are listed as having doing have appeared to be undone, and you definitely did not contribute to the changing to "permadeath" as the article title at all. Masem (t) 13:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't know how to find it and I don't know why it can't be seen, because when I click on the strictest version it is permadeath, but it wasn't. I was the one who fought to change this topic to permadeath and gave a lot of arguments, such as the number of views in Google, etc., where the term permadeath was used in relation to games of this type and not Permamnet Death, there was no such type. There was a big fight to change it and I think someone finally posted such a table - a request to change the title and then after some time it was done. If it can't be seen and it wasn't attributed to me, then Wikipedia has some imperfection. Darek555 (talk) 13:50, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

I found a trace in the discussion, here's the link where it says to change it to permadeath:

I found a trace in the discussion, here's the link where it says to change it to permadeath:

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Permadeath&oldid=770799801#Types_of_permadeath_mode_section

previously there was no word permadeath, I introduced it and I don't know why it wasn't assigned to me Darek555 (talk) 13:56, 8 November 2023 (UTC)