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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022
Hello Joe Roe,
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Much has happened since the last newsletter over two months ago. The open letter finished with 444 signatures. The letter was sent to several dozen people at the WMF, and we have heard that it is being discussed but there has been no official reply. A related article appears in the current issue of The Signpost. If you haven't seen it, you should, including the readers' comment section.
Awards: Barnstars were given for the past several years (thanks to MPGuy2824), and we are now all caught up. The 2021 cup went to John B123 for leading with 26,525 article reviews during 2021. To encourage moderate activity, a new "Iron" level barnstar is awarded annually for reviewing 360 articles ("one-a-day"), and 100 reviews earns the "Standard" NPP barnstar. About 90 reviewers received barnstars for each of the years 2018 to 2021 (including the new awards that were given retroactively). All awards issued for every year are listed on the Awards page. Check out the new Hall of Fame also.
Software news: Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have connected with WMF developers who can review and approve patches, so they have been able to fix some bugs, and make other improvements to the Page Curation software. You can see everything that has been fixed recently here. The reviewer report has also been improved.
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Suggestions:
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Backlog:
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Saving the best for last: From a July low of 8,500, the backlog climbed back to 11,000 in August and then reversed in September dropping to below 6,000 and continued falling with the October backlog drive to under 1,000, a level not seen in over four years. Keep in mind that there are 2,000 new articles every week, so the number of reviews is far higher than the backlog reduction. To keep the backlog under a thousand, we have to keep reviewing at about half the recent rate!
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TFA
New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023
Hello Joe Roe,
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- Backlog
The October drive reduced the backlog from 9,700 to an amazing 0! Congratulations to WaddlesJP13 who led with 2084 points. See this page for further details. The queue is steadily rising again and is approaching 2,000. It would be great if <2,000 were the “new normal”. Please continue to help out even if it's only for a few or even one patrol a day.
- 2022 Awards
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Onel5969 won the 2022 cup for 28,302 article reviews last year - that's an average of nearly 80/day. There was one Gold Award (5000+ reviews), 11 Silver (2000+), 28 Iron (360+) and 39 more for the 100+ barnstar. Rosguill led again for the 4th year by clearing 49,294 redirects. For the full details see the Awards page and the Hall of Fame. Congratulations everyone!
Minimum deletion time: The previous WP:NPP guideline was to wait 15 minutes before tagging for deletion (including draftification and WP:BLAR). Due to complaints, a consensus decided to raise the time to 1 hour. To illustrate this, very new pages in the feed are now highlighted in red. (As always, this is not applicable to attack pages, copyvios, vandalism, etc.)
New draftify script: In response to feedback from AFC, the The Move to Draft script now provides a choice of set messages that also link the creator to a new, friendly explanation page. The script also warns reviewers if the creator is probably still developing the article. The former script is no longer maintained. Please edit your edit your common.js or vector.js file from User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js
to User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.js
Redirects: Some of our redirect reviewers have reduced their activity and the backlog is up to 9,000+ (two months deep). If you are interested in this distinctly different task and need any help, see this guide, this checklist, and spend some time at WP:RFD.
Discussions with the WMF The PageTriage open letter signed by 444 users is bearing fruit. The Growth Team has assigned some software engineers to work on PageTriage, the software that powers the NewPagesFeed and the Page Curation toolbar. WMF has submitted dozens of patches in the last few weeks to modernize PageTriage's code, which will make it easier to write patches in the future. This work is helpful but is not very visible to the end user. For patches visible to the end user, volunteers such as Novem Linguae and MPGuy2824 have been writing patches for bug reports and feature requests. The Growth Team also had a video conference with the NPP coordinators to discuss revamping the landing pages that new users see.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter June 2023
Hello Joe Roe,
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Backlog
Redirect drive: In response to an unusually high redirect backlog, we held a redirect backlog drive in May. The drive completed with 23851 reviews done in total, bringing the redirect backlog to 0 (momentarily). Congratulations to Hey man im josh who led with a staggering 4316 points, followed by Meena and Greyzxq with 2868 and 2546 points respectively. See this page for more details. The redirect queue is steadily rising again and is steadily approaching 4,000. Please continue to help out, even if it's only for a few or even one review a day.
Redirect autopatrol: All administrators without autopatrol have now been added to the redirect autopatrol list. If you see any users who consistently create significant amounts of good quality redirects, consider requesting redirect autopatrol for them here.
WMF work on PageTriage: The WMF Moderator Tools team, consisting of Sam, Jason and Susana, and also some patches from Jon, has been hard at work updating PageTriage. They are focusing their efforts on modernising the extension's code rather than on bug fixes or new features, though some user-facing work will be prioritised. This will help make sure that this extension is not deprecated, and is easier to work on in the future. In the next month or so, we will have an opt-in beta test where new page patrollers can help test the rewrite of Special:NewPagesFeed, to help find bugs. We will post more details at WT:NPPR when we are ready for beta testers.
Articles for Creation (AFC): All new page reviewers are now automatically approved for Articles for Creation draft reviewing (you do not need to apply at WT:AFCP like was required previously). To install the AFC helper script, visit Special:Preferences, visit the Gadgets tab, tick "Yet Another AFC Helper Script", then click "Save". To find drafts to review, visit Special:NewPagesFeed, and at the top left, tick "Articles for Creation". To review a draft, visit a submitted draft, click on the "More" menu, then click "Review (AFCH)". You can also comment on and submit drafts that are unsubmitted using the script.
You can review the AFC workflow at WP:AFCR. It is up to you if you also want to mark your AFC accepts as NPP reviewed (this is allowed but optional, depends if you would like a second set of eyes on your accept). Don't forget that draftspace is optional, so moves of drafts to mainspace (even if they are not ready) should not be reverted, except possibly if there is conflict of interest.
Pro tip: Did you know that visual artists such as painters have their own SNG? The most common part of this "creative professionals" criteria that applies to artists is WP:ARTIST 4b (solo exhibition, not group exhibition, at a major museum) or 4d (being represented within the permanent collections of two museums).
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Welcome to the drive!
Welcome, welcome, welcome Joe Roe! I'm glad that you are joining the drive! Please, have a cup of WikiTea, and go cite some articles.
CactiStaccingCrane (talk)15:38, 2 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)
Closing the Thinker78 ANI
Hi, Joe. Thanks for closing the Thinker78 ANI. I've been watching it, worrying a little that someone might close it before the 24 hours were up, but of course you didn't do that. I was wondering, though: in your close, you mention the possibility of waiting 72 hours. I didn't know that was even a thing; I thought the principle was to wait 24 hours before enforcing a CBAN, both to accommodate all the timezones and out of respect for the individual being banned. Is the idea of waiting 72 hours mentioned anywhere? If so, surely it's more honoured in the breach than the observance?
By the way, also, I believe you're supposed to log the ban. This would be the place. Bishonen | tålk 13:52, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
- (talk page stalker) Per this RFC from 2020. ——Serial Number 54129 13:59, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Minimum times mentioned at WP:CBAN, which also seems to suggest that full site bans don't require logging. It wouldn't hurt. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 14:11, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Fortuna. Like Hamlet, I still don't think it's usually what actually happens, though. And I'm looking at the RFC, noting the arguments, and the users urging them... hmmm. Yeah, that's what I think: hmmm. Firefangledfeathers, I do see it's suggested site bans don't require logging. How strange. I would definitely log this one, if it was me. It's not like it's a horrible scarlet letter on the user; the editing restrictions page is pretty obscure. Something for the cognoscenti only. Bishonen | tålk 14:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
- They were the days! :) Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- O Fortuna, velut luna! Statu variabilis! Bishonen | tålk 23:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
- The pocketings were frequent too :) Muffled Pocketed 11:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- O Fortuna, velut luna! Statu variabilis! Bishonen | tålk 23:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
- They were the days! :) Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 14:40, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed the early close and was going to point back to that policy too, since I've been whacked with a wet trout about it before, but I think this is a good use of WP:IAR. There was obviously only going to be more hard words for the editor that they probably wouldn't hear anyway. As for logging: I wouldn't bother personally, EDR ought to be for editors with restrictions from certain things, not for editors who can't edit at all. It would be a very long page otherwise, and we have Category:Banned Wikipedia users. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:38, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't even think it's IAR because WP:CBAN says "must be kept open for 72 hours except in cases where there is limited opposition and the outcome is obvious after 24 hours" and this seems to fall squarely into that exception. Levivich (talk) 16:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think the editor is much better off banned, given what they've said about their issues and the behavior they've shown which was a bit disturbing. Doug Weller talk 16:05, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, Fortuna. Like Hamlet, I still don't think it's usually what actually happens, though. And I'm looking at the RFC, noting the arguments, and the users urging them... hmmm. Yeah, that's what I think: hmmm. Firefangledfeathers, I do see it's suggested site bans don't require logging. How strange. I would definitely log this one, if it was me. It's not like it's a horrible scarlet letter on the user; the editing restrictions page is pretty obscure. Something for the cognoscenti only. Bishonen | tålk 14:17, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
- As Levivich says, I was following the instructions from WP:CBAN:
for site bans, the discussion must be kept open for 72 hours except in cases where there is limited opposition and the outcome is obvious after 24 hours.
Feel free to log it somewhere; I don't really see the point. – Joe (talk) 07:34, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
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Leeds Wikipedia meetup on Saturday 4th May
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If you just want one-word responses feel free to delete my comment. Ingratis (talk) 13:13, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- No that's exactly what I had in mind, thanks. – Joe (talk) 13:42, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
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Changes to the functionaries team, April 2024
Following requests to the Arbitration Committee, the CheckUser access of Joe Roe is restored and the Oversight access of GeneralNotability is removed. The Committee sincerely thanks GeneralNotability for his service as a member of the Arbitration Committee and Oversight team.
On behalf of the Committee, Sdrqaz (talk) 23:16, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard § Changes to the functionaries team, April 2024
Hello, Joe,
Just thought I'd drop a note to you to remind you that category redirects are not created like article redirects. Please check out the code/template on this page so if you want to create more in the future, you won't have to go looking for the information. That's it! Have a great weekend! Liz Read! Talk! 02:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. For some reason I thought that worked for categories too. – Joe (talk) 07:29, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
Just for the record
I just want to say that my wording was not great over at the conflict of interest discussion. In no way do I think you are unfit to be an admin or acting in bad faith. With all due respect, I do think there was a bit of bad judgment there, and I should have phrased it that way. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 15:32, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
- No worries, and thanks for taking the time to clarify. As Floq has just wisely observed, messages sent through AN/I seem to come out in the worst possible way, no matter how carefully you try to word them. – Joe (talk) 15:35, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
Didn't want to derail the ANI
(See above. It's far too serious!) but your reminder was a blast from the past. Did you ever see that episode of Brass Eye where Gerry Adams's deputy, being interviewed, has to "inhale helium gas so as to detract from his credibility"? Fantastic stuff. ——Serial Number 54129 18:08, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
"Framming"
I'm not sure how Fram felt about it given that they chose to reply to TheAnonme rather than you, but I felt "framming" to be a disrespectful verb. Barkeep49 (talk) 20:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
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NPP Requests for Permission
Hi Joe, I just wanted to thank you for having a look at my recent application for NPP. I know it takes a lot of time to review this, so thanks!! Apologies also for not replying earlier, things suddenly got busier in real life than I had expected; sorry! Jtrrs0 (talk) 13:30, 25 April 2024 (UTC)