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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 11:39, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Michael Darby

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Could not find evidence that the article passes WP:GNG J2m5 (talk) 09:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. People do not get articles just for standing as candidates in elections they didn't win — the notability test at WP:NPOL is holding a notable political office, not running for one and losing — but this makes no claim that he had preexisting notability for any other reason independent of unsuccessful candidacies. Bearcat (talk) 03:05, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete There's some news coverage cited on this page, but I don't see enough to consider him notable. And, as Bearcat pointed out, his unsuccessful candidacies do nothing to establish notability. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 05:03, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NPOL. No real substantial coverage besides running for elections. LibStar (talk) 12:12, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Omori (video game). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:06, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Omocat

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Omocat is not independently notable of Omori (video game), and the majority of sourcing in this article is about the game and not Omocat beyond some passing mentions. WP:GNG failure. λ NegativeMP1 21:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Citations 2, 3, and 4 are all about OMOCAT themself and not specifically OMORI. Additionally, OMOCAT has their own successful individual page on the Japanese Wikipedia.

OMOCAT fits the notability requirement in that "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work." The articles and reviews about OMORI itself fit the requirement: "such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work". Because of this, it's significant to mention OMORI as it is their most well-known work. Their fashion line, independent of OMORI, has garnered attention in the U.S and Japan, hence their article in Japanese Wikipedia. Alexapar21 (talk) 21:59, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to ~~Omori~~ Omori (video game). It is a common mistake to assume notability is inherited from something a developer created, however the developer has to have standalone notability, which this developer does not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:34, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: I am assuming that the intended redirect target would be Omori (video game) (which OMOCAT in all-caps redirects to) rather than the Omori disambiguation page. (I don't have any other opinion or comment beyond that at this time.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Omori (video game) The coverage about Omocat mainly stems from her Omori work, her other ventures have received little coverage that is not PR. Jumpytoo Talk 05:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Omori (video game). Notability is not inherited. Charcoal feather (talk) 23:58, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:08, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew O'Connor (writer)

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I don't really think this person is notable enough. It has zero sources, and that it hasn't been really expanded that much. JuniperChill (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Speedy Keep~~. Nom is based purely on the current stage of the article and not on the notability of the subject. If a basic BEFORE had been done the Sydney Morning Herald linked in the Tuvalu (novel) page would have been seen demonstrating that the subject does not have zero sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Duffbeerforme: that is still only one source that goes towards establishing notability. A Google search I did found a bunch of references to 'Andrew O'Connor' but I suspect that none of them are this Andrew O'Connor. GMH Melbourne (talk) 07:51, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I actually did say about the notability in the first sentence. Maybe I forgot to say that my Google search mostly returns the actor. Also, Google seems to no longer return the number of results I have been getting (in the form of about 1,000,000 results (0.10 seconds)). We have many pages without sources but I think due to the new rules, any articles created today without sources will almost certainly result in an AFD, merge, redirect or drafts. JuniperChill (talk) 10:07, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you are only finding hits for others then refine your search. This man wrote a book called Tuvalu so search for "Andrew O'Connor" Tuvalu and you may get better results, such as [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]. Simple really. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:25, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Single EL source in article does not meet WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth, nothing found in BEFORE that has SIGCOV from independent sources. Info from sources found related to Awards and nominations does not meet SIGCOV and would fail WP:IS. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 15:28, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Austlit lists 17 works about his works. Below are from some of the better known publications listed. Info from sources found related to Awards and nominations does meet SIGCOV and would pass WP:IS.duffbeerforme (talk) 07:19, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pierce, Peter (23 September 2006), "Gaining in translation", The Age

Full length review of Tuvalu. (Peter Pierce is professor of Australian literature at James Cook University.)

Stubbings, Diane (19 August 2006), "All-absorbing look at search for an elusive dream", The Canberra Times

Full length review of Tuvalu.

Ley, James (19 August 2006), "The island in the mind", The Sydney Morning Herald

Full length review of Tuvalu.

Tucker, Genevieve (6 September 2006), "Fraught between two worlds", The Australian

Full length review of Tuvalu.

The Sydney Morning Herald

Article about O'Connor.

Keep: this is a classic case of an editor equating a lack of references with notability. It has needed, and has now received, an edit that includes a number of references. The author's novel, Tuvalu, is an Australian prize-winner, which makes it notable. To delete the page of the author of that novel would diminish the encyclopedia. The page still needs more work rather than a deletion. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:24, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: With the book awards and these critical reviews of Tuvalu [7], [8], passes AUTHOR. Oaktree b (talk) 01:17, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: And this discussion [9] of his work. Oaktree b (talk) 01:18, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:20, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harish Kumar Gupta

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Resume vanity BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Appears to be mainly sourced from a LinkedIn resume and government bio page (both fail WP:IS, WP:RS), with other refs being routine mill news and name mentions. Government service awards are routine, not meeting WP:ANYBIO. // Timothy :: talk 15:23, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Page reads as resume for job application. Things he did or delegated as correctional officer and none of it is a significant achievement and widely known to warrant a page on the subject. Fails WP:BIO and notability. RangersRus (talk) 13:14, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Head of the police of Andhra Pradesh, a major state of India. For those used to state police forces having a limited role, state police forces in India are huge and provide all policing in the state. Clearly notable and sources satisfy WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Horia Iancu

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Sportsperson did sportsthing. No indication of notability. Single reference is an interview, so fails WP:SIRS, and therefore fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 10:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Possible there are sources, considering he has played over 100 games for a fair sized club. If there are sources ping me. Abstain vote for now. Cheers. Govvy (talk) 17:01, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was going to say that someone with over 100 appearances for Steau Bucharest in recent times would have a lot of sources in Romanian at least, but then I realised this is for the "official" Steau Bucharest, or however you should describe the one that isn't in the top flight (not FCSB). So he has 43 second-division appearances since 2015 [10]. A pretty low contribution to the game of football. If this lower Steau Bucharest has retained the fan base (just as the official C.F. Os Belenenses did when they went down), then I estimate there would be decent coverage in Romanian sources. Unknown Temptation (talk) 22:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. Does not appear to meet WP:GNG. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question @Unknown Temptation: So there are two different clubs now? I am a little confused? Is the one Horia Iancu plays for operating as a B team? I am still confused here. Govvy (talk) 12:21, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are two clubs purporting to be Steaua, but otherwise unrelated. Geschichte (talk) 07:28, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not much demonstrating notability for this player. HarukaAmaranth ^春 _香 13:51, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Martín Gaitán

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All citations are profiles. No news coverage can be found. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 20:04, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Not sure a proper WP:BEFORE has been done on this one. A simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing sourcing, and foreign Wikipedias also have sourcing. Given his career with a number of caps and World Cup appearances as well as playing in Europe this isn't particularly surprising. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:26, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I find a bit of coverage for a blind football player [11], but there is no coverage for this rugby person. Delete for a lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 23:32, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: French wiki article lists what seem to be newspaper stories about this person, but there are no online links to them, so I can't evaluate how good they are. Oaktree b (talk) 23:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lean Keep, per the offline sources at the French Wikipedia and per Rugbyfan22. The titles seem to translate to "Gaïtan: 'hope'", "The pleasure of Gaïtan", "Martin Gaitan, the miraculous", and "The eye of Martin Gaitan", all of which, based on the titles, appear to be highly likely significant coverage. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:20, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:HEY. This is the difference between the article at nomination and in its current much improved condition. I'm going to accept the presented sources from the French Wikipedia in good faith, and trust the article there will be improved. BusterD (talk) 08:11, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Coaches and sports managers are likely to be notable. On that basis, per WP:HEY leaning on considering the article which has been developed. Maybe ther was a bit WP:BEFORE bypass by the nominator. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gonçalo Foro

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career, albeit for a minor nation, however a simple search is bringing up coverage. I imagine there will highly likely be more offline or not easily accessible non-English language sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Having an extensive career is not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:19, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you link them here. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We also don't give weight of location, because there maybe system bias from you saying "of a minor nation". Maybe I misunderstood that and still will need correction. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:25, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP article fails GNG, ANYBIO, and WP:SPORTSPERSON which was recently revised for this exact situation and requires at least one independent reliable source which directly details the subject. BusterD (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No established form of notability. Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 10:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject does not meet the WP:GNG due to a complete lack of WP:SIGCOV as a BLP. Let'srun (talk) 18:20, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Daniel (talk) 03:26, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Silviu Florea

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Extensive career with 3 World Cups, a considerable number of caps and appearances in major competitions. A simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing sourcing. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe these help:
I'm not saying that each of these are "in-depth coverage", but they may help someone looking to add sources to the article, so it can be kept. Razvan Socol (talk) 17:54, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

#2 is a primary source, but the third article seems to have some pretty good coverage... JTtheOG (talk)

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Keep per the references added above, which establish notability. Frank Anchor 03:36, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep, withdrawn by nominator‎. (non-admin closure) ‍—‍a smart kitten_[meow] 08:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolás Fernández Miranda

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~~All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT.~~ Shinadamina (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC) I am withdrawing my nomination based on new sources discovered.Shinadamina (talk) 04:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Not sure a WP:BEFORE has been done on this one at all. Simple search is bringing up WP:GNG sourcing, and foreign Wikipedias have other sourcing as well. None of this is surprising given his career playing in 3 World Cups (one finishing in third place) winning over 40 caps for a major rugby nation, and playing in two other major rugby nations also. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- I also doubt a BEFORE search was done. There is enough coverage available online to meet WP:GNG, such as Ámbito, La Nación, Clarín, Clarín, Clarín, APlenoRugby, etc. etc. etc. JTtheOG (talk) 03:24, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - WITHDRAW NOMINATION - I am withdrawing my nomination based on new sources discovered. ATTN: @liz

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The result was redirect‎ to List of Tonga national rugby union players. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:02, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lotu Filipine

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Only one brief article exists [here https://www.looptonga.com/business/lotu-filipine-wins-500-cash-digicel-tonga-easter-promotion-91903], which is not enough. Shinadamina (talk) 19:27, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: the article I linked to, is not even about his career and may not be him. Shinadamina (talk) 19:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's also a sexual harassment incident when he was captain of the Tonga under-21 team [12]. There should be more on this, but it would require digging in NewzText, which I don't have access to. IdiotSavant (talk) 13:10, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep World Cup player and a simple search is bringing up WP:GNG passing coverage. There is likely more coverage offline also from the time of his career and locations of his playing career. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:29, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share 2 or 3 reliable sources that have in-depth coverage on the person. We cannot assume reliable sources from the past can be found. We need to find them. Appearances in World Cup are not sufficient, unless there is such a WP policy which I am not aware of. If so, please link to the said policy. Shinadamina (talk) 04:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players.Lacks WP:SIGCOV for standalone article.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players as suggested above. None of the sources applied, presented or found brings this subject past WP:SPORTSPERSON which specifies at least one reliable source directly detailing the subject. BusterD (talk) 08:01, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players: Doesn't fully meet WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:SIGCOV, hence, I agree to redirect. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 09:23, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Tonga national rugby union players: Doesn't meet WP:SPORTSCRIT or WP:SIGCOV, per Safari Scribe. History6042 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to 2007 Rugby World Cup squads#Portugal. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:59, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Duarte Figueiredo

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All available citations are profiles. Does not meet WP:NSPORT. Shinadamina (talk) 19:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2007 Rugby World Cup squads#Portugal Coverage seems to be limited, but there may be some offline sourcing, but given he played only one game for a minor nation at the World Cup I doubt there will be too much. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:32, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Jake Wartenberg (talk) 17:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Caps (rapper)

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No indication of notability. Looked for sources and found none (though that might be muddled by the simple name). —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 14:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Gsearch hits on social media, then goes off into nothingness. Very much not notable, no charted singles, no awards won, no coverage in RS, nothing found for this person. Oaktree b (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, not yet notable per WP:MUSICBIO. Wikishovel (talk) 17:00, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: Only external links used as sources here and no sign of notability. @T.C.G. [talk] 16:36, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: And beyond the cogent arguments above, this twenty word sub-stub is the next thing to worthless. "His work combines elements of classic hip-hop with new beats." Meaning what, exactly? If this had been submitted as a draft, I'd reject it until and unless the creator could actually put down some well attested facts. Wikipedia isn't waste paper. Ravenswing 02:25, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. What we see now is the result of cleanup by Wikishovel after foundational promotional copyvio by the article creator, from whose ANI discussion I found this AfD. Wikishovel, thanks for your efforts, but I think it was not worth your time to try to clean it up. It's no longer promotional and copied, but it doesn't provide any evidence of notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:11, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only a few minutes' work, thanks. I wouldn't have bothered if it were longer. Wikishovel (talk) 21:04, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No sign of notability and no reliable sourcing. HarukaAmaranth ^春 _香 07:41, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. WP:NPOL as a widely accepted and followed guideline creates at least a strong presumption of notability for state-level legislators. The "delete" side would need compelling arguments to rebut this presumption, which they don't provide; instead we get lengthy quibbling about specific sources that is quite beside the point. Sandstein 20:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel W. Greear

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The subject is a lawyer, currently serving as a judge in the West Virginia Intermediate Court of Appeals - that is not a role that would make one inherently notable, so we are looking at WP:GNG. The only secondary sources in the article look like rehashed press releases, recording the fact that he was given the '2021 Legislative Staff Achievement Award' - not a notable award. The other sources appear to be primary; I don't see any better sources, WP:GNG is not met. Girth Summit _(blether) 13:37, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. This person appears to be marginally notable as a judge and former legislator and administrator. The sources cited are not the best possible, but they appear to be valid sources: the West Virginia Record is an online legal paper, and the facts that it's funded by the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and has a strong bias toward "tort reform" doesn't affect factual statements about judicial personnel. West Virginia MetroNews is more-or-less an online newspaper. Releases from the Governor's office or official state websites are likewise valid sources for things like appointments or awards. The nominator's statement, "I don't see any better sources" is clearly based only on what's currently cited; I was able to find the subject and some of the facts relating to his career just by searching the word "Greear" on The Herald-Dispatch, and presumably more could be found at the Charleston Gazette-Mail. So this nomination did not comply with WP:BEFORE. P Aculeius (talk) 12:54, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did Google News searches on "Daniel W. Greear" and on "Daniel Greear". The first search yielded six hits, one of them literally a press release, the others either rehashed press releases or passing mentions. The second search yielded a lot more hits, most of them seemed to be about this person, but all of the ones I looked at again seemed to be rehashed press releases announcing his appointment to some position or other. I did not directly search the archives of the Herald-Dispatch or the Charleston Gazette-Mail because I've never heard of either of them. If new page reviewers were expected to be intimately familiar with the local press sources that might be available for any given subject, we would never get anything done - I don't appreciate the suggestion that my nomination did not comply with BEFORE, and unless you can point to any actual sources that give the subject significant depth of coverage (and are not rehashed press releases) it remains my view that GNG is likely not met. The point in the comment below about NPOL being satisfied may however make that point moot. Girth Summit _(blether) 10:12, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest that new page reviewers reviewing biographies of local political figures ought to be aware of, or make themselves aware of, the local news sources that would tend to provide coverage of them, before asserting that no sources exist, and that the subjects therefore fail to be notable. A basic Google search simply isn't enough. The two papers I mentioned are the largest newspapers of record in West Virginia, so you would expect to find coverage there. I didn't even have to search "archives". I simply used the search window at the top of the paper, and typed in "Greear". There were more stories than the two I cited, but some of the others concerned the subject's candidacy in past elections, and others looked to be cumulative. There are probably more facts worthy of inclusion or citation in some of them, and as I said, other news sources that I didn't consult.

As for "actual sources", the news sources are "actual" and satisfactory for what they state. You can't disregard them on the grounds that they're "rehashed press releases", nor can you pick through the article, deleting things that you deem to have come from a "press release" by the state's official websites or the governor's office. A "press release" issued by a person about himself would not be a particularly reliable source for most information—although presumably for his name, age, place of birth, family members—but when the governor states that X has been appointed to Y, that's entitled to be treated as an authoritative source for those facts. Not that "X is one of the greatest Y's in the history of our state", although potentially for the fact that "Governor Z praised X as 'one of the greatest Y's in the history of our state'." But the source is perfectly good for the bare facts of the appointment. You don't get to exclude entire classes of material from citation or consideration for notability or verifiability simply because not everything in them constitutes a citeable fact. You must consider what it is they're being cited for, and whether they carry sufficient authority to verify that material. P Aculeius (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, we routinely disregard sources that are clearly rehashed press releases when considering notability (as opposed to verifiability, for which they are generally fine). GNG clearly sets out that for a source to contribute towards notability, it must be (amongst other things) independent of the subject. A press release by a subject's employer or a body that they are affiliated with is not independent, and its having been rehashed by a local online newspaper that routinely reprints all press releases from that given body does not make it any more independent. If we

Look at it this way - with all the AGF in the world, when I look at that article and its history I cannot fail to suspect a COI, or more likely UPE. A brand new account has written it, an account that has made no edits to any other article, and which did not seem to go through any learning curve when it comes to formatting citations, adding wikiproject templates etc. The account also uploads a photograph of the subject, clearly posed for and submitted as their own work, so it is reasonable to conclude that the author knows the subject, either personally or professionally. Upon reading through the article, I find no organic coverage of the subject at all, just a bunch of press releases. UPE is not a reason for deletion, but it is a reason to scrutinise an article, and I do not think that a discussion of whether or not the subject is actually notable is an unreasonable step to take as part of that process if a reviewer finds no decent sources about the subject. And FWIW, I reject your contention that a reviewer of any subject related to West Virginia needs to be personally familiar with West Viriginian news sources - we simply do not have the volunteer capacity for that, if we took that approach the NPP queue would become entirely unmanageable. Girth Summit _(blether) 07:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Who created the article or why is relatively unimportant, if notability can be demonstrated through reliable sources. Even a press release is a good source for "X was appointed to Y position on Z date". And anything released by the governor's office or the state's official sites is entitled to full weight for its factual statements: "X is a member of Y", etc. Major newspapers of record are entitled to the presumption that their stories have been factually vetted, even if they might have borrowed their wording or structure from press releases—cause to groan about the state of modern journalism, if they did, but until shown to be inaccurate in some fashion, the stories can and should be regarded as accurate.

In this case, two news stories in a reliable, normal paper are both cited and linked to for key facts that go toward notability: the subject's having served as chief of staff for the House of Delegates, being appointed to the Intermediate Court of Appeals in 2021, being appointed to the position of Chief Judge through 2023, and having a term expiring in 2026. These are the most important facts in demonstrating notability. Other facts asserted in the article may be provable through other sources (The Blue Book at least will verify his service as a member of the legislature), but are not necessary to show that the subject is notable. Some of the sources, particularly those about awards, may indeed be "puff pieces", and the facts asserted not especially important (on the other hand, we can generally take the subject's word for things like his name, date of birth, what high school he attended, who his family members are, and for this sort of thing even "puff pieces" are fine).

But this is AfD: the question is whether the subject is notable, not whether all of the facts mentioned are important, or whether all of the sources cited are the best. Those can be dealt with through the normal editing process; deletion is not cleanup. And I stand by my position that in dealing with the notability of local subjects, such as state politicians, local sources should be searched for; you cannot rely on global searches such as a Google search for someone's name, and conclude that someone or something isn't notable because they don't have enough of a Google presence. You don't need to know all of the possible sources in advance; just have the ability to search for or find out what some of them are, and see whether any of them cover the subject in a way that supports notability. P Aculeius (talk) 13:12, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think you're getting the point I'm making. I'm not talking about whether press releases are reliable, I'm talking about whether they are independent. Press releases in and of themselves do not contribute towards notability for the purposes of GNG, even if they are rehashed in media outlets, because they are not independent of the subject. I'm not saying that they can't be used to establish straightforward facts, I'm talking strictly about whether they can be used to establish notability via WP:GNG - they can not be so used. Based on the sources currently in the article, I do not see a GNG pass because of their dearth of independent sources, and my search for better sources did not reveal any.

Having said all that, and as I conceded in my first response, the point in the !vote below about NPOL probably renders all this moot - his one-year membership of West Virginia House of Delegates probably gives a route to presumed notability, so a GNG pass is not required. I would be content for this to be closed as keep based on an NPOL pass, and for us to get on with the job of trimming the unsourced trivia and puffy editorialising introduced by the original author. Girth Summit _(blether) 15:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to be confused about the general notability guideline, if you're claiming that press releases by someone other than the subject of an article can't be cited because they're "not independent of the subject", and that "media outlets" (i.e. news sources) that rely to one degree or another on them aren't independent either, and can't be used to demonstrate notability. That's an absurd reading: the policy is saying that someone's own press releases aren't independent sources about that person, not that no announcements are independent of anything merely because they're released directly to the press!

The governor's announcement that he's appointing someone to the bench is entirely independent of the person being appointed, and is not only a reliable source, but is the best possible source. It's impossible for any other source—such as a newspaper or television news broadcast—to report on such a thing without relying on official sources. Your argument seems to be that both official sources and anything based on them must be excluded from consideration.

Similarly, the state's official sites indicating who personnel are, what positions they hold or what their terms might be are entitled to be treated as independent of the people listed—nobody is sitting there entering their own name and hoping that no-one notices! It simply makes no sense whatever to disregard all official sources for facts that demonstrate notability: being a state employee does not make the state itself and everything based on what the state says invalid for demonstrating that someone is notable! P Aculeius (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:IS explicitly lists press releases from a person's employer as an example of a non-independent source. They're reliable, for sure, and using them to add extra details in an article that also contains multiple genuinely independent sources isn't a problem, but when those are the only types of sources that can be found it becomes a problem: we don't host articles about every person whose appointment is announced by their employers, even if that appointment goes on to be published in local news media. If we did, we would likely have a lot more articles about head teachers, hospital officials and minor public officials than we do. Girth Summit _(blether) 09:35, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
When the governor announces that he's appointed someone to an office, that is absolutely entitled to be treated as an authoritative statement as to the fact of the appointment, irrespective of whether you call it a "press release", and regardless of the fact that the governor is the "employer" of most people in state government. Likewise, a state agency website or directory is authoritative as to the names and terms of its personnel, even though those personnel aren't "independent" of the agency. The idea that you can't cite official sources of information because they're not sufficiently independent is so absurd that it shouldn't even require a reply. P Aculeius (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- Per WP:NPOL as he served in the West Virginia House of Delegates. Central and Adams (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Löschen. I opened each and every reference and they are far short of supporting GNG. NPOL isn't a slam dunk it says "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability" - and this is were we're at. Desertarun (talk) 16:10, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He's not an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, he's an elected state-level politician, and thereby notable per se. Central and Adams (talk) 17:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Unless we are going to re-litigate WP:POLOUTCOMES and WP:NPOL, a state legislator is always per se notable. There are enough sources to prove the claims. Bearian (talk) 16:25, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leslie Cheung death urban legends

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Essentially a conspiracy fork (WP:POVFORK) that this person's suicide was either faked, a murder, due to a love triangle or due to demonic possession. Leslie Cheung#Death and legacy already covers what needs to be said on the subject. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 20:37, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:BLP-violating nonsense that simply has no use here. Nate • (chatter) 22:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Even though the subject has been dead for 21 years, I feel like it still meets the spirit of WP:BLP, even though it doesn't meet the letter. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 23:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Owen× ☎ 00:28, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Karr O'Connor

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Fails the notability guideline for people. Should have been deleted at the previous AfD four years ago. As one of the article's own sources reveals, the article was written by O'Connor's colleagues and the AfD was influenced by off-wiki canvassing. – Teratix ₵ 16:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry, the AfD I'm referring to is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joseph Karr O’Connor (with the fancy apostrophe). – Teratix ₵ 16:28, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, none of the arguments there about using WordPress a a source for their employee are valid at this point in time; they are primary and not useful other than for basic confirmation of certain biographical details (not proving notability). Oaktree b (talk) 18:48, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I suppose the Word Press association could have some notability context, but I don't find any sourcing for this individual. What's used in the article now are non-RS or things associated with World Press. I can't find any mention of this person in what we'd consider RS. Oaktree b (talk) 18:45, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Let'srun (talk) 01:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Pratt (sailor)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTSPERSON Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, there is plenty of sourcing available as Pratt's Olympic selection and career was discussed in media at the time. For example, see: "Pratt's the right choice". The Age. 1984-03-24. p. 36. Retrieved 2024-05-05. --Habst (talk) 00:50, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share other sources if you have them, that's the only link used in the article that's about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 01:02, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, I added it to the article because I found it. It was only the first one that showed up in my feed, I'll find another when I have a moment free. --Habst (talk) 01:04, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Löschen: Even in Gnewspapers, I can only see match reports, nothing at length about this person. Decline for lack of sourcing Oaktree b (talk) 01:01, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Oaktree b, I would check WP:Newspapers.com instead of Gnewspapers. I found some at length sources, I added a few to the article (it had no non-database sources at the start of this AfD). --Habst (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Two sources I found on Trove: [13] & [14]. BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:46, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per BeanieFan11 and Habst. Themanwithnowifi (talk) 10:54, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - sourcing now seems adequate. Ingratis (talk) 07:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - g searching is insufficient for Australian subjects, Trove and others are better. JarrahTree 00:43, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Enid Rivera

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This subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG; the only hits I found were for unrelated people. Article already had a removed PROD, so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I am unable to find enough coverage to meet GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 22:51, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. One citation is by definition not significant coverage, and is actually original research. Bearian (talk)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:46, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

M.G Hkh

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Subject does not pass WP:MUSICBIO. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, subject fails NMUSIC and GNG. -Xclusivzik (talk) 06:28, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: WP:MILL, lacking SIGCOV, and doesn't meet WP:ANYBIO, WP:NMUSIC & WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Ratnahastin (talk) 09:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as managing to failing NMUSIC, GNG, ANYBIO, MILL, SIGCOV, and GNG. Wow! Me Da Wikipedian (talk) 22:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be retained as it documents the Zimbabwean notable rising rapper M.G Hkh, and many others may be interested in his profile too.— Preceding unsigned comment added by TakuChiwanza (talk • contribs)
- That essentially amounts to a WP:USEFUL arguement, which is general not considered to be good.
Speedy delete: Created by Prince peter moyo. Seems like it's an autobiography of a non-notable individual. dxneo (talk) 07:04, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:13, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bharti Bharat Kamdi

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Fails WP:NPOL or WP:GNG. Subject is only going to contest in the general elections that is to come in June, being a candidate from a party doesn't automatically pass WP:NPOL, and being a Chairperson of the Palghar Zilla Parishad doesn't pass WP:NPOL either. This is more or less too early. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 22:59, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:TOO SOON. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Maliner (talk) 19:23, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above Claire 26 (talk) 19:25, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete Unless someone finds something newsworthy this candidate did in their local government position this is too soon until they win. Nothing here really makes notability. Bahb the Illuminated (talk) 07:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thushar Vellappally

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Fails WP:NPOL, coverage seems to relate to his candidacy in the current Indian election. No sourcing to support claims of being a philanthropist. AusLondonder (talk) 17:40, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Election for his constituency is completed on April 24, 2024 and this is not for the election. Just starting the page for adding more information. He is a notable politician and lot of political controversies are reported in the news. Links are added.(talk)

Delete: Similar to other adfs, there has been a proliferation of premature articles regarding candidates for the 2024 Indian General Elections. Like this individual, they too fall short of meeting the criteria outlined in WP:GNG and WP:NPOL. Since they have not yet been elected as Members of Parliament, the news reports solely focus on their candidacy. Some similar other AFDs: Kompella Madhavi Latha and Neeraj Tripathi. Grabup (talk) 17:57, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Löschen: non-notable politican, fails WP:NPOL, can be re-evaluated if candidate gains place in legislature to satisfy the presumed qualities of NPOL. microbiologyMarcus ^{[petri dish·growths]} 18:02, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
more citation is added to indicate the notability. Mettleboy (talk) 19:49, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Retain : More reference were added to emphasize the notability. Mettleboy (talk)

Delete This page is an election candidate only, no proof of victory, and does not specify otherwise, Fails WP:POLITICIAN~~ Spworld2 talk 01:03, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Party of Humanists. Owen× ☎ 22:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lasse Schäfer

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Fails WP:NPOL for not being the MP, and fails WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO generally. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 13:50, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Neither being an unsuccessful election candidate nor being organizational chair of a minor political party constitutes an automatic notability freebie that would guarantee a Wikipedia article — but this is referenced almost entirely to directly-affiliated primary sources that are not support for notability, and the only citation to media is just a photograph of him rather than a news article about him, and this isn't adding any GNG points either. Bearcat (talk) 15:41, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. As already ruled out by User:Espresso Addict a chair of an party with over thousands of member was, is and will constitutes an automatic notability. I find it especially disturbing that the person who opened the deletion called Lasse as an 'unsuccessful election candidate', clearly breaking the political neutrality of wikipedia. Additionally this deletion request comes now few weeks before the EU election fueling my suspicion. With that in mind, if one criticises the neutrality of the references, that's fine but its no reason to delete the article in question. G Utopia (talk) 13:36, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As @G Utopia already mentioned, this party is very active with more than 2000 members in every federal state of Germany, even though they haven't won any elections yet. The current election for the European Parliament also runs until the 9th of July, and it feels wrong to delete an article of a candidate and chairman of a party that is currently running in democratic elections. Mcaraggiu (talk) 17:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does not exist to be a repository of campaign brochures for current candidates. We're writing history here, not news, so the basis for an article is not "is he in the current news cycle today?" — it's "has he achieved something that people will still be looking for information about in the 2030s and 2040s and 2050s?"
So we have an established consensus that a person has to win the election and thereby hold the office to become encyclopedically notable as a politician, and simply being a candidate in an election to an office that the person has not already held in the past does not constitute permanent notability in and of itself. Bearcat (talk) 14:20, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete leaders of political parties must pass GNG since there is no assumption they will have been reported on as a member of a democratically elected legislature, and he does not. Most of the links are to the party's page, and the one that isn't is a link to an under 14 basketball team showing he is the trainer. SportingFlyer T·C 06:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Party of Humanists, where he is mentioned, and which is the context where people would want to gain information about him. Geschichte (talk) 14:43, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Party of Humanists, as an AtD. Fails GNG and NBIO. This might be a case of TOOSOON, if it is the material can develop at the target and be split and the history will be preserved. I'm not seeing material that would improve the target if merged. // Timothy :: talk 15:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ilya Spiegel

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I can find nothing to indicate they pass WP:NBASIC or WP:GNG. They appear to be just another politician who stood for election but were not elected. There is no Finnish article or any mentions on Finnish Wikipedia of them that I can find. There used to be a Russian version but that was deleted. KylieTastic (talk) 14:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails Wikipedia:NPOL. Just being an unelected candidate for office does not guarantee notability. I cannot find enough independent, substantive coverage about the subject. Fails Wikipedia:GNG. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 00:59, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. If an editor wants to work on this article in Draft space, let m know or make a request at WP:REFUND Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sohaib Al-Malkawi

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Does not meet WP:NJOURNALIST. Couldn't find any articles or independent information about him online. The article is mostly puffery. Probably a COI - draftifying might be an alternative, though I can't find any coverage about him at all. Clear friend a ^💬 02:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: It is full on a promotional article, and if no sources can be found it should be axed. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 03:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I didn't want to write here since I wrote the article. Anyway, I wanted to draw attention to the fact that since he's an Arabic figure when you search for him in Arabic (صهيب ملكاوي), you will find many sources. From a promotional standpoint, I admit that the article contains some promotional words, which I have now deleted. In terms of notability, I see that he fulfills the first rule. He is seen as an important figure or widely cited by his peers or successors. This is an interview of his on YouTube that shows it, and here's another one. According to RanksArabia, a website that ranks according to the votes of the Arab public, Suhaib Al-Malkawi is ranked 30th among the best Arab media professionals, and 24th among the best broadcasters and program presenters on Al Jazeera. He is one of the most prominent broadcasters on a channel considered to be one of the largest channels in the Arab world. Clearfrienda mentioned that "Probably a COI" . This is a bad assumption. For some time now, I have been writing and contributing articles about important Arabic figures, poems, places... etc, here in the encyclopedia, there is a similarity with the family names. Malkawi99 (talk) 05:39, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: probably meets G11, nothing found that meets WP:SIRS. // Timothy :: talk 13:08, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luke Rutter

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Article on a British man killed fighting in Syria. Seems completely non notable, was only reported in the news because he died. A sad event, but not one that makes him notable. No sustained coverage of him since this either, all sources seem to be directly after his death/repatriation in 2017. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 16:17, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 21:33, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tharahai Cuthbert

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Fails WP:NPOL (for now) and WP:GNG, the subject is only a candidate of an assembly election that is to come, hopefully, in July. She is yet to be elected, we don't even know if she'd be. So, for now, it fails WP:NPOL and also WP:GNG isn't satisfied. Draftifying would also not be a bad idea. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Per nom. Fails WP:NPOL. The degree of significance of the subject's achievements and of role as a candidate of a political party is not enough to warrant a page on the subject. RangersRus (talk) 14:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There has been a notable increase in the creation of Wikipedia pages for candidates in the 2024 Indian General elections. However, many of these pages fail to adhere to Wikipedia’s Politician notablity guidlines WP:NPOL or the general notability guideline WP:GNG. Merely being nominated as a candidate and having some media coverage does not automatically make someone notable. Additionally, creating articles for these candidates at this early stage is premature. According to Wikipedia's notability policy for politicians WP:NPOL, candidates who win the election and become Members of Parliament will inherently meet the criteria for notability. Therefore, it is recommended that these premature articles be deleted, this article is same as previous AFDs: Kompella Madhavi Latha, Neeraj Tripathi. Grabup (talk) 16:27, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 20:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chioma Rowland

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The subject of this article fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO. She is only known for being the wife of Davido. She does not have a notable modeling or chef career. This article is pretty much WP:PROMO. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 14:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:ANYBIO, COI oozing right on this one. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Written like an autobiography, the article is basically just WP:PROMO. BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 15:24, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per BerryForPerpetuity Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 15:30, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per BerryForPerpetuity and per WP:NOTINHERITED. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:03, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject seems to have received coverage mostly due to her marital status/relation to a famous singer. She's not a notable/famous chef, nor a known model, and can be dubbed as a social media influencer only due to her relationship with her husband. X (talk) 01:17, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:47, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dushyant Dubey

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As per the previous AfD, this article fails WP:GNG and WP:BLP1E. The two users who wanted this article kept was a sockpuppet and the page creator themselves. John Yunshire (talk) 11:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom Okmrman (talk) 04:05, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The subject seemed notable when I had created the article but now I am not sure thus I am going to abstain from this AfD. Centralknights (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per everyone above. Orientls (talk) 14:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 18:28, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ab Sadeghi-Nejad

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After the cruft was removed, it seems there's nothing that supports WP:NPROF. - UtherSRG (talk) 10:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. No significant independent RS coverage that I could find. Only hits in WP:LIBRARY are his research papers and a quote in Men's Health about growth hormone therapy. His book is self-published and I couldn't find any reviews. That leaves us with WP:NPROF criteria. I think the research impact criterion is the only one that might apply, but I'm unfamiliar with the subject area so will leave that for others to evaluate. Jfire (talk) 14:47, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Jfire, others, I do not see signs of significant academic impact here. I see on Google Scholar several papers with a moderate number of citations, but in a medium-to-higher citation field. (Even in a lower citation field, I'm generally looking for several papers with more citations than the highest cited one I see of his.) Awards listed in the article are all WP:MILL, as is membership on an editorial board. I was cursory in checking NAUTHOR and GNG, but did not quickly see a pass. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 18:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sadeghi-Nejad is one of the most notable experts in the field of pediatric endocrinology, globally, and his publications support that. A niche medical field does not have the same number of citations as more general research areas. In addition, the book Dreams of Persia is an important contribution to Persian-American culture and linguistic heritage. KatMaldon (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2024 (UTC) — KatMaldon (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

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Delete: Based on the discussion above and given his citation numbers, I'm not sure we're at notability. I don't find critical reviews of his books, so there wouldn't bee AUTHOR notability either. Oaktree b (talk) 15:07, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 05:20, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Emaan Singh Mann

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Fails WP:NPOL, subject was never elected in any of the contested elections, and fails WP:GNG too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:46, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being the father of a notable person doesn't confer notability. The subject fails to meet WP:GNG criteria and hasn't been elected as an MP or MLA which fails WP:NPOL. As previously stated regarding Indian politicians, these articles are premature and should be deleted. Referencing past instances like Kompella Madhavi Latha and Neeraj Tripathi underscores the need for deletion. Grabup (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:16, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis Sempebwa

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Sequentially an article that is written with many links and ref layout so impress editors and readers. A general overview of this articles shows its failure in meeting general notability guidelines. The articles told us that subject of it is a writer, but it's also credibly that it goes nowhere to WP:NAUTHOR. The books doesn't seem to have significant coverage or reviews to indicate a generally critically accepted written work. Aside from that, most of the books were published by his 'press' which doesn't meet notability and seems to be cited also in the article.

No coverage at all for his impact in the filed. In general, it doesn't meet WP:ANYBIO for inclusion, please analyse the sources before commenting. Some of the sources doesn't necessarily approves the word it's citing or let me say, "unreliable". Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 23:04, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kommentar: Some of the currently cited sources are written by Sempebwa or published by organizations related to him, which is not suitable to establish notability. But some of the sources (e.g. The Monitor, Pulse Uganda) seem to be independent. I can't tell from the sites' own "about us" information, and in light of the somewhat laudatory tone, whether these can be considered "sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy" (WP:RS), though. Cnilep (talk) 03:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cnilep, I do agree with you. Also, Pulse Uganda can be sometimes fact checking but not in this tone. Example, in WP:NGRS, the pulse NG is used mostly not on bios since they are usually promotional and all lies with other subsidiaries of Pulse. I think they are best for film and music reviews and lifestyle. Also in the pulse article, the author was pointing "according to his website" and thus, indicates that they aren't verifiable yet. The promotional time is always huge that one notices it and ask whether it is paid for because it doesn't cover any SIGCOV. IMO, the article can still meet notability in the future but not now. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - there are some allegations of notability, but it needs much better sourcing. Bearian (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. For failure to pass WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG criteria — CactusWriter ^(talk) 01:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lars Rönnbäck

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Doesn't seem to reach WP:NACADEMIC. All of the reference are to their own company website, own publication or the usual academic databases. Scopus shows H-factor of 5, with highest number of citation for any paper being 26, for a 2010 paper. The affiliation at Stockholm is unclear, as they have no web presence there (suggesting that they are not a principle investigator). The prizes look like routine conference early career development prizes, insufficient to establish notability. The maths book doesn't seem notable either. A merge to Anchor modeling could be considered (their most notable contribution perhaps), but wouldn't help the subject at that page. Klbrain (talk) 16:16, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is a bit harsh. Is there no other notability criteria that can be deemed suitable? Sauer202 (talk) 16:24, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Löschen. Clearly does not pass any WP:PROF criterion (and in particular not #C1, because the citations are not high enough in a high-citation field). He (or someone with his name) apparently won some local teaching award in 2010 [15] but that doesn't pass #C2. We have no independent in-depth coverage of him needed for notability through WP:GNG and my searches didn't turn up any. One book would not be enough for WP:AUTHOR and we don't have any of the published reviews of it that (together with reviews of other books) could be used for notability that way. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:31, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: He is one of the persons "known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique" of anchor modeling.
Löschen Appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:PROF. The local teaching award is in neurology, so it was probably awarded to this Lars Rönnbäck. Sjö (talk) 08:32, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Kommentar: If you follow the connected Wikidata item (which was available at the time of your comment), you will see that you are confusing Q125678771 Lars Rönnbäck (data architect) with Q76738550 Lars Rönnbäck (Swedish neuroscientist). Sauer202 (talk) 14:52, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  No. I pointed out that there is a neuroscientist with the same name, and that it probably was the neuroscientist that recieved the award. That is the opposite of confusing them, so your patronizing is uncalled-for. Sjö (talk) 06:23, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand, but my point is that the article has never claimed that he received a neurology award. Sauer202 (talk) 08:08, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: He is one of the inventors of anchor modeling, a well-known data warehouse architecture, and is an active contributor in various open professional and social media channels about data warehouse architecture. I find it very weird that this should not meet any general notability criteria? Is this a competition about finding reasons to delete articles? Sauer202 (talk) 14:54, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Our anchor modeling article is entirely primary-sourced, and although searches for that term in Google Scholar have many hits, many of them appear to be for an unrelated technique in audio signal processing. I am not convinced that this is a significant enough contribution to give its inventor inherited notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 15:58, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't view anchor modeling as primarily academic, but primarily applied. It is true that the Wikipedia article about anchor modeling is sparse (and I plan to develop it further), but that can not be held against its creator. Anchor modeling is open source, and its concepts are taught independently by Nikolay Golov at Harbour.Space University.[16] Nikolay has many interesting videos on YouTube with interesting comparisons of data vault and anchor modeling. Anchor modeling is the only data warehouse modeling technique that is 6NF, and therefore I think notability is inherited to its contributor. Sauer202 (talk) 16:38, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If you think it's not academic work that he might be notable for, then you need to go through our notability criterion for people notable for non-academic work, WP:NBIO. That requires independent publications that provide in-depth coverage of the person, seemingly even harder to reach in this case. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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I have tried to add independent sources. Can you make a new assessment of whether it meets the threshold? Sauer202 (talk) 08:48, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jemal Gokieli

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For me, it doesn't pass WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. If someone could bring satisfactory sources, it would be a fair one. Twinkle1990 (talk) 15:30, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:ANYBIO #3 with an entry in the Biographical Dictionary of Georgia, which is itself sourced to the Encyclopedia of Georgia [ka]. Jfire (talk) 02:29, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as well as the entry in the Biographical Dictionary of Georgia, there is an entry in Musical encyclopedic dictionary / Ch. ed. G. V. Keldysh. - M.: Soviet Encyclopedia, 1990. - p. 139 - ISBN 5-85270-033-9 (referenced in the Russian wikipedia article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:12, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:05, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Cook (energy market strategist)

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Given this article has had verification issues for nearly 12 years, and the fact that none of the sources satisfy WP:GNG mostly because they either lack WP:DEPTH or aren't independent. Allan Nonymous (talk) 12:58, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I found one article on G-Scholar that he co-authored that has >400 cites, but nothing else that would meet NACADEMIC. In general searching, beyond the usual LinkedIn and Youtube entries, I found only a few interviews, and some notices of talks. Nothing indicated GNG. Lamona (talk) 15:48, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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John Lukas

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This ahs been in CAT:NN for over 14 years. I thought it was borderline, but I couldn't find enough coverage or significance to show he meets WPBIO / WP:GNG. Boleyn (talk) 06:33, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mike Horner (actor)

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Wining just the AVN award still doesn’t mean his notable. Subject still fails WP:GNG. Can’t find any news about him on Google. Maybe that was why no other references were made to the article than the current of which they are three but still doesn’t meet WP:GNG. Meligirl5 (talk) 19:38, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Johnny Rahm

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Subject fails WP:GNG. Made some Google research about him. I can’t find any sign of notability or reliable source talking about him. Meligirl5 (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I searched for info under Johnny Rahm and his non-stage name Barry Rogers. Other than the one source cited here as #1, I could find no other sources. Most personal bio facts in this article can be sourced to that one article. I was not able to confirm his acting award, but due to the lack of other sources I do not think we have reached GNG. Lamona (talk) 04:02, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 01:08, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Garrity

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I couldn't find enough to show he meets WP:N. Boleyn (talk) 17:37, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: one of the sources is by, not about the subject. another source quotes, but is not about the subject. there simply isn't significant coverage. -- D'n'B-t -- 17:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable soldier/public servant. No SIGCOV of the subject, just brief mentions. Mooonswimmer 19:29, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Single viable ref is a passing mention. Nothing else of significance. scope_creep^Talk 09:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Priyadarshini Raje Scindia

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WP:BLP that makes few claims to notability other than her marriage to a notable politician. Recent coverage relates to her campaigning in the current Indian election, hardly demonstrating significant coverage. AusLondonder (talk) 08:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. She has done notable work for the society. (https://www.travelandleisureasia.com/in/people/interview-with-tl-champion-community-empowerment-priyadarshini-raje-scindia/). Shobhit Gosain ^Talk 17:43, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Married to politician does not establish notability. The subject has not made significant, interesting, or unusual achievement enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Fails WP:N. RangersRus (talk) 12:31, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article lacks sources to prove the subject's notability beyond her marriage to a politician. Being mentioned in a newspaper, journal, or magazine doesn't always guarantee notability. She has made little independent notable achievements for an article. ZyphorianNexus (talk) 13:30, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: At most, this page could be merged with that of her husband. — TheWikiholic (talk) 18:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete' per WP:NOTINHERITED. Unless she is the subject of significant coverage, see Chasten Buttigieg, a spouse of a cabinet member is not independently notable. Bearian (talk) 18:08, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Star Mississippi 00:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greg Flynn (businessman)

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Most news seems to be about his company Flynn Group and its restaurants/ acquisitions rather than him. He was briefly in the news regarding the California minimum wage issues and seems to be only known for that. Shinadamina (talk) 05:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is substantial coverage out there about Flynn. The article just has to be expanded. Thriley (talk) 13:48, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree with the nominator, most of the articles are about his company or are primary with quotations. The Forbes article and QSR Magazine seem to be the best coverage, but they both contain lot's of quotations and based on primary info. Hkkingg (talk) 15:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep https://www.forbes.com/sites/amyfeldman/2016/08/24/the-super-sizer-how-greg-flynn-became-americas-largest-restaurant-franchisee-with-1-9b-revenues/ shows ample coverage just about him. https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/how-restaurateur-navigating-pandemic talks about him. Dream Focus 18:46, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Forbes article is OK, but Stanford is an interview. Yolandagonzales (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this. https://www.entrepreneur.com/franchises/greg-flynn-owns-1245-restaurants-and-makes-2-billion-a/333187 Lot of detail about him. Dream Focus 19:17, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Entrepreneur article is almost entirely based on quotations, so it is the same as interview and considered unreliable. Rustypenguin (talk) 09:14, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is plenty written about him, it not just quotes. And interviews are fine for confirming notability. A reliable source thought the person notable enough to write about and/or interview. Interviews are only not seen as reliable for content in an article because they are a primary source. Dream Focus 12:51, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please share where you have seen that policy that states interviews are fine for notability? I saw someone making this same argument once before, but all participating editors/admins decided there was not such a policy. Rustypenguin (talk) 20:47, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

...Primary sources are excluded for WP:BASIC and WP:GNG, so unless it verifies a claim in the additional criteria (ANYBIO, ENT, SPORTS, etc) I don't see how that would work. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:10, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Primary sources are usable for content in an article though, for straightforward statements of fact, without undue weight, and with caution if basing longer passages on them. If we had to make a simple statement one way or another (as we loathe to do) PAG is basically the exact other way around. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:15, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete - Forbes articles looks OK. Stanford is an interview. Most other sources are about the company. Notability is not inherited. We should consider making a page for his company The Flynn Group. Yolandagonzales (talk) 20:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The company this individual founded, not the founder himself, is what is notable here. A review of the citations here only shows there are few that provide in-depth coverage of this individual. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 23:54, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Only 1 source is in-depth which is Forbes. The rest are interviews or passing mentions. I vote to delete. Rustypenguin (talk) 09:11, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agree with above editors. Although there is some news coverage, they are not the right type of coverage. They are mostly interviews, quotations and primary. Perfectstrangerz (talk) 16:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Greg-Flynn-Owns-1-245-Restaurants-and-Makes-2-13900429.php SFGate gives significant coverage about him and his accomplishments. Dream Focus 18:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The SFGate Article also contains many quotations and appears to be based on an interview. It is unfortunate that wiki policies do not count interviews towards notability, but we must follow the policies. Rustypenguin (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see Wikipedia:Interviews#Notability. I don't see anywhere against interviews being used to determine notability. Coverage is coverage. A reliable source thought they notable enough to cover, then that counts. Dream Focus 01:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep So, the sources are really obvious and are already in the article. I was planning on adding these really in depth and obvious indicators of notability to the article, but they were already there, leaving me perplexed.

These sources are entirely about his life. Yes, they're also going to talk about the company he founded that literally is named after him. The fact that he founded such a successful business is what makes him notable. And, yes, news articles about people are going to include quotes from them. That doesn't make them interview articles. An interview is an article that is entirely just question and response. None of these are that. The claims made by those above would be equivalent to saying Jeff Bezos isn't notable because any article about him is also going to discuss Amazon. It's nonsense. That's not how notability works. Silver seren^C 23:24, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep enough of the sources have in depth coverage of Greg Flynn. Zenomonoz (talk) 02:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The Forbes might be OK, I guess, the first few paragraphs look fine, and given it's written by staff it's RS. QSR, I can't see any sign of independent thought. I'm skeptical it even counts as an RS tbh, WTWH seems to be a brand marketing company? Editorial process? Random Entrepreneur contributors are similarly not even RS, at least the Forbes article was written by bylined staff. Even if we pretend both are RS, what's independent isn't significant, and what's significant isn't independent, they're entirely unusable. Alpha3031 (t • c) 15:48, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:44, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brendan Lopes

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Doesn't meet WP:FILMMAKER or WP:BIO. The subject has coverage only for winning a private island. No other significant coverage on his works or states any importance for an article. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 09:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:SIGCOV and WP:BLP1E. None of the sources are reliable and independent, except CBC, so by definition this isn't significant coverage. What's left is a single incident that has no lasting legacy or coverage. I add that we very frequently delete articles about producers, directors, and DJs, all of whome are run of the mill. Bearian (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete the only significant, secondary, independent sources are all rehashes of the same story and cover Lopes in the context of the competition he won. Simply participating in or winning such competitions, lotteries, and game shows does not make one notable. Per the CBC article, Lopes "makes video content for businesses by day and is a DJ at clubs and private parties by night". He is far from being a notable filmmaker or DJ, with 0 coverage of his "works". Mooonswimmer 18:42, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:43, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sunarso

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No significant coverage or importance on the subject to have an article. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 08:59, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:GNG. There is no allegation of notability. What have they done beyond working in business? Bearian (talk) 12:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Being a president director of a prominent bank does not confer automatic notability. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 05:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anurag Sinha

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I initially tagged this for UPE for cleanup but after it was challenged by two SPAs, and at the request of one, I dug further into cleanup. The issue is that the references, other than this, are not reliable to show notability. Everything is mentions, WP:NEWSORGINDIA, press releases, churnalism, interviews, or otherwise unreliable. I removed some WP:FAKEREFerences prior but kept everything else in tact so the AfD could be judged based on how it sits currently. CNMall41 (talk) 04:29, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@CNMall41

I think you are indulging in provocation to prove you’re correct. Please refer this case to senior editors and administrators for opinion. My knowledge about Wikipedia rules is limited. However this nomination for deletion seems fishy. Hope fellow editors will objectively contribute to sort this, whatever is right.

Request to refer to the Talk Page of Anurag Sinha to understand the case. His notability and credibility is vouched and acknowledged.

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@Fixing001, Don't worry this ADF discussion will surely closed by an Administrator of Wikipedia. Grabup (talk) 17:48, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @CNMall41

I would really like to contest your decision to provocatively send the article for deletion, while I was engaging in a meaningful conversation with you in the talk page. I will also request the inclusion of other editors and administrators to have a look at this case as I feel that this step may have been influenced due to reasons while this could have been avoided certainly for an actor who has a valid presence and calibre in the indian films industry.

Please have a look at the references right from 2008 till 2023 where these references are attributed from TOI, Press Trust of India, ANI News, NDTV, Organisational bodies, Etimes, Recognised Production Houses and International Film Festivals, Directors and fellow actors from the industry of India.

While some citations may come from a list of as you call “Paid Media”, there is a plethora of other google search articles and references in the article where the subject is not in ‘Mentionary terms’, but actuality a major point of interest.

Articles by reputed journalists of India, like Mr Subhash K Jha, Mr Khalid Mohammad and other prominent journalists have done interviews and wrote articles on ‘Anurag Sinha’. His recent Best Actor Award in International Film Festivals is also merited by TOI and PTI, ANI News, The Week, Zee5 News etc.

While, you discredited the article and the subject 2 months earlier accusing of Paid Creation, why did you not send it for deletion then itself when proper cleaning of language and any inkling of promotional intent was also removed by myself.

I had only requested you remove the “paid template” and present any transactional proof made by the user/article subject for creating the page, to which there is still no evidence provided by you. You have stated the ‘creator of the page’ has been flagged, but that does not mean that all articles created by the creator are false and paid, when the merit of this particular artist/actor is recognised by a mass audience and people of his industry.

However, I again repeat that today seems out of hasty decision, you have altered the article by your edits which are not justified. This article is on my watchlist and some removals are uncalled and was not needed at all. While you also have wrongly exercised your rights to put templates and send the page for deletion. Why?

Also, for clarification of my interest in the article, I certainly am interested in the work of actors and indian film industry and will want to contribute positively towards it.

As a responsible Wikipedia editor, I again would address you to clean the page, if you find it dissatisfying. According to me, all current references are reliable third part sources that are not just mentioning, but are talking about the subject or acknowledging the achievements of the subject.

I trust this process and hopefully this matter will be justly resolved. I will also invite other editors and experienced editors to engage in its resolution.

Thanks Fixing001 (talk) 14:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article must be uploaded back and edited with supervision. The article subject is legit. DSTR123 (talk) 05:35, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It appears to me that DSTR123 and Fixing001 might be the same individual, given that the DSTR123 account was created today following this nomination and has only posted this comment thus far. Grabup (talk) 17:42, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Grabup:, They likely are. SPI filed here. I believe the image uploads are a pretty good trail of breadcrumbs. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Based on my checking, I've discovered that sources are only WP:NEWSORGINDIA and press releases, sponsored articles, and interview pieces can't establish notability at all. The individual clearly doesn't meet the criteria outlined in WP:GNG due to a lack of comprehensive coverage on the subject. Grabup (talk) 17:40, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

’’’Keep’’’ - The article subject has a 16year career where he has recently won Best Actor Awards in his field at International Film Festivals in New Jersey and Toronto. The notability can’t be debated with the individual being working with premium indian production houses like Mukta Arts, Emmay Entertainment, Applause Entertainment, T Series etc in leading roles with directors and co-stars who are also having a sterling background.. like Subhash Ghai, Anil Kapoor, Nikkhil Advani, Shefali Shah, Purab Kohli etc. The article references are cited from the premier news agencies of indian media viz..Times of India, HT, Rediff, The Week, Press Trust of India, ANI News, NDTV, Money Control, The Print etc. Mostly all the articles in India media are cited with references from the above agencies, if that’s the case, we may need to delete every article in Indian Films section.

This article must be added with citations available in the public domain and be made available. It’s a KEEP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fixing001 (talk • contribs) 08:19, 28 April 2024 (UTC) struck sock vote --CNMall41 (talk) 22:38, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - There is enough information on public domain for the credibility of the actor. The article needs more citations. Not all artist must have a comprehensive coverage, consistent qualitative work over a sustained period with accreditation from international film festivals and other platforms must be taken in account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40E5:1041:EA04:B517:90B9:EDEE:D31E (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with various significant roles in notable productions (one for which he was nominated for a FF award; another that received minor awards; which also contributes to prove the roles were significant); his role in P.O.W. – Bandi Yuddh Ke can also be considered significant. So, at least 3. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 21:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As with other AfD's I have requested this, can you show me the specific references that show notability? Simply having "various significant roles in notable productions" does not grant notability, it only says they "may be considered notable." --CNMall41 (talk) 22:45, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- The actor debuted in a leading role with one of the most renowned and controversial director of Indian Film Industry, Subhash Ghai where he was nominated for Best Actor at FilmFare Awards. He has a list of projects where he has worked in leading roles with premier directors like Nikkhil Advani Radhika Rao etc. He has exhibited credible performances in numerous productions, some of them being immensely popular and genuinely praised for acting performances, like the ones in Black & White (2008 Hindi film) Sanam Teri Kasam P.O.W. – Bandi Yuddh Ke Kaun Banegi Shikharwati Mannphodganj Ki Binny Shadow Assassins etc. The actor has demonstrated acting calibre at par with the likes of his co-actors like Anil Kapoor, Naseeruddin Shah Lara Dutta etc. There are references available on the public domain. For Shadow Assassins, he has won Best Actor Awards.

Here are just some of the articles that are published where the actor is talked and discussed in a positive prominent light and not merely in mentionary terms. This merely are a few articles from only one of the indian publications, Times of India, TOI Entertainment.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/kill-terrorism-not-the-terroristshubash/articleshow/2849557.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/anurag-in-black-and-white/articleshow/2917175.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/genres-dont-matter-says-anurag/articleshow/3184943.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/i-think-i-can-handle-the-curiosityanurag/articleshow/2864389.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/actor-anurag-sinha-to-marry-on-nov-19/articleshow/5156245.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/anurag-sinha-wins-best-actor-award-feature-for-shadow-assassins-at-alternative-film-festival-toronto-altff-2023/articleshow/104649337.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/subhash-ghai-feels-inspired/articleshow/3973118.cms?_gl

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/star-plus-p-o-w-bandi-yuddh-ke-gets-3-new-faces/articleshow/56625506.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/anil-is-jealous/articleshow/2787866.cms?_gl
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/another-honour-for-subhash-ghai/articleshow/3900541.cms?_gl

Again, all this issue of notability was only brought by the editor who flagged the article, when was requested on the Talk page to remove the paid templates as there was no citation of proof for payment by the artist in discussion for a period of two months or so. I still am not clear why is it happening here, where the article on this actor in discussion can easily be expanded with reliable reference and citations that are available on the public domain.

My perspective - The India media is suffering with the malady of copying and publishing information from one source to another and is suffocating genuine talents and films with the issue of paid marketing and publicity. If Wikipedia doesn’t provide a platform like its own of credible acknowledgement to authentic artists/talents, soon must find it surfeit with articles on Arts & Entertainment , that are already influenced and published under bias and discreet funding from production houses. Why are we not calling out the ones overtly known ? As for this article, this feels like a pitiful hassling over an unjust removal of a credible and relevant indian talent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Centrepiece12 (talk • contribs) struck sock vote Dreamy Jazz ^{talk to me | my contributions} 22:13, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Times of India is totally not reliable when it comes to BLP. They are known for their paid editing and promotional material. See WP:TOI and WP:RSN archives. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 17:56, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I went through all the sources cited in the article. Can't find any that satisfy reliability + independence + significant coverage. Most of the sources are about the movies the subject played a role in, with trivial mentions of him interspersed. I doubt the notability of the movies too, These are sponsored stories [17][18]. This is an interview. So not WP:IS. Alternative Film Festival best actor is not a significant award or honor. The article is just deliberate and malicious refbombing. — hako9 (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- The article must be reassessed. The references are from the most read publication of India, TOI. Barring a few, the references are credible enough to abide by WP:NACTOR. The actor has worked as protagonists in films that have been notably popular. The present article is acceptably consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40d2:103a:b4e6:2d76:969:3718:41d3 (talk • contribs)

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Delete - I don't know where all the "keep" votes are coming from. Anyways, not enough reliable sourcing to establish notability, and there is possible paid editing. HarukaAmaranth ^春 _香 12:14, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Poor and unreliable sources. The actor's work has not been significant and unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. RangersRus (talk) 13:04, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The actor has been honoured with Best Actor awards at Film Festivals and nominated for best actor award at Filmfare, India. Sources as checked are abiding to WP:SIGCOV with sources being secondary and abiding by independence of the subject.References are found to be consistent.References that are not paid and independent sources.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/anurag-sinha-wins-best-actor-award-feature-for-shadow-assassins-at-alternative-film-festival-toronto-altff-2023/amp_articleshow/104649337.cms

https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/bollywood/story/anurag-sinha-not-big-b-to-play-sarabjit-in-subhash-ghais-next-215349-2013-10-23

https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/striking-it-hot-with-black-and-white/story-snmGGlHB2ytv86PqxNxauN.html

https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/story/entertainment/anurag-sinha-marry-girlfriend-nov-2568467

https://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/subhash-ghai-s-sarabjit-biopic-to-have-newbie-anurag-sinha-as-lead/story-WyHBMQcK21qJf8zcb0mstL_amp.html

https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/anurag-sinha-to-play-sarabjit-in-subhash-ghais-next-614525/amp/1

The article can be expanded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40E4:1047:11C:F8F7:A83:EA0A:22DF (talk)

Same person with a similar IP address rang is repeatedly commenting and voting to Keep the article. The sources provided only offer passing mentions and lack in-depth coverage of the subject. The Times of India is considered unreliable for establishing notability. Probably sockpuppet of @Fixing001. Grabup (talk) 09:16, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's not significant coverage. And read WP:SYNDICATED before posting gazillion sources that are from IANS churnalism. — hako9 (talk) 00:58, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The article is satisfactorily credible and seems factual to the achievements of the actor. The actor has worked in lead roles in successful Indian films and shows with respectable directors and production houses. Confirms to WP:NPACTOR WP:GNG. Many of the references are reliable and credible sources of information in the Indian media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:40C4:101D:80A8:8000:0:0:0 (talk • contribs)

Again, vote from the same IP range, with the same type of comment, and without providing any sources. This AfD is being targeted by the creator or a team who were paid to retain the article, or the subject himself is doing this. These IP votes should be avoided. GrabUp - Talk 13:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BEFORE found similar, listings, name mentions, promo, nothing that meets WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong independent reliable sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 12:47, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Consensus that subject fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Keep arguments were mostly based on WP:OTHERSTUFF. — CactusWriter ^(talk) 22:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olanrewaju Smart

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Fails WP:NPOL (WP:NSUBPOL), sources are mostly WP:ROUTINE and WP:RUNOFTHEMILL. In short, the offices being occupied by the subject do not guarantee notability under WP:NPOL and fail WP:GNG too. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Chief of Staff to the Speaker, House of Representatives is a notable position in Nigerian politics. His successor Jake Dan-Azumi also has a Wikipedia article. Batmanthe8th (talk) 17:46, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Batmanthe8th Oh, thank you for bringing my attention there. Under what criteria do you think COSs are notable? They do not fall under any and have to pass WP:GNG which this one and the one you have pointed me to utterly fails. Even the COS page is AfD-worthy. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 18:47, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I recall accepting the COS page a while back on the generous side due to its notable role in Nigerian politics. I didn't nessesarily imagine the individual people getting their own articles unless they were notable for something else, though. TheBritinator (talk) 23:22, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: being the Chief of Staff to the Speaker, House of Representatives and Senior Special Assistant to the President are notable positions. I know all of the Senior Advisor to the President of the United States are considered notable, so why not Nigeria especially that this article have good sources to confirm WP:42 FuzzyMagma (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Six out of 8 of the current sources are pieces about being the new chief of staff which do not pass SIGCOV. I am sure all the senior advisors to the President of the United States are not inherently notable, but they all appear pass GNG clearly. This is not the case here. This subject is not inherently notable and also fails GNG. Also, CoS to a HoR is not to be compared with a CoS-ish position to the President of a country, who is the number one citizen of that country. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:06, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is where we differ. I think some positions make you inherently notable even if there is zero English sources. If I can draw parallels, for academic being a Fellow of the Royal Society automatically makes notable, regardless. You are within your rights to disagree especially that the Wikipedia:Notability (politics) has failed. FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:26, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — Fails WP:NPOL.Chief of Staff must meet WP:GNG OR any other WP:SNG. Shoerack (talk) 12:07, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - A Senior Special Assistant to the President of Nigeria, with past experience as United States IVLP Alumni of the US states dept, Chief of Staff in the 4th highest ranking public office in Nigeria has strong notability in the country's public space. I think consideration and necessary concessions should be given. 102.91.69.137 (talk) 01:36, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This subject does not meet NPOL; he is not elected for any public office, he is not a member of any cabinet (in the state or national level), he is not a legislator or a judge either. The entry needs to have enough sources to meet GNG; sources there are also press releases and his opinion published elsewhere. The keep !votes are contrary to NPOL. Best, Reading Beans 20:21, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Vodacom#"Please Call Me". The content is retained in case editors want to reorient this article to be about the court case instead of being a BIO. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nkosana Makate

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Product of WP:BLP1E. Yes, the subject has been making the news in the past few months but this is all just 15 minutes of fame. WP:ATD, a redirect to Vodacom#"Please Call Me" would make sense. dxneo (talk) 00:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kommentar this case been in the news for years, not months. It has been extensively covered in WP:RS for that time. So the nomination description of it as “15 minutes of fame” is inaccurate. Makate may, or may not be notable in terms of WP:BLP1E but the case almost certainly is. Park3r (talk) 03:29, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Park3r, the case may be notable. However, I don't think Nkosana Makate is, the article is composed of this particular case only. Opening statement says "…is a South African who proposed the "Buzz" idea to Vodacom", no description nor WP:SIGCOV, and back to the nom, this is a clear BLP1E. Until relevant sources are brought to light, I think redirecting the article to Vodacom is the way to go. dxneo (talk) 04:50, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not sure I understand the deletion rationale here. The case is definitely notable and as much as Nkosana Makate may not be notable but he definitely deserves a mention in the case because after all he is the central figure to the case. Also, seeing that most articles on Wikipedia are about Europe and U.S and there is a serious lack of African content (including content on languages) I think it would have been wise for you Dineo to be bold fix the issues on this article and go on to translate it to your mother tongue than tag it for speedy deletion. Wikimedia ZA is there to support African Wikimedian like yourself to increase African content and languages on Wikipedia. Please reach out to me on [email protected] to talk more on how we can support you. Bobbyshabangu _talk 18:36, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Bobbyshabangu, yes he may be the central figure but this is pure WP:BLP1E (meaning he's known for one event only) which is the deletion rationale here. I wouldn't have nominated it for deletion if there was something I could do to improve it. Nkosana Makate is already mentioned on Vodacom#Please Call Me. Note that your comment does not support your "keep" !vote in any way. dxneo (talk) 19:35, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Vodacom#"Please Call Me". I find the nominator's argument that this is a WP:BLP1E situation convincing. Jfire (talk) 02:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Vodacom as per nom, not enough here for a standalone page.-KH-1 (talk) 03:21, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect: as suggested above seems fine. One small paragraph covering the individual should be enough. Oaktree b (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Makate v Vodacom or similar. The case meets WP:GNG, having generated extensive WP:SIGCOV over a sustained period in WP:RS and extensive legal commentary in journals, and made it to the Constitutional Court. Park3r (talk) 00:28, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Vodacom#"Please Call Me" per nom. BLP1E, fails WP:SIRS, nothing found with SIGCVO addressing the subject directly and indepth that would indidicate this is anything other than a BLP1E. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 15:39, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ebrahim Etemadi

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Ebrahim Etemadi likely doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Additionally, the mentioned sources might not be reliable enough. Waqar💬 19:25, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Three of the citations presented (2 Farsi and 1 Enlglish) seem to be OK. The Persian version of this has 17 citations and I saw some Ok ones there, such as 1, 2. We can't just assume because something is in a foreign language, it is unreliable. He seems to be well known in his country.Yolandagonzales (talk) 09:09, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article do not meet WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth, BEFORE found nothing that meets WP:SIRS. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 18:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. There are well-made arguments on both sides and neither prevails in quality or quantity. Stifle (talk) 08:12, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Unaegbu

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I came about this article during clean up and saw it's contains a bit vague and non verifiable content. Taking into cleaning up, I became tired at the line seeing almost if not all the sources lacks editorial guidelines, perhaps doesn't go with our policy and guidelines for reliable sources.

On the other hand, apart from the quality percentage of primary sources linking to book that were self published in the platforms such as Amazon, etc., the article generally doesn't meet WP:GNG, no WP:SIGCOV, and it contains a bit hoaxes that were made (those like references/acclaims which I have removed when cleaning part of the article). The article in general doesn't conform with Wikipedia's inclusion for authors, journalist too—since he edited a magazine and has written for some magazines per the article. Lacks verifiable source and seem looking like a advert/promotional/vaguely constructed source, and more.

The books he wrote doesn't meet our guidelines for books, so we may try redirecting or WP:PRESERVE albeit there is nothing to be preserved here. I also discovered the previous AFD that reads 'no consensus', and it seems there were no improvement or rather say; the previous AFD seeking for clean up which I've did to some part and found no substantial need for the inclusion of this article. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 01:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I once looked at this article and realized that it was created when some of the links verifying some information were not yet dead links. It was created in 2010 or so. For such kind of articles, caution is required. I saw that he was mentioned by the Nigerian author, Chimamanda Adichie in the New Yorker Magazine and he was involved in creating the Occupy Nigeria protests online. There is also some newspaper articles (see Newswatch) on his writings, especially his poem on Lagos, said to be the longest metrical poem by a Nigerian. I think it needs serious clean up and I may help to find his recent activities. Royalrumblebee (talk) 16:28, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Royalrumblebee, dead links doesn't mean anything. There is the Wayback machine for saving pages to archives. While you argue about being mentioned by notable Nigerian writers, it's not a criteria for notability. Almost all the references are links to his publications and things about him were written from a PR which is no shadowed to the eye. In any case, provide me with the links that credibly show this article meets notability. — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 11:03, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Ok. I found some of his academic publications, including two in JSTOR. But I will look for articles about him, and really- I share your opinion about making sure articles meet notability to remain in this encyclopaedia. Note: see https://orcid.org/0000-0001-6285-4800 Royalrumblebee (talk) 11:08, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Royalrumblebee, that can't be a source. It's a database. — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:58, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Oh ok @SafariScribe. I see The Punch as a reliable Nigerian newspaper and it talked about him as a celebrity in depth here (https://punchng.com/nigerian-entertainers-born-october-1/). I also see Daily Trust as another reliable Nigerian newspaper and it told the in-depth story of how he and other two writers (Gimba Kakanda and Richard Ali created the Occupy Nigeria group that online-remotely organized the protests in Nigeria in 2012 (https://dailytrust.com/the-occupants-of-nigerias-harmattan/). I also see Newswatch (Nigeria) as a reliable Nigerian newspaper made a full page review of his book and it states in its first line as well as in details later that "Jeff Unaegbu's This Lagos Na Wa has set a record as the longest poem written by a Nigerian! (https://web.archive.org/web/20120504135846/http://www.newswatchngr.com/editorial/prime/bob/10326094437.htm). Other reliable newspapers that mentioned him only in passing are the American magazine The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/culture/personal-history/notes-on-grief);
  
  This Day here (https://www.thisdaylive.com/index.php/2020/09/15/james-nwoye-adichie-1932-2020);
  
  Daily Post (Nigeria) here (https://dailypost.ng/2014/05/02/ekweremadu-donates-transformer-nsukka-community/);
  
  There are many more, but less reliable links that mentioned him in depth such as this (https://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,61413.0.html). I have already inserted in the article his direct activities as a journalist reporting for Vanguard (Nigeria).
  
  My honest opinion is that inexperienced editors added a lot of unreliable links such as amazon over the reliable ones and so the article only needs serious clean up. I have seen articles in Wikipedia held by just one reference that is not as reliable as the ones I saw on this article. I have included the reliable links above already too. Thanks. Royalrumblebee (talk) 04:32, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Royalrumblebee, all these sources doesn't link or explained the article like one. For example, a source can say "John Doe is a Nigerian writer who was awarded an MFR by the president of the country. He hasbeen recognized in .....". Then another days "John Doe said he was awarded an MFR by president Doe. In a speech by the president, the world revognised many people and John Doe, standing at the outside asked who is the president." In both sources, the first one seems to he verifiable, significantly covered albeit requires multiple confirmation. It also was taking about John Doe,while the second was taking about an event he attended while giving much view on the president. The thing about John Doe was reported by him—so it's not verifiable. I believe this can help though not broadly covered. Thanks! — Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 15:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
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https://punchng.com/nigerian-entertainers-born-october-1/		A reliable national daily in Nigeria	The source discusses the subject directly and in detail	✔ Yes
https://dailytrust.com/the-occupants-of-nigerias-harmattan/		A national daily that is has majority of readers from Northern Nigeria	This is an interview-like article talking about #OccupyNigeria and not necessarily about this subject	✘ No
https://web.archive.org/web/20120504135846/http://www.newswatchngr.com/editorial/prime/bob/10326094437.htm	?	The source is a major newspaper	~ The article mentions the subject briefly, but does not offer much detail; talks mainly about the book	? Unknown
https://www.gistmania.com/talk/topic,61413.0.html	This is an interview	Gistmania is a gossip blog without any editorial started		✘ No
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The table above was prepared in response to Royalrumblebee. If we want to talk about book reviews, maybe, someone should write an article about the book itself. With the sources I see, the entry does not meet the general notability guidelines. Best, Reading Beans 14:11, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Based on the source table, most appear to be non-RS. "Being born on October 1st" is about the best source, but that's not enough. I don't find anything further. Oaktree b (talk) 13:39, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't looked closely at the sources, but I wanted to point out that WP:NAUTHOR allows people with multiple notable books (per WP:NBOOK) to have articles even without biographical coverage. In the sources listed here, I only see one contributing to NBOOK -- the Newswatch review of This Lagos Na Wa -- but I wanted to suggest that those interested in a "keep" should look for a second review of that and additional reviews of his other books. I think Achidie's mention of Biography of Nigeria's Foremost Professor of Statistics, Prof. James Nwoye Adichie in "Notes on Grief" is probably not enough to contribute to NBOOK for that specific book, but it might have reviews. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 02:46, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is that all written was his books where many are self pubs. WP:NAUTHOR also covers being covered per WP:GNG. Strongly, we know this article contains vagues of uncited words. Also trivial mentions doesn't meet notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 08:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep:

Notability as per WP:ANYBIO which allows people with major awards to have articles: His book, “Ode on Lagos” won a national award. This is the Association of Nigerian Authors/ Cadbury prize. This was reported in page 35 of a Nigerian national newspaper, The Nation (November 30, 2011). Below is the online link as hosted by The Nation newspapers. Please turn to page 35: https://issuu.com/thenation/docs/november_30__2011/1

His book, “Freedom in Our Bones” also won a national award. This is the Nigerian Universities Research and Development Fair award in 2008. It is reported in a national newspaper: Edukugho, E. (2008). “Third Nigerian Varsities Research Development Fair: Matters Arising”, Vanguard, April 3, P.43. It is available in the offline archives of this newspaper on phone request but there is no online link yet.

Notability as an academic or creative professional as stipulated in WP:AUTHOR: The subject is an academic as well as a creative professional. He is cited by many scholars as per WP:AUTHOR which allows multiple citing of a subject as proof of notability. This link leads to his book, “92 Days” being cited in an article, “Nigeria’s Leadership Questions: A Re-Appraisal Of Key Issues, 1961-1990”: https://journals-co-za.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/doi/10.31920/2753-3204/2023/v1n1a4 Another book he wrote, “Fifty Years of African Studies: A History of the Institute of African Studies, University of Nigeria, Nsukka (1963–2013)” is cited thus: https://ebin.pub/transformations-in-africana-studies-history-theory-and-epistemology-1032277475-9781032277479.html

He is cited in JSTOR too (Journal of the Historical Society of Nigeria, Vol. 27, 2018, page 36: https://www.jstor.org/stable/48561674?searchText=jeff+unaegbu&searchUri=%2Faction%2FdoBasicSearch%3FQuery%3Djeff%2Bunaegbu%26so%3Drel&ab_segments=0%2Fbasic_search_gsv2%2Fcontrol&refreqid=fastly-default%3A161914275d5e91e6c796bf7c807fce36&seq=13

Notability as per WP:NAUTHOR and WP:NBOOK: Aside from the review of his book, “Ode to Lagos” by the national Newswatch, the article indicated that his book, “92 Days in Power” was reviewed by Professor Christian Opata in page 40 of the national Nigerian newspaper, Daily Sun of Friday 19 December 2014. This review is available as shown:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1A2ZsX_N3K5iih_8jOB2K3bpwhrOgCvNy/view?usp=sharing

Notability as per WP:GNG: The subject has also been mentioned in depth by more national newspapers aside Punch as already mentioned above. Here are two from two different journalists:

Prof. Ozioma Onuzulike. (2007). “I write to Put Right the Wrongs_ Jeff Unaegbu”, Sunday Vanguard, April 8, P. 48.

Oge, O. (2011). “Poet Harps on Need to Educate Young Poets”, Nigerian Compass, Wednesday July 20, p. 16. The two above came from a bibliographical iindex list in a University library catalogue offline and I confirmed them as a journalist. There are no online links yet.

There is a long bio of the subject in this journal: https://themuseunn.com/guest-lecture-writing-and-publishing-trends-in-the-new-decade-mr-jeff-unaegbu/

Most of his books cited via amazon links would have to be changed to the more authentic links from the New York Public Library as shown: https://www.nypl.org/research/research-catalog/search?q=jeff%20unaegbu

And Stanford university library: https://searchworks.stanford.edu/?search_field=search&q=jeff+unaegbu

I will help do the clean up now. [ Diamondsee (talk) 16:32, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Passes WP:NAUTHOR for having their work reviewed on Newswatch and making significant contributions in his field, which is evident from WP:BEFORE. @LEvalyn I definitely agree with you on this. For several reason, I am not comfortable !voting for deletion here. I have taken over 1.5 hours doing BEFORE and have come to this conclusion. I have also personally reviewed short stubs about American authors who I deem to pass WP:NAUTHOR just exactly with the same minimal coverage this person has and having their work reviewed by INDEPENDENT RSs SIGNIFICANTly. The person and his work were reviewed by Newswatch and there's also a bit of SIGCOV at Punch, these two, is enough for me to write a stub. This person appearing in so many other sources (whether reliable or not) also shows a sign that they've made significant contributions in their field. Deletion is not cleanup for Christ's sake, and that is all this article needs. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 10:49, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To line up Diamondsee's sources with NBOOK criteria, what I see here is:
- NBOOK#2 (major literary award) for Ode to Lagos and the ANA award // 1/2 of NBOOK#1 (2 reviews) for Ode to Lagos with Newswatch review
- 1/2 of NBOOK#1 (2 reviews) for 92 Days in Power with Daily Sun review

The various citations don't really play a role for NBOOK. I don't think that's strictly an NAUTHOR#3 pass, since NAUTHOR#3 (significant body of work) is typically met through multiple wiki-notable works. Looking at the citations and other coverage, though, I see the case for NAUTHOR#1 (regarded as an important figure, widely cited) or simple GNG. I still haven't done any looking for sources myself, but I share Vanderwaalforces' sense that I have seen useful articles with similar or worse sourcing. I also increasingly suspect that the best sourcing will have been in print rather than readily available online. ~ L 🌸 (talk) 22:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 01:39, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iftikhar A. Ayaz

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:PRIMARY: "Do not base an entire article on primary sources, and be cautious about basing large passages on them." No secondary sources at all. AusLondonder (talk) 07:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep. Clearly meets WP:GNG. @AusLondonder: Have added reliable secondary sources to the article now. Request withdrawal of AfD nomination. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:09, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of the sources you have added, I'm not sure a single one is actually significant coverage of him as an individual. One source is the Court Circular column in the Daily Telegraph which reports he awarded an Tuvalu Order of Merit to Prince William. Another article is about persecution of Ahmadis in Pakistan which name-checks him. I'm not seeing this as meeting WP:BASIC: "People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject." AusLondonder (talk) 14:32, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Iftikhar Ayaz easily satisfies criteria #1 of WP:ANYBIO, having received honours from Queen Elizabeth II as both a Knight Commander of the British Empire (KBE) and an Officer of the British Empire (OBE). On top of this, Ayaz satisfies WP:GNG, with significant coverage in multiple secondary sources, including this 2016 feature article published by AllAfrica.com, "Tanzanian Bestowed With Honours by Queen Elizabeth", which covers his entire life in considerable detail, from his early life and emigration from India to Tanzania; to his education in Tanzania and teacher training in Kenya; to his early career as a government education officer in Tanzania; his graduate studies in Britain; his return to Tanzania to found the Tanzanian Commonwealth Society; and his activism as a member of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community. (Please log in to Wikipedia Library to read the full article on ProQuest.) The 2015 article in Rabwah Times, "Dr. Iftikhar Ahmad AYAZ awarded Knighthood by Queen Elizabeth II" covers additional detail about his work with the United Nations. Of course, in addition to all of this, as Honorary Consul for Tuvalu to the United Kingdom, he is frequently quoted on issues including climate change (such as in this 2007 article in Herald on Sunday in New Zealand "BRITAIN Plea to stop atolls sinking into Pacific", plus many others now cited in the article including the brief quotes in The Daily Telegraph and The Wall Street Journal Online. This article was in terrible shape when it was first nominated for deletion, but has been improved considerably (with room for further improvement and expansion), and overall it's quite a remarkable story of a life of a notable living person. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep -- specifically per Cielquiparle's analysis of criterion #1 of ANYBIO. Central and Adams (talk) 16:33, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please be aware that ANYBIO #1 does not establish notability. WP:ANYBIO states clearly that "conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included." We still need significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. AusLondonder (talk) 17:29, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - now adequately sourced for both GNG and ANYBIO1. Ingratis (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, holding a KBE is clearly sufficient under WP:ANYBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 17:33, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kommentar. KBE is not clearly sufficient for ANYBIO1, and regardless the subject should still have received multiple pieces of IRS SIGCOV per N. I'm not totally convinced that the brief announcement in Rabwah is sufficient to meet the "multiple" aspect here. JoelleJay (talk) 02:46, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, it easily meets WP:BASIC, ::If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability. Cielquiparle (talk) 03:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above discussion. KBE is an indication, but not per se evidence, of notability. In any case, this meets SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 23:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 18:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ossanda Liber

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Fails WP:NPOL and WP:GNG. Sources mostly cover her in the context of her unsuccessful candidacies (of which in one she received 84 votes out of 109,350 cast). AusLondonder (talk) 14:30, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kommentar - I translated this article into English from Portuguese as part of Women in Red. This page is much longer than Nova Direita, perhaps it could be merged. Moondragon21 (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Moondragon21 When you translate an article, please check it. The tables of election results had broken templates and looked a mess. I have commented out that code, so the tables now look tidier, even though they don't have a coloured bar for the party. PamD 07:39, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete an unsuccessful candidate not otherwise notable. SportingFlyer T·C 16:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep I think coverage of her activity as founder of the new party probably makes her notable. PamD 08:15, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A unsuccessful political candidate that is not notable enough. BlakeIsHereStudios (talk | contributions) 03:45, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: as PamD said being founder and president also makes me think she's notable

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Not sure how being the founder of a minor party which received 0.25% of the vote indicates notability. AusLondonder (talk) 23:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 05:59, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Dring

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PROD requested, but denied for being Grammy nominated. However, WP:ANYBIO requires winning once, or being nominated multiple times. Is twice good enough? I read multiple as something greater than two. So, fails ANYBIO. Even more, none of the references pass WP:SIRS, so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO. Sources are database entries and press releases. No significant coverage. Jfire (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete — to add to what UtherSRG said, he was nominated for one Grammy, not two, together with four other people. Also, the article is by a banned sockpuppet and paid editor, which we shouldn’t reward. — Biruitorul ^Talk 18:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As per this link [19], as well as the Grammy nomination, he has been nominated for a Golden Globe. Also - clearly WP:MUSICBIO applies here. ResonantDis_tortion 19:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep With named nominations for ~~two~~ three notable awards, that is sufficient to meet WP:MUSICBIO#8. There's also sufficient WP:RS to show the subject meets WP:COMPOSER#1. I have cleaned up the article including removing non-RS citations and adding several more, which may not be multiple lines in depth but do contribute per WP:BASIC, so any "whiff" of paid editor contribution no longer applies. ResonantDis_tortion 23:14, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment per the Billboard reference just added to the article - Dring was a named credit in the nomination of the Feel Good Inc. Grammy award. So he does have two Grammy nominations, plus the Golden Globe; I've updated my !vote. ResonantDis_tortion 15:47, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Per ResonantDistortion. X (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Subject specific guidelines are for guidance only - every topic has to meet WP:GNG when WP:AFD is invoked. It seems unlikely that we will find WP:SIGCOV about him. Fails WP:GNG and WP:PROMO. 2A02:AB88:4C01:7500:84E:6485:B66C:DC73 (talk) 22:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Löschen also per WP:NOTINHERITED. Article is rife with the requisite heavy namedropping and coattailing (Jamie T in particular) in attempt to cover for lack of individual notability and weak press-release sourcing. Being nominated just once for a soundtrack song all the way back in 2010, signing an agreement, and his recent production for an unknown indie artist (Terra Twin) aren't enough for SIGCOV. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 00:20, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(1) "all the way back in 2010" The date of the Grammy nomination is irrelevant as per WP:NTEMP, (2) Dring has been a Grammy nominee twice not once, the first in 2005, which is verified by a RS in the article, (3) The reason the article is "rife with the requisite heavy namedropping" is because the subject has made credited and verified contributions to a number of notable works, (4) two credited grammy nominations does rather indicate that notability by association does not apply, and (5) There are c. 14 words devoted to Jamie T, which does not appear undue, given that, for example, on the album Trick "sees Jamie T play all instruments alongside longterm collaborator James Dring" ([20]). I know I am probably repeating myself, but WP:BASIC, WP:MUSICBIO and WP:COMPOSER all apply. ResonantDis_tortion 07:23, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:MUSICBIO and fails WP:GNG. Can’t find independent reliable sources giving significant coverage. Contributor892z (talk) 05:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The article has been edited further - which includes a certain mount of tidying up, but also more text and RS that confirm further songwriting/composer credit on notable works. ResonantDis_tortion 22:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: the producer has worked with lots of notable artists and worked on notable songs and albums, however he doesn't seem to have the individual notability required to have an article. He has passing mentions in many references, but few of these could be called significant coverage of the subject himself. InDimensional (talk) 10:55, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdul Ameer

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This guy fails both WP:GNG and WP:NCRICKET. A search seems to only one article with his name in it and it only covers him tangentially. Allan Nonymous (talk) 23:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete samee converse 01:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I found several references using this search by focusing my search on Dawn.com, a leading English-language newspaper in Pakistan. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sources here seem to all be tangential coverage of him playing for his team. The first hit isn't even of Abdul Ameer but of a M. Abdul Ameer who seems to be unrelated. Allan Nonymous (talk) 13:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete too poor to stay on Wikipedia, not much to salvage around here. Acartonadooopo (talk) 20:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Acartonadooopo, it's the English Wikipedia's rule that Wikipedia:Deletion is not cleanup. It doesn't matter whether the current version of the article is "too poor to stay on Wikipedia", because the question here at AFD is whether the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia:Separate, stand-alone article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:59, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers Not sure I'm seeing enough in a search to suggest a WP:GNG pass, however there could well be offline coverage. Suitable redirect per WP:ATD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rugbyfan22 (talk • contribs) 19:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Sources likely to exist in Pakistan; taking 100 first-class wickets is no mean feat. AA (talk) 22:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Sources likely to exist" is a WP:THEREMUSTBESOURCES argument. Allan Nonymous (talk) 15:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect, zero SIGCOV to be found and no evidence that anything exists offline. JoelleJay (talk) 21:38, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect. Nothing found or presented which meets SIGCOV. This is a BLP. Subject has received bare mentions from a single source. Everything else is unsupported assertion and a stats database. BusterD (talk) 20:40, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Nothing found in article or in BEFORE which meets WP:SIRS addressing the subject directly and indepth. Found listings, name mentions, nothing meeting SIGCOV. BLPs require strong sourcing. // Timothy :: talk 14:52, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Karachi Kings cricketers: Subject does not have the WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 18:00, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 08:21, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mehr Hassan

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Fails WP:Notability Wikibear47 (talk) 17:42, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Has been in multiple films that seem to have wikipedia articles of their own. As per: WP:ARTIST, criteria 3, that should probably be enough.

also, seems like this is the 3rd nomination. User:Sawerchessread (talk) 17:59, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The newspapers used now in the article for sourcing are all there is for this person; I don't see notability beyond the local level. I can't find any mention of them otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 19:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The fact she has been seen on multiple movies which has a wikipedia page doesn't qualify her to have a wikipedia page. This is just like the case of Lucy Grantham (2nd nomination). The subject Mehr Hassan fails WP:GNG. Her first AFD which was keep was just a two vote of keep which was still saying because she appeared in a movie. No independent reliable source, No award won or being nominated as an actress or dancer. I really don't see anything notable. --Meligirl5 (talk) 17:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with significant roles in multiple notable films. The Louisville Courier article too makes a case for notability. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does having just one reliable source qualifies a person of having a Wikipedia page?

Hassan started her dancing career as a stage performer in the United States.

How do we believe such statement with no reliable source.?--Meligirl5 (talk) 00:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Meets WP:NACTOR, which is clearly the applicable guideline. rspεεr (talk) 14:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. WP:NACTOR appears to hold here for now, although perhaps the articles for the films she starred should be reviewed for their notability. The bottom line is that long as those films are notable, she is, if barely. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:00, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets WP:NACTOR at this point for the roles in notable films she starred in. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:07, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Löschen: The subject's claim of appearing in numerous films lacks verifiable evidence, thus failing to meet WP:ARTISTS. The available coverage appears to be routine per WP:ROTM and lacks the depth required by WP:GNG. —Saqib (talk | contribs) 15:57, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Courier-Journal article wasn't routine, and by what sources we have, Hassan was in these films, noting that the sourcing of the related film articles was light (thus my 'Weak Keep'). I suspect however that her appearance in some of them was exaggerated to make it appear she was a lead when she wasn't. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:52, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Löschen as no evidence of any notability, The Courier-Journal is great however unfortunately it's no where near enough to establish notability, Not sure if her roles have been major or minor but either way I cannot find any evidence of any notability, Fails NACTOR and GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 15:50, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NACTOR says "The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films" and we know she was in several notable films (i.e., films with articles). If you're saying the subject fails NACTOR, are you saying these linked films should be reviewed in AfD? Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 16:58, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But NACTOR states The person has had significant roles in multiple notable films which I can't see reflected here. —Saqib (talk I contribs) 17:01, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The "Partial filmography" in the article links to five notable films (currently adjudged by Wikipedia) and I suppose it's our opinion as to whether her roles were significant in them. It's part of why I say "Weak Keep" as I don't want to overjudge. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to say whether she fails NACTOR #1 but personally I would say she does and despite the The Courier-Journal link imho she still fails #2 too, FWIW all of her roles could've been one-bit/minor roles so article linkage doesn't mean anything here, (and leading on to your last point nicely) There's just not enough info to determine whether she meets NACTOR #1 or not but either way I would obviously say she still fails #2, Thanks. –Davey2010^Talk 17:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In NACTOR, it says #1 oder #2. The subject doesn't have to meet both criteria to pass it. I accept that we would need to judge whether the roles are significant but as it was difficult, source-wise, to drill down on these films, I don't want to rush to judgment, thus my "Weak Keep". I still say the key here is to look at the film articles and see if they should be kept. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've checked the articles and their sources as well as looked online - The Gold Bracelet is just about notable with the rest not being notable so imho one notable film and one notable paper cite is still not enough irrespective of what role she played, I guess the article can be redirected to The Gold Bracelet if really desired,

You're more than welcome to search for these films for yourself and judge for yourself, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 17:54, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for welcoming me to do something I've already done. :) So, if only one film is notable, why do the others have articles? (can be taken as a rhetorical question) Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 17:57, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome. If you've searched these articles before now then why the fuck are you here questioning their notability ?. Go nominate them if you think they're not notable.

Because get this Stefen - some articles go undetected and unnoticed, ever thought about that ?, I suspect not :). –Davey2010^Talk 18:06, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also for future reference go read WP:BLUDGEON. You've !voted keep so as such you don't need to reply to every single delete !vote regurgitating the same line again and again. –Davey2010^Talk 18:08, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a discussion, and it is eminently reasonable to challenge a position. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:11, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the need for you to be cross with me here. I have been professional and I expect the same in return. The fact that the articles exist show that they are currently presented as notable subjects, whether they deserve this determination or not. I may well prod the articles in question, but for the time-being, they cannot be dismissed. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:09, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No indication of significance. Fails WP:NACTOR. Perhaps WP:TOOSOON, but there nothing here to indicate a pass on WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 12:44, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Passes criteria for WP:NPROF — CactusWriter ^(talk) 23:36, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leopoldo Soto Norambuena

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Article is based entirely on work by the subject and has no evidence of third-party notability. Almost identical to article previously speedy deleted and salted as Leopoldo Soto * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 18:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete I am inclined to think they may be notable, but just across the line. --Bedivere (talk) 19:07, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Improve (an unusual vote). Based upon just his publication record he does not qualify (he publishes as Leopoldo Soto), and I could not verify his appointments listed in http://pppp.cl/contenido/investigador.php?varbajada=1. However, with a bit more digging I found https://www.cchen.cl/?p=7217&highlight=Leopol which has more notable information, but I am using Google to translate from Spanish. I think some more digging (and possibly improvement) is needed first by a native Spanish speaker. (Android visual editor messing up?) Ldm1954 (talk) 22:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – I agree with the nom's arguments. There is a lack of independent sources that would meet WP:ANYBIO. If we're going with GNG, I'd vote delete. However, I'm a bit more hesistant in regards to this article on a WP:NPROF basis. The most recent deleted revision of the salted page mentions that they are a Fellow for the Institute of Physics. This is literally wikilinked as an example of meeting criteria #3. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:14, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you, which is why I voted Improve which to me is a version of Keep. I find it very strange that the page was edited to remove key information that is an automatic #C3. While these were unsourced, removing them I consider to be very harsh. Ldm1954 (talk) 06:21, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
N.B., I just reinstated with sources the key awards that were removed. Ldm1954 (talk) 07:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, revised vote. After adding a few sources and restoring his FInstP he qualifies under #C3. Ldm1954 (talk) 17:45, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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