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Entire IP range vandalizing and disrupting tons of Wikipedia pages.

2603:8001:B202:3294:0:0:0:0/64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log)

This entire IP range is vandalizing several articles without hesitation and stop. Many of these accounts are sockpuppets that target the same articles, but not only that, it seems that just over the past 24 hours, the IP range has started to vandalize article's talk pages, user talk pages, personal user sandboxes, personal user archives and several Wikipedia articles as well, of course.

This IP range is already blocked from 2 articles, but I would suggest to block the entire IP range from editing anything in Wikipedia (anon-only) as the disruption will never start.

Here you can see just some of these examples. Affected pages just within the last 24 hours (except from the Croatian Kuna page, as the range was blocked from there 3 months ago):

He can be also related to a recent sockpuppet investigation where you made an intervention, as mentioned by the user @Farell37: but I won't go further into that as I didn't investigate anything. But it's really strange how these accounts from this IP range are targeting the same pages that were related to the SPI closed a week ago.

I have reported this to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents but if any admin can do something before this user makes more harm it would be grateful. This user also seems to break WP:NPA in their own talk page when asking to be unblocked from the partially blocked pages: Unblock me, if not, you are a Catalan separatist! WikiEditor1890 (talk) 19:49, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Editor merging discussion threads at Talk:Meat

I've noted on that page that the editor merged 2 separate threads on the talk page, in my view highly undesirably, and also against policy. Should we leave it, revert to the previous structure, or what? I see he's getting warnings on his talk page about other matters, so it might be necessary to go further. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd suggest hatting the massive wall of text - it's a barrier to discussion. Girth Summit (blether) 14:26, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea, please do that. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:36, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policy regarding snippet view sources

Hi Girth Summit, hope you're doing well. Can you please tell whether or not snippet view sources from Google books (i.e those with no preview or full access available for either of the parties) can be used in case of content dispute? Thanks in advance. Sutyarashi (talk) 06:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Sutyarashi: (talk page stalker) I don't see how this would be any different than citing any other source – WP:PAYWALLed sources are perfectly acceptable, as are offline ones. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Cost for further information.
I noticed that you say that the editors involved are only using Google Book snippets and none have full access to the text. I don't think that this is strictly nessecary given that what can be accessed is verifiable. There have been a few times where I've cited a page of a book this way. The only thing that immediately jumps to my mind as a possible issue is if there's reasonable concern that somehow this text in isolation is misleading or not providing adequate context. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:05, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Basically what Clovermoss said. The source isn't the snippet, it's the book - sources don't need to be available online. Generally, I'd expect the person citing the book to have access to it, and to have read more than what they can get at with a Google snippet - taking a tiny chunk of text stripped of any context would risk misrepresenting the author's intent, but without any further information I can't comment on any of the specifics. Girth Summit (blether) 09:11, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, the quality of Google Snippets can vary dramatically. Some snippets will let you see pages while others will only show a paragraph. I'd find the latter situation more dubious. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:36, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've sometimes seen ones that aren't even a whole paragraph - just literally like three lines of text. It all very much depends on the context - having sight of a snippet of text from an authoritative architectural guide might be enough to confirm that a particular building is of decorative gothic rather than perpendicular gothic design, but it would be very unlikely to be enough to confirm anything even uncontroversial about a BLP, or about biomedical effects of a particular chemical. Girth Summit (blether) 09:44, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Three lines? Wow. I suppose I've been lucky in that I usually come across a few pages at a time when it's been nessecary. I agree that context matters here. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:48, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Girth Summit @Clovermoss specifically I was talking about latter kind of sources (such as this), which allow only a few lines to be read. Are these really ok in case of a content dispute? Sutyarashi (talk) 16:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see what that particular snippet could possible support - it looks like it's just part of the index of a book. The book itself might be a reliable source, I don't have a view on that, but I don't see how that particular bit of any book in and of itself could support any assertion. Girth Summit (blether) 17:35, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) It might be usable in a dispute over the spelling/romanization of a name, but wow, that provides even less context than I was imagining from “three lines”. At any rate, from the occasions on which I’ve tried to verify something and ended up at a snippet view, I guess there’s been sufficient context to satisfy me (one way or the other) in well under half of them.—Odysseus1479 20:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not even for that - bereft of any context at all, and index wouldn't support the assertion that the spelling it is using is connected to the word you are trying to spell. If I tell you that the proper English translation of the French word 'merde' is 'toast', and linked to the index of a book about bread where it gives page numbers that mention toast, you would laugh in my face, and quite right too. If I told you that the correct spelling of the word 'advice' was 'advise', and did likewise... you see where I'm going. An index is a useful part of a book, but it is not a useful citation. Girth Summit (blether) 20:31, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I might argue that proper names are a bit different … but I won’t bother. ;) —Odysseus1479 20:45, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I missed the word 'name' in your last reply. Even then though, how would an index alone tell you that it's the name of the right person/thing, especially since there are often multiple ways that names can be spelled... Girth Summit (blether) 08:25, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Notice of reliable sources noticeboard discussion

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is The Telegraph and trans issues. Thank you. I am informing you because you have commented on a prior RfC on a similar issue. Chess (talk) (please mention me on reply) 03:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chess. I'll try to find time to look in on it, but that is a hefty discussion. Girth Summit (blether) 16:10, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alia8910

Here are my comments on what they were doing. This was a strange subspecies of a strange species of conduct that we recently have seeing coprolites from at Miscellany for Deletion. What we see at MFD is that someone, at some time in the 2010s, created an account. Then they copied a web page into either their user page or their user sandbox. The web page may have been a Wikipedia article, or something else. Usually it is copied as a stupid copy, a copy-and-paste that captures the character content, but not the formatting, so that the copy is ugly, and difficult to read. The user then goes away. That is, all that they did was to create the stupid copy. We don't know why they do this. In April 2024 or May 2024, an editor discovers the stupid page via a report. Sometimes it can be tagged for U5, but if it is a copy of a Wikipedia page, there may not be any criterion for speedy deletion. It is a redundant fork, but that isn't a criterion for speedy deletion. So, over seven days, a few editors agree that it should be deleted. Creating a stupid copy is an occasional form of stupid conduct. This was different because the person doing the misconduct created multiple accounts, and did the same misconduct from each of them. This may have occasionally been done in 2015 or 2018, but the IP address records are not retained that long.

So this was someone creating stupid copies from multiple accounts. Now, if in six months we see stupid copies of the same web pages, we will be able to do an microscopic examination of the feathers.

This was a strange subspecies of a strange species of misconduct. I don't know why it is done, but MFD is the cleanup crew. That is a partial explanation. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:35, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation - this all sounds like a pain in the bum. There really ought to be a G15 CSD along the lines of 'Stupid disruptive nonsense that somebody did one time and went away'. Come to think of it, that sounds like a somewhere between G2 and G3 - can you stick a G2.5 tag on them? Girth Summit (blether) 10:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your keen eye and hard work on sockpuppet detection. Wikishovel (talk) 10:10, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

G5

Hello, You CSDed Yubin Shin because the creator was a blocked user. However, and as I am sure you know, G5 does not apply in the case of pages substantially edited by others. I edited substantially the page and it took me some time. I clearly mentioned this in the Afd you closed....So can I ask you to kindly restore the text of that page either in my User space or, more appropriately, in a DRAFT? Thank you very much.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You made two edits to that article, which I did not consider to be substantial. With that being said, if you want to work on it, I'll be happy to restore it as a draft, give me a minute. Be wary of any new accounts that show up and continue to work on it - the original author is a prolific cross-wiki abuser, and I will not be surprised if they return to continue working on it. Girth Summit (blether) 13:31, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See Draft:Yubin Shin. Girth Summit (blether) 13:34, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks a lot! -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 13:59, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed

[1] Nobody asked for your telephone ducttape opinion, you onion housekey. DMacks (talk) 16:57, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Up yours, bookshelf auntie. Girth Summit (blether) 17:05, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Filing SPI cases

Hi Girth Summit. Thanks for the CU earlier. Do you think there's room for clarifying the instructions in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Inputbox blank report for ordinary use to include updating the case status, when that should be done, by whom, and the best way to do that? (If not there, perhaps in the collapsed instructions on SPI?) The instructions at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guide to filing cases § What happens in the case also make it sound like editing the case status is only done for cases already filed. If you'd prefer me to ask elsewhere, just let me know, but I wanted to ask someone familiar with SPI first. Thanks. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 03:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I remember the first SPI I filed - I made an absolute mess of it, and a CU basically ticked me off told me to tidy up after myself. I'm not sure it's got any easier in the intervening years, so yes I think that the instructions could be improved upon. My own personal advice is to use Twinkle to file cases - go to the userpage of the proposed sockmaster, or the proposed puppet, and choose ARV from the drop-down menu. Amongst the options it gives you is to report a sockpuppet or a sockpuppeteer - you then just fill in a form. There's a checkbox where you can switch request for a CU on or off, which will set the flag for you. I wouldn't even attempt to file one manually, I think I'd still make a mess of it. Girth Summit (blether) 12:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't be surprised if I was that CU; I never understood why it was so hard - not that that gave me the right to be nasty, though. Even now, I file SPIs using the instructions on the SPI page, which isn't exactly "manually". Twinkle is fine unless you want to add to an existing report, and manually isn't hard at that point and creates less clutter than Twinkle, which AFAIK, always creates a new report whether you want to or not. I'm constantly trying to remove clutter from a naturally cluttered world.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't you that I'm thinking of, but funnily enough... Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/MichaelMiletic/Archive. It took my a while to find my SPI feet! Twinkle is fine for adding to an existing case - even if the case has an open report on it, it will just creates a new report with today's date. The only thing it won't do is add a new sock to an open report, but I can just about get my head around doing that manually. Girth Summit (blether) 14:11, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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NPOV RFK Jr

Hello, I am talking to you because of a discussion in the RFK Jr wiki talk page about neutral point of view. I have also said this on Largoplazo and Ian.Thompson’s talk page. I noticed you on Ian.Thompson’s and thought you would know more about it. Since I am not an expert I have decided to go out and contact the experts so they can make their decisions on it. Thank you. Logawinner (talk) 02:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ian.thompson hasn't been around for years, unfortunately, so I don't think he'll be able to help. I have not particular knowledge of or interest in RFK Jr, and have no desire to enter into a discussion about our article about him. Rather than dropping notes on individual exitors' talk pages, you should go consider going to a noticeboard to make more uninvolved people aware of your concerns. WP:BLPN is where potential breaches of the biographies of living people policy, and WP:NPOVN is where to go to discuss articles that are not written from a neutral perspective. Girth Summit (blether) 07:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. Logawinner (talk) 20:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Potentially sockpuppet but no strong evidence

I'm uncertain about an editor who I suspect might be a sock puppet of Giubbotto non ortodosso. I've noticed that this editor appears to focus heavily on Chris Brown-related articles, much like Giubbotto non ortodosso did. In particular, they frequently edit the article on "Back to Love." Although it's just a gut feeling and I could be mistaken, I wanted to get your thoughts on this. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 11:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I take it that was who you were talking about? Found a sleeper too. Girth Summit (blether) 11:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's correct. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 11:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I regret to bring this up again, but it appears that the editor:[2] is almost certainly Giubbotto non ortodosso. After the other account was blocked, they immediately began editing the article Hmmm. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 12:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Girth Summit (blether) 12:31, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize if this is exhausting for you. They certainly do come back quickly. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 12:34, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's no big deal. I just peeked at their block log, since I wasn't sure why they were blocked in the first place - it was just a case of a temporary block for edit warring, and then block evasion. If they'd just waited out or appealed that block, they might still be editing legitimately. People make strange choices. Girth Summit (blether) 12:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I discovered Giubbotto non ortodosso because the sock puppet Justinaintime mentioned that DollysOnMyMind was another alias for Giubbotto non ortodosso. This prompted me to investigate further, and I found that Giubbotto non ortodosso consistently identified MariaJaydHicky in various articles. My curiosity about Giubbotto non ortodosso grew, and my suspicions were ultimately confirmed. Btspurplegalaxy 💬 🖊️ 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's right, I'm doing the dirty job instead of you (who were caught helping them get their vandalisms into protected pages). You're welcome. I'm blocked because I'm catching people that are actually vandalizing the encyclopedia, while I'm also adding legitimate content. I find this more strange than "not appealing the block" to people who don't even care to actually look (instead of just quick-peek) at the contributions, but rather spend time bragging about being mentioned in small Nigerian articles nobody reads. I just want to ask you one question - in what way your today's contributions improved Wikipedia? What kind of harm did you just prevent? 5.90.234.239 (talk) 13:09, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"You better catch that block-evading user that is doing his edits the right way, or he's going to warn us about another block-evading user that's actually vandalizing Wikipedia!! This absolutely must not happen!!" 5.90.234.239 (talk) 13:13, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you look a bit deeper than my userboxes, you'll see various ways I've improved the encyclopedia - I've written quite a few featured and good articles. Recently, admittedly, I've spent more of my time enforcing blocks than writing content, but I expect I'll bash out another couple of GAs this summer, and have been thinking about improving Second English Civil War and taking it to FAC.
Now, why do I enforce blocks? Because without them, this place would simply not work. There would be constant edit warring, constant abuse hurled back and forth, copyright violations galore, and an infinite number of crap articles about school football teams, web comics and people's mates' bands. If administrators block someone, other administrators need to be willing to enforce those blocks - which is what I do.
If you are willing to abide by your block and wait it out for six months, email arbcom and apply for an unblock under the WP:SO. Don't come complaining to me because I'm not willing to turn a blind eye to it. Girth Summit (blether) 13:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GS, I'm pretty sure that User:Clapham Crew (CC) is another instance of MariaJaydHicky. Can you check/confirm? I think you know them better than me. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 16:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep. Girth Summit (blether) 17:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. How sad. Drmies (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. Girth Summit (blether) 19:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Block evasion

Hello. After you blocked a sockpuppet Miagarciacs, an IP editor, 2A02:1406:57:D889:406F:55D7:5514:3C58 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), returned to the article to make the same edits.

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Another IP address this person used, 92.35.43.120 (talk · contribs · WHOIS), is currently blocked for 3 months. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 10:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've blocked the /64 and protected the page for a bit - ought to slow them down somewhat. Girth Summit (blether) 13:03, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DantheWikipedian socks

... are so obvious that I'm loathe to actually present evidence at SPI because I don't want to give them the opportunity to get any better at socking. Would it be alright if I just dropped a quick note on your talk page whenever I see said socks in action? — Callitropsis🌲[talk · contribs] 00:28, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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