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A word about genres

Just because a group or band has one or two songs that use EDM, or that drift into nu metal, or that have metal influences, doesn't mean they are now an EDM group, or a (nu) metal group. Genres are poorly defined at best, and having a laundry list of them in the infobox is not helpful. Please stick to trends and styles that are found throughout the majority of their catalogue, not just a few songs. Less is more. DragonFury (talk) 06:57, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I remember there was a consensus (I believe it was on WT:KO; if needed, one can dig through the archives) that specific genres must be reliably sourced within the body of the article and explicitly describe the group as a whole, rather than synthesizing individual releases, which would essentially create a laundry list and go against the consensus. Reading through this article, it appears they mainly focus on rock music blended with metal. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 10:27, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with both of you. Therefore, I think that the addition of metal is justified. We don't create a lot of genres, which clearly doesn't define Dreamcatcher as a whole. Instead, we just add metal to the rock and K-pop, as it shows up in a lot of Dreamcatcher releases, especially Japanese ones. Tatar on (talk) 13:28, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, even if we don't mean articles from trusted sources (but according to them, they also emphasize the rock and metal orientation of the band), but to the official Dreamcatcher account on Spotify, they define themselves as a dance pop, rock and metal group. Even on the Korean (and not only) wiki, the definition of the Dreamcatcher genre consists of rock (락), metal (메탈) and... dance pop (댄스 팝). Tatar on (talk) 13:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Musical Express (NME), an English music magazine, has characterized Dreamcatcher as "Armed with the sounds of punk-rock and metal, Dreamcatcher have been forging their own path in South Korea’s competitive music industry since their debut in 2017" [source]. In an interview with xportnews, member Dami described their group as a "rock-metal" band. She stated, "It wasn’t easy for the team to pursue rock metal. We were often torn between producing more mainstream songs or sticking to our original concept, but we felt that the direction we had been pursuing was well-suited to rock metal, so we pushed ahead with it. As a result, there are people who say they think of us when they hear songs with such guitar sounds, which made us confident that we are on the right track," ("또한 다미는 “팀이 록메탈을 하기까지 순탄했던 것은 아니다. 더 대중성을 향하는 노래를 내야 할까 기존 콘셉트를 유지해야 할까 고민을 많이 했는데, 추구해온 방향과 록메탈이 잘 어울리는 것 같아 밀고 나갔다”며 “덕분에 그런 기타 사운드가 들어간 노래를 들으면 저희를 떠올린다는 분들도 있어 ‘잘 밀고 나가고 있구나’ 확신을 갖게 됐다”고 록메탈 장르를 고집하게 된 이유도 밝혔다.") explaining the reason for their commitment to the rock metal genre [source].

Additionally, in 2022, Teen Vogue recognized their music as encompassing metal and rock styles ("...with edgy rock and metal productions...") in an interview and photoshoot with the members [source]. Furthermore, in an interview with Dailysports, Dreamcatcher members noted that they are perceived as a metal band, and they consider this perception a source of inspiration. Therefore, it's metal too. 178.205.53.101 (talk) 11:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Straight of the bat; statements made by the group's members are pretty much the dictionary definition of a non-independent source. They should not be used as a reference for determining the genre of music Dreamcatcher makes. As for the inclusion of metal as a genre; while DC's songs do use metal influences, I would not call the group a metal group. The closest they come to metal are the aforementioned Japanese songs, which only includes about a half dozen original songs, a very small fraction of their overall catalogue. There are quite a few references that do refer to them as metal, but those are general music publications at best. The group isn't featured in publications specific to the metal genre (such as Metal Hammer or Headbanger magazine in Japan), nor do they appear at metal festivals. To me, the current genres of K-pop and rock are sufficient for the infobox, and the metal influences that do exist in their songs should be included solely in the main text instead. DragonFury (talk) 11:59, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]