Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 July 5

July 5

File:Bathers with a turtle.jpg

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. Also, SLAM claims copyright; it's unclear how valid that is. grendel|khan 00:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep, this painting is the subject of its own page where the image is irreplaceable and illustrative (too many artwork nominations at once of major artists such as Matisse and Derain, please limit your noms, thanks). Randy Kryn (talk) 11:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - There are some odd quirks that come from the "publication" rule, and I believe the nominator is correct to question these images. There are definitely instances where a work this old can still be copyrighted in the United States. It's not super common, but it can happen, mostly when it comes to works first published outside the U.S., and usually only in select American states that are under the jurisdiction of the 9th circuit (you can read more here). Unfortunately, because WikiMedia's HQ is in California, that means all US WikiMedia entities are also subject to the 9th circuit's ruling. So to prove that these works can stay, someone would need to find the first instances of their publication abroad and/or in the U.S. If you check the Hirtle chart, I believe this work and the other Matisse paintings Lithoderm nominated would be categorized under "Works First Published Outside the U.S. by citizens of foreign nations" in the first "Special Cases" example ("1 July 1909 through 1978"). I would note that these deletion requests may seem a bit overwrought, but the nominator is not incorrect to point out the issue. Les Héritiers Matisse (the legal managers of Matisse's estate) still claim copyright over basically everything Matisse made and they're represented by the Artists Rights Society on U.S. copyright issues, so they clearly care about their copyright. Obviously they're probably just making broad claims to preserve (read: profit off) as much intellectual property as they can and ward off would-be re-users of the artworks, but they could definitely be right about any number of the works. I agree that Wikipedia would be better off if these images were kept. But without proof, we can't know for sure that these would pass legal muster as public domain in the (entire) United States. They can always be re-uploaded as non-free fair use images if need be. - 19h00s (talk) 22:21, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Pastebin.com logo.png

The graphic design would most likely not meet the minimum requirements for copyright protection and would therefore likely be free in the United States. Maybe you need to consider the minimum copyright protection in its country of origin. If it is in the UK or Australia, you need to use the target {{PD-USOnly}} and do not move it to Wikicommons. If the country of origin is Canada, use the template {{PD-textlogo}} instead of the original fair use label and move it to Wikicommons. Fumikas Sagisavas (talk) 02:24, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Status quo, keep as non-free. This is a complex design and IMO the page flip in the corner is sufficiently creative to push it over US TOO. -Fastily 09:21, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Derain CharingCrossBridge.png

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) grendel|khan 02:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Please take a minute to perform WP:BEFORE checks prior to making nominations. The painting was first exhibited in 1907. - Eureka Lott 16:10, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Derain - Portrait of a Man with a Newspaper.jpg

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) grendel|khan 02:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:1907, Vladimir Becic, Akt djevojke kod stola, ulje, Moderna galerija Zagreb.jpg

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) grendel|khan 02:55, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:André Derain - Arlequin et Pierrot.jpg

No publication information provided. (And definitely not "GPL".) Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) grendel|khan 02:57, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The painting is in the collection of the Musée de l'Orangerie, and their website says it was painted in 1924 and first reproduced in 1925. - Eureka Lott 16:00, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Albert André - The Concert - Google Art Project.jpg

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) grendel|khan 03:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flor Contemplacion photos

"File:Flor Contemlacion" is essentially a cropped and enlarged version of "File:Flor Contemplacion after arrest.jpg" and two non-free files providing essentially the same encylopedic information to readers aren't need per WP:NFCC#3a. The cropped version is currently being used for primary identification purposes in the main infobox of Flor Contemplacion while the uncropped "after arrest" version is being used in Flor Contemplacion#Background to arrest. The cropped file does appears to have been upload prior to the uncropped version, but the uncropped version does perhaps provide more context and is a true representation of the photo that was taken. For that reason, I think that the uncropped versoin is probably the one that should be kept except it source url doesn't appear to be working to allow for verification of WP:NFCC#4. Regardless of which of the two is kept, both aren't needed per WP:NFCCP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:14, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i uploaded the cropped version as a better quality version of the image that was on site for years, i guess you can remove the "after arrest" pic ? WorldTravleerAndPhotoTaker (talk) 19:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Garnelo-Cornelia.jpg

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) grendel|khan 08:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No objections...although I'll be putting it back, along with some of his other paintings, when his works become PD in January. WQUlrich (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Goldfish Matisse.jpg

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) grendel|khan 08:33, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep, this is a major painting by Matisse used on six articles, especially its own article where it is the illustrative lead image and thus is irreplaceable as the article's illustration. Aside from that, this is an artwork, created in 1912, and is in public domain in the United States where Wikipedia is published. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Henri Matisse - View of Notre Dame. Paris, quai Saint-Michel, spring 1914.jpg

No publication information provided. Just because this was painted before 1929, it doesn't mean that it was published then. (See Wikipedia:Public_domain#Publication.) Also, MoMA claims copyright; it's unclear how valid that is. grendel|khan 08:34, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, this is used as the non-replaceable image at its own article, per above. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:America Movil1.svg

Fails WP:FU#Multiple_restrictions: Non-free SVG logo from Brands of the World. Wcam (talk) 13:39, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Insel Air logo.svg

Fails WP:FU#Multiple_restrictions: Non-free SVG logo from Brands of the World. Wcam (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:HazbinHotel-Alastor.png

Dubious copyright-related information. Author/creator was listed as Vivienne Medrano, which is the creator of the show (Hazbin Hotel). However, following the fandom URL link provided by the uploader as the image source, the creator is “John write”, not Vivienne Medrano. Also, the description of the non-free image usage was “Promotional still of the character Alastor”, which seems odd, given it comes from Fandom and not the show nor the show creator. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 19:10, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Creator delete I'll freely admit this was a mistake on my part and I assumed it was a promotional still as per common for such subjects and not fan art. I do feel though the article in question needs a proper image, I may clean up a screenshot from the show for such purposes later.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit I've replaced the image per the above struck comment with a cleaned up screenshot, and adjusted the fair use rationale to reflect that as the source complete with a link to the video and a time stamp for additional verification. @WeatherWriter: I trust this will suffice now?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 04:18, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]