User talk:Bungy1804

July 2024

Hello, I'm Llammakey. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to HMS Churchill (S46) have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Teahouse or the Help desk. Thanks. Llammakey (talk) 12:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

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Why have you undone infomation that has replaced incorrect information My intention is to replace all info on Wikipedia that claims that there was a Churchill Class because there wasnt. The submarine are all the Valiant Class So what is not constructive Bungy1804 (talk) 12:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Can i ask if you are a submariner or ever served on a submarine never mind any of the five submarines of the Valiant Class. I did my part three on Courageous and served on her twice and served on Valiant for 8 years. There is no difference and what you are putting on Wikipedia is simply spreading dis information. There is nothing such as a Pump jet on submarines they are Propulsors which is a huge difference. The UK submarine guys are getting fed up of wrong information. Bungy1804 (talk) 13:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

I am going to give you untill this evening then i will change it again and come back with the Authority of the Royal Navy You are spreading Fake info Bungy1804 (talk) 13:25, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

This is not how Wikipedia works. You need to bring WP:RS. I don't care one way or another, just bring sources to back up what you are saying. Until then, you will be reverted, because right now it just looks like one person's wild claims. Llammakey (talk) 19:07, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Here is a page, User:Schierbecker/sandbox, where you can find sources that may back up what you are saying. Llammakey (talk) 19:11, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

Hilarious

listen how bizarre this is it is being talked about over the submarine community I will be changing it again and will continue to do so.

You are trying to embarrass the people like me who served on them and the pioneers. I am the chairman of HMS Valiant and of the 3rd Submarine Squardron for a reason. I have made far too many documentaries with the BBC about the submarine's we served on I served with and have the papers of the pioneers and people from the Moutbatton project and people who designed the submarines and people who built them

Let me put somethings into prospective. You have duff information and and you think it is correct and i am telling you it is wrong for starters there is no pump jet on any submarine in the world. A pump jet and a propulsor are two totally different things. You and who every you got the information from and i know where it was from is totally wrong. There is lots of correct information out there from the people themselves.

The issue and problem is people like you edit Wikipedia and you have no experience or clue about these subject

There is no Churchill Class submarines they are Valiants maybe listen to the documentary i made with the BBC with the actual people who were there from the start. This is hilarious Bungy1804 (talk) 19:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not disagreeing with you. I am not saying the article is correct. I am trying to explain to you how to present your info, with sources to back you up. Slapping run-on sentences and wild prose to the top of the article does not make you look like a professional. It makes you look like a vandal. There are other places to get sources if you do no like those ones. And as someone who has made documentaries, you must know that the good ones are well researched. So let's make this article a well-researched one. You claim to know what you are talking about, therefore you should know exactly where to go within the sources to find the information you need. Btw, you can claim to be Elvis Presley for all I know, but there is no way to prove that on the internet. If you actually did serve, you have my deepest respect, but then you would know there is a proper way to go about things. Llammakey (talk) 12:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Read wp:or, wp:rs and WP:ONUS, if you add unsourced material you will be reverted. Slatersteven (talk) 13:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Submarine Service

you may not know that the submarine service is called the silent service

You are aware of the 1958 nuclear mutral agreement treaty is dont you

There are reasons why there are no sources and why what you think exists doesn't . That's not how this works and is not how it's going to work. You have taken information from poor sources like RNSubs where I know the person who wrote all that and the current custodian of it now I have spoken to them this morning and watch what happens

The person who wrote all that crap you are taking as gospel was a submariner who had never served on or seen a Nuclear submarine yet you quote it as a credible source. Its amatur at best and makes a mockery of the hard work we all did

at 8 am this morning I was speaking with Dickie Cambridge who was a engineer who was onboard Valiant when it was being built and did all the trials and first patrols before joining Churchill in build. I have all the primary sources not some garbage that some idiot has written down and made up a reason for the words repeat Valiant Class when you do your submarine course you get your systems and part three book the repeat Valiant and Valiant are the same book there is no difference what so ever and I have explained why .

The very people who as part of the design team I have John's papers they are not for you as they are still classified. The hypocrisy that you try and tell the pioneers and the people who built the legacy and and created the submarine service we have that they cannot make the changes to stop us looking stupid is not something I am going to take notice of you about

Bungy1804 (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Its how WE work {read wp:policy). Slatersteven (talk) 13:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

And read wp:editwar. Slatersteven (talk)

Hi Bungy. I pinged you at the WP:MILHIST talk board. Hopefully someone from there who has more knowledge in the programs you are talking about can help you incorporate/edit what you are talking about. Llammakey (talk) 13:49, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

So Slatersteven that you for your concern but i had a quick look and i dont see how anyone in there is likely to assit and i am unsure what it is you want me to do . The information is absolutely incorrect and it has to be changed. This applies to all the five submarines of the Valiant Class.

The thought that this can't happen or that there is some process to go through is silly. Who legally owns the Wikipedia entry Bungy1804 (talk) 14:44, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I want you to read and obey our policies, any edit that goes against those policies will be reverted (and if done so repeatedly may be seen as wp:tenditious and may lead to a block), so get the sources we use to change their information or get your information published by RS. No one owns the content of any article. Slatersteven (talk) 14:57, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Mr Slatersteven. Liammakey I am the chairman of the HMS Valiant Association and you are talking about matters that i changed that are fake and not true. I was onboard when the so called incident that you claim happend where we were damaged and sadly we were not and i dont know where you got that from. I asked a question about who owns the rights to the Wikipedia profile and in fact the information you have used as it is not yours and must be right. I have today spoken with a MOD Lawyer and we discussed this whole matter and he is looking at what is written and will look into this further but it is highly unlikely that Wikipedia own the rights to the images or the content. He agrees that if anything is posted it A. has to be correct and accurate and B its contents must not breach any security of which submarines and their operations come out highly on the scale of things.

Sadly i am not being burligarant but what i am doing is ensuring that what is written is accurate and not breaching any Offcial Secrets Act 1911 section 1 and especially Offical Secrets Act 1989 which i can see you have breached. Please do not think i am going to go away and also do not think that a court wouldn't find in the MODs favour. This appears to be a very strange enviroment that controls this element of the submarine service Bungy1804 (talk) 20:34, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Then they (and you) need to talk to the people who we use as sources, as nothing in the article is unsourced. Thus we are not in breach of anything, the sources we use are, we are just repeating publically available information. Slatersteven (talk) 10:40, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at HMS Valiant (S102). Your edits appear to be disruptive and have been or will be reverted.

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you.Nigel Ish (talk) 15:38, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

New message from Serial Number 54129

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history § Churchill/Repeat Valiant. ——Serial Number 54129 17:17, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

July 2024

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making legal threats or taking legal action in this diff.

You are not allowed to edit Wikipedia while the threats stand or the legal action is unresolved.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Making legal threats

How is asking who owns what is posted incorrectly on Wikipedia threatening. I have the right to ask the MOD about what is printed in Wikipedia and to ask who owns the content. Your choice to block me is a clear attempt to suppress transparency and validity of content Bungy1804 (talk) 05:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

We both have plenty of legally granted rights, sure. However, you do not have any right to make legal threats on Wikipedia itself, and "please do not think i am going to go away and also do not think that a court wouldn't find in the MODs favour" is absolutely a legal threat. This block can be lifted by any administrator if you retract that threat and commit to editing within Wikipedia's policies and guidelines in the future.

To your concerns with Wikipedia's content: we require citations to reliable sources to verify content. As the latter link says, "[Wikipedia's] content is determined by previously published information rather than editors' beliefs, opinions, experiences, or previously unpublished ideas or information. Even if you are sure something is true, it must have been previously published in a reliable source before you can add it." We'd welcome any changes you'd like to propose that are based on resources which meet that reliable source guideline.

I hope this helps explain a few things. I'm here if you have additional questions. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 07:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

As you reiterated your legal threat below, I've removed your access to this talk page. If you'd like to appeal your block, you may follow the steps laid out at Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. I'd recommend reading Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks first, though. In addition to withdrawing your legal threat, you'll likely need to demonstrate that you are willing to work collaboratively to improve articles while adhering to our policies and guidelines. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 04:01, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Legal Threat

Legal Threat thats not a legal threat that is a statement based on a discusion with the MOD solicitor. I think you are bullying and trying block me from pointing out your violations and asking awkward questions. Pointing out that your content is inaccurate which is thus influencing others is something that you are not allowed to do. People use Wikipedia as a reference and people have incorporated that information in books they have written so there is a responsibility to ensure that the information is correct

I think you should have checked your source but clearly you didn't as you took the information from RN Subs as gospel when clearly it is not

The information about if the submarine I was on was damaged which source do you actually want people to find. This doesn't work like that you are also using my video on Wikipedia without my permission and if you looked at it closely there is no damage.

To actually rewrite the history of our entry into the nuclear submarine process is not acceptable but you are not prepared to listen. Am I and the MOD entitled to seek legal rectification yes we are. Is that the best way forward no but if it is the only option left then yes.

you are not prepared to discuss the matter like you were not bothered about doing due diligence when you used highly inaccurate information from a amateur source to portray that Wikipedia is accurate.

Now someone has actually come forward and pointed out the position you don't seem to like it and want me and the others who served on these submarines to do nothing other than print the facts make me and others in the Submarine community what else is wrong.

Maybe you should go back to your source and ask them to verify whats been written. You are making a fool off people who served on these vessels

Bungy1804 (talk) 08:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

You need to read our policies and listen to what you are being told. This is not going to get you an unblock, and in fact may lead to an extension to your own talk page. Slatersteven (talk) 10:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

And read WP:NOTDUMB. Slatersteven (talk) 10:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

the matter is being dealt with. If you think this is just me you should check online but ofcourse you believe that you own the images and content. No you don't . This format of discussion is a way of hiding Bungy1804 (talk) 11:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Last comment here (and as said more than once), it is not our images or content, it is all sourced to third-party sources. It is to those you need to direct your anger, all we do is relate publicly available and published information. If it is wrong, get the correct information published off Wikipedia, and then come back here with the sources. Slatersteven (talk) 11:16, 20 July 2024 (UTC)