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Infobox/common name talk

Hi Mick. The party's finished. Are you going to close the debate? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It might be worth someone else closing, an uninvolved admin maybe. I don't realy want this process to become attached to me. MickMacNee (talk) 13:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Chicken! Fair enough, well since you started the formalisation perhaps you could find a neutral admin to do just that. Sarumio is itching to get back to work... The Rambling Man (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, is ANI an appropriate place to request? MickMacNee (talk) 13:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd stick to WP:AN, it's not an incident really, just something needing admin attention when possible. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

That's what I meant of course ;). I'll post it now. MickMacNee (talk) 13:58, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. MickMacNee (talk) 14:09, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Chatham Pentagon bus station

Is owned by Medway Council and is under a very long lease to Arriva Southern Counties, whose permission has to be obtained for its use by other operators.

Please do not mis-represent the position. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FOTAOHSF (talk • contribs) 22:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Arriva are obliged to allow all operators reasonable access at commercial rates, as per the MMC report, the lease cannot and does not prevent this. This is all sourced information. MickMacNee (talk) 22:46, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Have a thicker skin

I agree with your basic premise that BC's behavior continues to be a problem. However, don't you see that you're not in a good position to get anything done about this? Why not let it go? It's apparently not an emergency, as it's a problem we've been living with for a good long time. Friday (talk) 16:28, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I think 'living with it' is the problem. Nothing has changed, and I proposed impartial monitoring in the arbcom, ignored, and outright opposed by the likes of Lara, and instead, I was laughingly told to do it myself. For which I get the obligatory accusations of stalking and harassment from beta. MickMacNee (talk) 16:38, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

We need to do more to nip these problems in the bud. But what to do with an established contributor who's been getting away with it all along, is a difficult question. Honestly, I am more bothered by his inability to engage in rational discussion, and his dismissal of valid criticism, than I am by whether he's "nice" or not. Someone can be a bit cranky and still be able to collaborate with others. BC isn't able to effectively collaborate. This is the big problem as I see it. Friday (talk) 16:46, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

His chronic incivility is irretrievably linked to the behaviour you see above. If he knows he can easily dismiss/ignore/insult others, then there is no incentive to do the rest. MickMacNee (talk) 16:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox discussion

Hi Mick, so now Angelo has closed the debate with a consensus going for option C, are you now going to seek out the general consensus on how to implement it - as you said in the poll for option C - "a standard should apply as in B (and be enforced), but can be overturned with consensus in particular cases on individual talk pages " The Rambling Man (talk) 10:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Mick, are you planning to do anything re: the comment above? I'm more than willing to discuss any rules (but for the life of me, (for the English articles anyway), can't think of any rules as to why one club would have FC abnd not the other!)

Am i thinking correctly that, as Option A and Option D werent chosen, that the only rule is basically the one you stated in the poll - that club names should only have FC attached in the Infobox header if the subject has been discussed to the point of consensus on individual article talk pages?? Cheers Sarumio (talk) 13:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I will propose one now. MickMacNee (talk) 13:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Done. MickMacNee (talk) 14:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

And done nicely too. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Antwort

Why can't they choose the Stadium of Light instead?, to be honest its a better shaped more suited and coloured venue. 81.158.178.213 (talk) 18:41, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The official page [1] cites the history of exciting matches held at SJP, and the 'great atmosphere' the fans create. I can't imagine why the stadium of lihgt wasn't considered. MickMacNee (talk) 18:47, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

oh dear me, strange from a tynesider .... 81.158.178.213 (talk) 18:51, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Template:Law enforcement agencies of the United Kingdom

I thought long and hard about PSNI, and decided not to include them because they are the territorial police and are therefore covered by Template:UK Police. SOCA and the SCDEA are there, but they are not territorial police. ninety:one 19:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Clarification

Hi Mick, thanks for setting up the discussion so swiftly. I am concerned the way the discussion/constant bickering is going though. Could you clarify, either to me personally, or on the template talkpage, what the main point of this disucssuin is and how its different to the previous discussion attched to the original poll? At the moment there seems to be 4 or 5 editors trying to agree with you/making a few stipulations regarding foreign clubs names, but then theres 2 or 3 editors campaigning to have the infobox header the same as the article title (option A (voted against) in the original poll). Its making the votes of those who chose Option C pointless as if they didnt count!! Soo all thats happening is the two sets of editors are bickering again - an exact replica of the previous (now archived) disucssion. We seem to be going round in circles, almost to the point that we're back at Square One in that Dudesleeper and the Rambling Man are, once again, trying to row with me (and others) trying to make us explain ourselves and explain why we dont think it should be the same as the article title. I'm at a loss, i want this to progress properly, but the way its going, we're just going over old ground again! This should be the "next step" in finding a solution/common rule, I feel like we're jumping up and down on the previous step discussing the same stuff we did 2 weeks ago! I don't know if you can help or make things clearer to me/anyone else. Kind Regards Sarumio (talk) 10:54, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, I kept forgetting about this. Yes, I agree we might be going over old ground here in our respective views, but I have no desire to act as 'referee' here, we're supposed to collaborate. If the discussion can't go forward with the imo adequate explanations I thought I had given for doing so, then I'm not particularly minded to get a hernia reigning it back in. Closing as no consensus is just as much a decision as anything else i'm afraid. MickMacNee (talk) 14:40, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Argentina national team

Hi.

What is the problem to include this phrase, that has a FIFA source?: "Argentina and France are the only national teams in the world which have won the four most important titles organized by FIFA: World Cup, Gold medal in football in the Olympic Games, Confederations Cup, and the Continental Cup (Copa America for Argentina, and UEFA European Football Championship for France)."

Am I wrong? I think that it´s a valious record, that -actually- only two teams in the world have: Argentina and France. What is the problem of including the phrase?

See you, --Ultracanalla (talk) 00:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Frankly, my interest is on the spanish wikipedia, where I´m a well respected user (Lancha_8795). I don´t care about what the english wikipedian users say or think about me... I only "fight" against vandalism and lies in the languages I can "harldy" dominate or speak, as english or portuguese... I know the wikipedia rules, and I know that when some user deny the official sources is vandalism here and in China. Oh, I´m NOT out of control nor i didn´t call crazy to anyobody. Please, read carefully the discussions.

--Ultracanalla (talk) 14:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you should stay where you know what you are doing then, because quite clearly, you do not know what you are doing here. Reverting your opinion is not vandalism. I have read the discussions, that is exactly why I made those comments. All the pages you continually REVERT IN CAPITAL LETTERS were on my watchlist before you ever arrived here. MickMacNee (talk) 14:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, but I won´t give up. I will stay here until many articles be as they have to be. I will continue in this fight against lies invented by many supporters, that many other users -icredibly- defend. --Ultracanalla (talk) 14:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, you have a serious problem if you think you are right and everyone else is wrong and a liar, judging by your behaviour now in two completely separate issues, which both have multiple editors who are against your opinions. Anyway, if you carry on this way I am sure you will be banned soon enough. MickMacNee (talk) 15:05, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. I´m getting an appointment with the Psichologyst in order to cure my insane... --Ultracanalla (talk) 15:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Issues

Hi, I just want to say I've noticed your good efforts in the football club parameter issue (trivial as it seems). It is good to see that you are trying to resolve difficulties in a considered manner rather than attacking them head on. I know Ultracanalla isn't the most co-operative user (some people might say the same about you looking at all the 3RR blocks) but I just thought I'd say using language like "quite clearly, you do not know what you are doing here" is likely to stir the flames. I also think you need to take language abilities into consideration, if English is not their first language, starting or contributing to debates is much more difficult. We need to encourage constructive contributions from editors with in depth knowledge of South American football and Argentina (my areas of interest) rather than argue with them. Anyway, keep striving to make Wikipedia better, all the best EP 01:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm yes and no. I have honestly tried to work with him rules wise, to the point of actually staying completely out of the actual content dispute even though I have an opinion. My recent comments are pretty much illustrative of me reaching the end of the line (my line is short, but hey, I'm no admin), in the face of a lack of (despite repeated requests) admin intervention (yes I know, embrace, don't banish), but this guy has real language/wp issues that prevent normal process. However, I will absolutely support your proposal to adopt him and reign him in ;) . MickMacNee (talk) 02:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Please, Mick, we must stop with this useless discussion. I prommise i will treat with more respect everybody and I want you to do the same with me, please. I sincerely apologize if I offended you. I´m not a bad user and I only try to help in the football articles. We start again at 0? We all have to give the other cheek!

See you, --Ultracanalla (talk) 02:09, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I would actually prefer it if you took adoption from a user such as EP. It was said as a joke, but on reflection actually makes sense. Your language problems are extremely disruptive because they prevent others interpreting your actions. A case in point is your use of the word 'vandalism'. This has a specific meaning in wikipedia, and you were using it incorrectly. MickMacNee (talk) 02:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion of Image:Buses on princes street.jpg

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Your efforts re template

Hi. Your handling of the recent discussion of deleting the Wikilobby template, was really excellent. it was extremely sensible and helpful. thanks for your efforts. I look forward to being in touch further, and perhaps working together further at some points in the future. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 23:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Tornado

No I think you are mistaken, I had to change the disambiguation page from replica to new-build. I hope you understand this Britishrailclass91 (talk) 17:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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Topic banned from Betacommand and BetacommandBot's talk page

Per what it says on the tin, I'll block you if you make any more edits to BC or BCBot's talk pages. If you have a problem with the code, you know where BAG are. This disruption stops here and now. Nick (talk) 23:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I have a problem with the selective removal of comments by BC to actively mis-represent the timeline and nature of the discussion. But then again, I know full well that jack shit will be done about it. MickMacNee (talk) 23:50, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't care, I know you're both causing disruption and that's what I am stamping out. Nick (talk) 23:52, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Of course you don't care, that would actually involve looking at the facts of the situation, which just does not happen regarding beta, no matter what he says or does. I swear to god he must have fixed Jimbo's VCR at one point or another, because he sure has immunity for any and all infractions around here for some reason or another. MickMacNee (talk) 00:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you really think you are doing a service to the people who disagree with BC by taunting him like you do? Your attitude is really not helping. Just stay away from each other, please. -- lucasbfr ^talk 00:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you realy think he is ever going to change except by coersion?, after 2 arbcom cases and hundreds of AN/I threads? Actually scratch that, because there are obviously enough admins to protect him when he runs into trouble in his latest excuse, or blow off of a user, so in fact, he will never change. I happen to think if you looked up the archives, his behaviour years ago is no different to today. Wikipedia is stuck with him warts and all, and it's a situation they appear to welcome with open arms. MickMacNee (talk) 00:24, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

And, I notice even though there is a topic ban made above, one of the BAG has ridden to beta's rescue and protected his page anyway. Pity they are unable to restore/delete comments on his talk page in the order they were made/removed by him. But that would require just the smallest amount of impartiality and judgement. Oh how I laugh when I recall the lengthy arbcom discussions over impartial monitoring of his talk page. It's quite clear that was never going to happen. BC is apparently using his employers company confidential code for wikipedia and distributing it to other editors he trusts (but does his company?), bc is apparently deceiving the community when he strongly insisted before his second arbcom case that he absolutely could not separate his tasks due to technical reasons, bc is obviously not interested in doing anything the community asks if it inconveniences him, even if it comes from a large demonstration of consensus. He's a law unto himself, and the above statements, as well as numerous other AN/ANI/BAG appeasements only serve to show exactly why he gets away with it, as well as more basic violations of CIVIL and AGF, just days after arbcom 2, and in the days after if anyone excuses that as an abberation. MickMacNee (talk) 00:16, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I did consider topic banning you from mentioning Betacommand at all, anywhere on Wikipedia, but came to the conclusion that would be un-necessary, keeping you and BC apart would be enough, but it seems it's not. Do you really want to be banned from discussing, commenting on or involving yourself in anything to do with Betacommand, or are you going to drop the issue and return to productive editing that has absolutely nothing to do with Betacommand, his bot, his friends etc ? Nick (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec)I think it's irrelevant, as it is my assertion that it doesn't matter whether you object to anything bc says or does civily or incivily, he will respond with the exact same behaviour he has always done, ignore, revert as vandalism/trolling, or a basic insult because his knowledge of bots is infinite, even though he is an expert/amateur programmer (depending on who you ask and what the situation is). If you can find a single diff to suggest otherwise, I'm all ears. The fact is, if you ask or say something he doesn't want to hear, he will just act like a child. MickMacNee (talk) 00:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

• I've only just spotted this unseemly dust-up. From what I can see, Betacommand is sensitive to criticism on this topic. MickMacNee may not be the most diplomatic editor in the world, but that does not justify Betacommand's edits here, or the edit summaries here and here. Also, the comment here (to another editor) was similarly grossly incivil. Nick, I see that you said "I know you're both causing disruption and that's what I am stamping out" - which is fair enough. In the interests of fairness, could you also deal with Betacommand and tell him how his behaviour needs to change? Carcharoth (talk) 00:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, it's only fair. I was considering a request to put Betacommand under civility parole of some sort. That said, the regular baiting by MickMacNee is not helping - two wrongs don't make a right. And for what it's worth, I believe Betacommand is a good programmer. x42bn6 Talk Mess 00:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Have you understood what he is on about re. not being able to split tasks, for a technical reason as opposed to a 'its a pain' reason? And do you believe other users have seen his code, if it in actual fact contains company confidential novel technology? Either his company is extremely lax, or their tech is not exactly of interest to anyone anyway. No one has actualy ever suggested he is a bad programmer as far as I know by the way, the problem is everything to do with what happens when you indulge all the other faults of a person just because they are perceived as having an indispensible programming talent to offer. Someone wrote a big piece on it in the arbcom, very informative, and apt. MickMacNee (talk)

I have read it without input (I know nothing of writing bots). If it's a pain for Betacommand then it can be a justification not to do it (i.e. if I ask Betacommand to only use tail-recursion in his code so I can prove it works easily). For what it's worth, Betacommand does do the programming and programming is not necessarily easy. x42bn6 Talk Mess 15:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

I had spoken with BC in private, but I've left a note in public too, just so everybody knows the score. Nick (talk) 00:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

OK. In future, please do leave such notes in public. Simply having a private word with one side of a dispute, and giving a very public topic banning to the other side, gives entirely the wrong impression. Carcharoth (talk) 01:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

It's just another appeasement as far as I'm concerned. I know full well that he will treat any editor questioning him in a way he doesn't like or suggesting a course of action he doesn't want to take in exactly the same way, I've seen it time and again for months, and seen the complaints of others for years. I posted a query on the arbcom page as to the enforceability of remedies by admins in arbcom case 2 given certain phrases in the policy that state remedies are enforceable by admins. Strangely it met with a deathly silence (I haven't checked it in a while though). MickMacNee (talk) 01:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

And Franamax, he was talking to you when he said you don't know what you're talking about, the reply was in sequence with your comment [2], but don't take it personally, this is his standard reply to many people, per above analysis. MickMacNee (talk) 02:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Seismic Risk

Hi, I was just wondering why you had removed the category "Structural Engineering" from this page? I am a structural engineer and I do seismic risk analyses (among other things). I have to say that I am not particularly bothered by the edit (I feel that the whole page could do with rewriting anyway due to the folksy style), and I am also aware that "Seismic Risk" may mean different things to different people. What does it mean to you?

--Muchado (talk) 12:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

It was because Category:Earthquake and seismic risk mitigation is sub-category of Structural Engineering. MickMacNee (talk) 12:39, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Dust1235

What happened to Dust1235? Did you manage to contact him? Or did he just vanish? 122.54.91.154 (talk) 12:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

{{User DGAF}} & {{User DGAF2}}

Hello and thanks for your edits to {{User DGAF}} & {{User DGAF2}}. I was wondering, did you consider the possibility that all of the users who have those templates on their user page liked them the way they were before? Just wondering about the thought process you employed before your edits... thanks! Ling.Nut (talk) 08:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I presumed they wouldn't give a fuck. MickMacNee (talk) 10:35, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Final withdrawal of Routemaster.

Hi. I've commented on your reversion of my changes to the article Routemaster, along with what drove me to make the changes, on Talk:Routemaster. I'd appreciate your response there. -- Chris j wood (talk) 15:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

replied on talk page btw. MickMacNee (talk) 15:43, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

File:AQA graph.JPG

Hi Mick. Would you be able to update File:AQA graph.JPG? The relevant data are:

• 29 February 08: answered question no. 11 million
• 21 April 08: answered question no. 12 million

Cheers Charlie (talk) 18:07, 11 May 2008 (UTC)