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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Ealdgyth (talk | contribs) at 22:29, 17 May 2009 (→‎Æ turns into Ae not E (most of the time): reply and thanks). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Welcome

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 – DrilBot would thank you, but it can't speak. :) –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:32, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Welcome...

Hello, DrilBot, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like this place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there.  Again, welcome! Marek.69 talk 18:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bots can't really respond... :). Thanks. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 18:21, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but they should be made to feel Welcome anyway :-) Marek.69 talk 18:23, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. :) –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 18:24, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

May 2009

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 – Not an error –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:28, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Your test on the page Catherine Falls worked, and has been removed. If you would like to experiment further, please use the sandbox. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing and its related help page for more information. Thank you. StormRider 21:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tediosity

"It performs tasks that are too tedious for Drilnoth, its owner." Oh come now. We both know there is no task too tedious for Drilnoth.

P.S. I hope you like the image. If not, feel free to revert. – Quadell (talk) 14:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the userbox already existed. :) It makes more sense to have a bot do what a bot can do so that I can do stuff a bot can't do.
And thanks for the image; I hope to create one at some point, but that one is appropriate for now. Thanks! –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 15:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh man, the new image is a good one. – Quadell (talk) 16:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Thanks. (do you know if SVG always kind of moves the text around like that? My local copy is spaced correctly, but if you look at the full view there's a bunch of extra whitespace?) –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 16:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that was intentional! Just say it symbolizes how it "juggles" so many tasks, faster than the eye can see. :) – Quadell (talk) 17:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I like that... good idea. :) –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:29, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Skip if only general fixes

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 – Kind of. Work around implemented until AWB can be improved. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please turn on ^ this option, to avoid edits such as [1]. –xeno talk 21:06, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm actually not using real "general fixes" at all; rather, I've just selected certain general fixes to apply. Thanks for mentioning this; it could take some time to go over the various files and find the right place to fix this. I'll keep the bot stopped for now. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 21:13, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have filed a request to make this easier to fix. For the time being, would it work for met to turn off the MetaData fixes? Interwiki sorting is by far the most common pseudo-false-positive, so if that is deactivated there should only be a handful (it'll just be restricted from making certain other fixes at the same time). Would that work? –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have also deactivated a number of other general fixes which could cause this kind of problem, although they don't have other, wanted fixes associated with them. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:32, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a chewy problem. Obviously it's not good to make hundreds of nigh-unto-useless changes, but you don't want to turn off too many features either. Unfortunately, I don't know much about what AWB is capable of, or how to integrate plug-ins and scripts into it. Is it possible to "count" the number of changes made, and skip those that don't have more than a certain number? I know AWB by default can skip records where there's no (for instance) bad links fixed or headers fixed. Can your additional functionality do something like that? – Quadell (talk) 02:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately there isn't any way to count changes at this time. AWB's built-in "skip if x isn't changed" thing actually can't be used at the same time as you have individual general fixes deactivated (because deactivating general fixes actually involves copying code and commenting out the fix, and telling AWB to not make any real "general fixes"). The main problem here is that the interwiki sorting is grouped together with category and interwiki relocating, both of which are errors at CHECKWIKI, so they either need to all be on or all be off. Until I or AWB's developers can figure something out with this, would it be okay if I just deactivated all of those changes and used other lists to find errors? Things like "title linked in text" or "cateogry DEFAULTSORT with special characters" can be fixed even if it is deactivated, just not the things like "interwiki before last headline". –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 02:57, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not quite sure if I follow, but you can go ahead and test out these proposed solutions... Insignificant changes aren't a huge deal if they happen here or there, but they're best to be avoided. Would it not be possible to write a statement "skip if (particular checkwiki fix not made)" ? –xeno talk 13:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Eh... it might be, but I don't know much of anything about programming in C. I'll run DrilBot with these modifications and will check edits semi-regularly until we know if it is stable. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Trun, Orne

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 – Confusing diff, but ultimately not an error. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 13:30, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Your bot stamped over the article. Fix it or disable it. I am getting fed up with this.

Stop the thing until you get it working

SimonTrew (talk) 19:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Umm... it was working perfectly here. There were duplicate interwikis on the page; DrilBot removed doubles which shouldn't be there. [[es:Trun (Orne)]][[es:Trun (Orne)]] is the same as [[es:Trun (Orne)]], the other set of interwikis just wasn't visible in the diff. If it has made any other errors please don't hesitate to tell me, but please be more careful when checking to see if the edit was accurate... I agree that that one looked like it was a bad edit, but it was constructive. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 19:41, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The bot appears to have been confused by the fact that there was both a "Notes and references" and a "References" heading. –xeno talk 19:44, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure... there was an identical set of interwikis in both the "notes and references" and "References". They were redundant; interwikis should all be at the end of the article and having two identical interwikis is bad. See this revision in edit move to see what I mean; the bot just moved a stub tag (correctly) and removed extra interwikis that didn't really do anything anyway. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 19:49, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I fixed that, I removed the "References" which was kinda wrong
Please excuse me for being a bit grumbly, and thank you very much for your efforts to improve Wikipedia, it just gets a bit annoying when an article you've made (very much a stub) gets a kick by a bot. I love bots they do good work bit when they get it wrong it can be frustrating.
No problems all fixed and if the bot runs over it again, having removed that section heading, I don't think it will have any probs? But you should look into fixing the bot there.
Best wishes and keep goood faith SimonTrew (talk) 19:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
By the way I checked the Interwiki links for most of em, and they work.
Thanks; I understand that that edit looked really destructive. Anyway, I don't think that the section headings caused any problem; the diff just looked weird because it seemed like the bot removed interwikis, when the ones it removed were really just duplicates. It does that regardless of what section headings there are. Thanks for your understanding! –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 20:01, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Æ turns into Ae not E (most of the time)

Most of the time the Æ character turns into Ae, so Æthelnoth is Aethelnoth, not Ethelnoth. Or Jænberht is Jaenberht. (There are a few exceptions). Can we try to figure this out so I don't have to go behind and change them all? Ealdgyth - Talk 22:20, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! That must be a bug in AWB. I'll fix those five that started with Æ (it's probably not worth the effort to go through 8000+ edits to find those which contain the letter elsewhere) and will report the bug. I'll stay away from specifically working on the DEFAULTSORT error lists until that is fixed. Thank you for letting me know! –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see that you already got those. I'll do a search through the contribs to fix any others. –Drilnoth (T • C • L) 22:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If it makes you feel better, I hate those stupid characters a LOT too! Thanks! Ealdgyth - Talk 22:29, 17 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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