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While I am thinking about it, before we nominate this for GA review or FA review, you will need to rewrite and expand the lead according to the recommendations at WP:Lead, so this lead should be at least 2-3 paragraphs. Sadads (talk) 12:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You might want some date oriented context in the lead, so like "While St. Vincent was commander of the Mediteranean fleet in ... " etc. That summarizes the content of the article better. Sadads (talk) 13:04, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation of "Jervis"

In my area there is a disagreement on how to pronounce Cape Jervis, which is named after him. How was his name pronounced in the UK in his lifetime, and now? Is it pronounced "Jervis" or "Jarvis"? Should I take the lack of explanation as an endorsement of the more obvious pronunciation? Thank you --219.90.217.247 (talk) 05:31, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Being English I have always pronounced it "Jarvis" rather than "Jervis". His nickname was "Old Jarvie" and a Jarvie or Jarvey was the nickname for a coachman and that was pronounced with an "a" sound so I imagine the two were quite close in their pronunciation. I could of course be wrong. Corneredmouse (talk) 08:48, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jarvis is the pronunciation of the admiral's surname, in a similar way the English ways of saying "clerk" is "clark" and "Derby" is "Darby". However, eponymous place names in other countries often end up with completely different pronunciations when the original pronunciation differs from the apparent spelling. Dabbler (talk) 10:22, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jervis is pronounced Jervis. I am a descendant of John Jervis's sister Mary Ricketts and there are currently about 100 living descendants of Mary Ricketts of whom about 50 have the name of Jervis or Parker-Jervis. Mary Ricketts started life as Mary Jervis, then married Ricketts and so became Mrs Ricketts. On the death of John Jervis the children of Mary Ricketts became Jervis and some of her descendants became Parker-Jervis as well. John Jervis had no known children of his own so the name and title went to Mary Ricketts descendants. I hope that helps. There is much more information in Burke's Peerage.

Peer review comments

This statement in the section "Early Naval Career": "under one of his patrons Captain Charles Saunders in the Mediterranean". When did we establish that he had patrons? Who else are patrons? Would he later become his patron? It confused me a bit. Sadads (talk) 12:05, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]