User talk:Viriditas

Felix

Given the drama that user has managed to stir up, it would probably be best to find some telling diff's that will help pin down your theory about him being a sock. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

It's not a theory; they are the same user. I compared all of their talk page comments. The parenthetical numbering, the case, slashies, choice of words, spelling errors, etc. It is one user. Viriditas (talk) 02:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I took the liberty of mentioning this to the admin Jmh649, who closed the most recent ANI brouhaha about that user. The checkuser didn't find them to be socks, but it is kind of odd that once Berber was blocked, Felix immediately turned up and started commenting (that was a few days ago). Given the user's penchant for distorting the facts, socking wouldn't surprise me, as it would fit the pattern. But he'll raise holy hell unless you can present a pretty good case. You might want to consider discussing this privately with your most trusted admin, so that you don't give the game away. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

During the original sock investigation I noticed - but did not bring up as I was not permitted - that the user in question made several very anti-Qadaffi statements. Since my obviously pro-Qadaffi proclivities have been raised repeatedly I would hope evidence that disinclines the sock conclusion is considered, as opposed to cherry-picked examples. I immediately turned-up and started commenting because ... MY BLOCK HAD BEEN LIFTED! Sheesh. Felixhonecker (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Some diffs would be helpful. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:46, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Felix, the good hand bad hand sock strategy is older than coal. Your comment is downright embarrassing. Viriditas (talk) 02:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Great. So if there is a similarity in editing style it's evidence of a sock, if there's difference in editing style it's still evidence of a sock. Either way you get me blocked as soon as you can shop around to find someone willing to axe me after an "offline" investigation. Why are you people doing this to me? What did I do to you? Felixhonecker (talk) 02:54, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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Berber's very first edit (and his IP's also) indicates defense of the current flag, which squares with Felix's stance and would seem to contradict the claim that Berber is anti-Qadaffi.[1] Felix had been blocked at 17:47 on the 25th. The Berber1 account was created at 00:41 of the 27th and made its first entry at 00:54. Berber was blocked on 20:14 of the 27th and made its last entry at 20:21. Felix turned up again at 00:09 of the 28th, after having been silent since the 25th. That was not coincident with Felix being unblocked, as he was not unblocked until 01:08 of the 1st. The IP, which Berber1 admitted to using, made its first entry on the 24th and its last on the 28th. It tried to lay some pre-emptive groundwork that, to me, indicated that more socks could be expected:[2] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:13, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Most of this is simply not true and has already been dismissed in open forum. Now I have to repeat it in this private court. It is not true that I tried to lay "preemptive groundwork." I stated that - regarding geolocation - many editors of Libya would probably be found to gelocate to the same area since the area in question was to the Libyan expatriate community as Miami was to the Cuban expatriate community. Please provide a link to the diffs so people can see what I am saying is true. I have already corrected you on this three times. I don't understand why you keep repeating this mistruth. Please don't do this to me.

I was the one who revealed my IP, not the other user Berber. Please. If you are going to seek to get me blocked for the rest of my life, provide facts. Please check your facts. Please provide a link to the diffs so people can see what I am saying is true. This is my entire ability to participate in Wikipedia you are tossing about with mixed facts and half-truths. Why are you doing this to me?

There are at least 6 active editors - of 9 total active editors - in the Libyen entry currently defending the green flag in that entry. This is evidence of socking? Please don't block me forever due to an edit dispute you had with me. Why are you doing this to me? Felixhonecker (talk) 05:06, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

You're right, it was your IP, not Berber's.[3] Speaking of that flag, why is the rebel flag even posted on the Libya article? Or has it been removed by now? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:14, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I am right about that, I'm also right about having already once corrected you via the "threatening to sock" issue. Why would you say that didn't happen? I'm looking for the diffs right now but I have so little time and what little time I have to enjoy Wikipedia I've spent defending myself against a string of complaints all for the same issue. Please give me a few minutes to prove this before you ban me for life. As for the rebel flag, the rebel flag was removed from Libyen twice by me and thirteen times by other editors. It is the subject of an intense dispute involving 9 different editors at the moment. The user of which I'm supposedly a sock was a drive-by Green Flag supporter - one of countless numbers, active and inactive - and none of them my socks.Felixhonecker (talk) 05:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Found it. Bugs (above) accused me of "threatening to sock." He laid this charge on me once before and I corrected him so he knows it is false. Yet he has charged me with it a second time, knowing it is inaccurate information. How can he do that to me? Why can he file endless complaints against me with information I can prove he knows is wrong, bu knowing that, eventually, I'll get tired of defending myself and one will stick? (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=416505239#Extreme_WP:CIVIL_in_Libya_Entry) - scroll down to where he says "Here,[24] and on his talk page,[25] Felix appears to be ..." PLEASE I don't have time to go through this again every single day like clockwork. How can I get Bugs to stop? Felixhonecker (talk) 05:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Well, what should I believe? You, or your own words? As regards Libya, I see that Obama is calling for Qadaffi to step down. Mubarak did. Will Qadaffi do so also? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:20, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

I prefer not to discuss Libya here since I'd like to keep this focused on preventing me from being banned for life as a result of your 19th (not hyperbole, I've been counting) complaint about me in 4 days, none of which have yet to be upheld. Felixhonecker (talk) 05:24, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Your statement on the SPI page reads like laying groundwork to expect more socks. You've been advised to focus on editing. Take that advice and you'll be fine. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:28, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

NO IT DOES NOT. DO NOT SPREAD LIES ABOUT ME. PLEASE. I'm sorry if I'm upset, however, if the same user had filed 19 complaints - all dismissed - against you in 4 days without repercussions you would be at your wits end, too. I came to Wikipedia to edit entries, not defend myself from a user who has an axe to grind. This is my exact statement that you linked to:

I will just note that the one entry of overlap that has caused this inquiry - Libya - will likely be getting a lot of users from this geolocation in the coming days and weeks as it is to the Libyan community in the U.S. as Miami is to the Cuban community. I defer any additional comments until the investigation is complete, however, felt it was necessary to note that for the benefit of the next sockpuppet complaint that is filed in regard to this entry.

This is not "threatening to sock" this is simply noting that a lot of Libyans live in the same west coast US city just like a lot of Cubans live in Miami. If you geolocate all the editors of Libyen you'll find a lot of overlap. It's abundantly clear what I was saying. I can't do this anymore. Please leave me alone. Please stop lobbying people to block me for matters that were decided a week ago. Felixhonecker (talk) 05:34, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

To me, it does. It's how I read it. You may have meant it innocently. But it's how I read it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

No reasonable person would read it that way. The fact that this entire witch hunt is occurring in userspace instead of ANI probably evidences that more than anything else. I'm done. Do whatever the frack you like. It's clear no one is going to stop your one-man inquisition. Goodbye. Felixhonecker (talk) 05:38, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

"No reasonable person...?" Prove it. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:41, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

No. I'm done being your doormat. Felixhonecker (talk) 05:50, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Your extreme overreactions are getting a bit annoying. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Filing 19 complaints against me in 4 days - all for the same thing that has already been adjudicated - is rather more annoying, I assure you. How you're getting away with this without any kind of admin intervention I don't know. I don't care. I'm not willing to play court every single day anymore. I'm going to get blocked on complaint 24 or 25 or 26 when I don't show up to defend myself. I've come to accept it. *shrug*Felixhonecker (talk) 05:55, 4 March 2011 (UTC)