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Since 1896, Brooklyn has had the same boundaries as Kings County, which is now the most populous county in New York State and the second most densely populated county in the United States, after New York County (Manhattan).[2]

That doesn't seem to make sense. Am I right in thinking that Manhattan is also in NYS? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.188.229.145 (talk) 04:02, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

That issue is addressed in another section -- see Population density below. Vereverde (talk) 15:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

The opening sentence reads, "Brooklyn is New York City's most populous borough with approximately 2.5 million residents,[1] and second largest in area." The last phrase is slightly ambiguous because of its proximity to the premise in the beginning of the sentence. Someone reading the sentence as a whole might think that Brooklyn is the most populous borough in NYC, and second most populous borough in the region. Would it be better to say, "and geographically it is the second largest borough in size"? Vereverde (talk) 15:00, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Crime Section

The 'crime' section is a two-sentence stub, and in its current form may as well be removed. I notice some fairly substantial paragraphs regarding crime in the history of the page which have been deleted without explanation (but which did, like many other parts of this article, lack citation.

Could anyone with a bit more knowledge in this field add something appropriate? I believe crime is (unfortunately for those with pride in the city) fairly synonymous with Brooklyn.Prettyian (talk) 10:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Needed additions

This article has recently undergone extensive revisions. It needs improvements to "Transportation" and "Sites of interest" (which should be turned into a new "Tourism" section). "Neighborhoods" needs to be reworked. A new section on architecture is needed, which should discuss Brooklyn's unique brownstones, the Williamsburg Savings Bank, and the Brooklyn Bridge. Wv235 05:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm working on Transportation. --Larry V (talk | contribs) 15:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

"Bensonhurst" is misspelled. Oh, Wikipedia!

On "Education", some schools are missing. Polytechnic University of New York is in B'klyn Heights. CUNY CityTech is there, too, and it's really large.

I removed "(I hate)" which was put in front of Brooklyn. I did google it though, fascinating stuff. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.184.184.101 (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Possible new image

linked here, http://brooklynramblings.blogspot.com/2006/07/bushwick-beer-capital-of-northeast.html, this map shows the founding 6 town of brooklyn in good detail, how does one go about inquiring copyright details, as I'd like to add it to this wiki.

Hey, this is Sonja of Brooklyn Ramblings. I got that image from Brooklyn Geneology, http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com, Image is http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Image/Bushwick/BushwickMap.jpg. You can probably just contact them directly to find out where they got it.

It's from the 1946 Brooklyn Daily Eagle. http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Town/Bushwick/index.html Taco (talk) 23:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi add http://www.hellobrooklyn.com to your links on Brooklyn. It's by far the most informative website in Brooklyn. Thanks - a hellobrooklyn.com fan

Famous Brooklynites

Some one should compile a list of famous Brooklynites from popular music, movies, industry, politics. Some famous people from Brooklyn, right off the top of my head are: Larry David, Barbara Streisand, Neil Diamond, David Geffen (of Geffen Records), Spike Lee, Moe, Larry and Curly from the Three Stooges.... There are probably dozens of well known people originaly from BKLYN, not to memention, some extremely successful and wealthy people. There are also many famous people buried in Brooklyn: Boss Tweed (local politican portrayed in the film "Gangs of New York."

Why, you. . . I oughta. . . Larry Fine is from Philadelphia!  ;->

New Netherlands box

The box of 17th Century governors and communities is mere clutter, in this article. Same with any map from that era. Such material belongs in History of Brooklyn where it can do good. Jim.henderson 06:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove poor quality sources

Overall a good article on Brooklyn, but does low-quality, generally unwatched and undiscussed web content like "The Burg" really deserve to be cited? It's an obscure, amateur web show (which I didn't know about until seeing it pretty much -advertised- here), and doesn't speak for the public as suggested by it being cited for the L train being known as something "colloquially".

The L train is better discussed in New York Magazine, probably a more credible source than whatever that Burg thing is. http://nymag.com/nymetro/realestate/neighborhoods/features/14884/.

I suggest removing the "hipster express" and its source link - it brings down the quality of Wikipedia to see it relying on information from poor quality sources.

The map coordinates listed are wrong. They should be 40 deg 42' 51" N, 74 deg 0' 22" W.

The phrase "Another highlight of Brooklyn's Media is the unprecedented celebrities that were born and raised in Brooklyn. Two of the biggest celebrities are hip hops own Notorious B.I.G and Jay-Z. Both Biggie and Jay-Z are known to be two of the greatest in the hip hop. While rising to the top they never forgot about where they came from and have numerous tracks that gives "shout outs" to their hometown Brooklyn. One of Jay-Z's latest records features another Brooklyn native called Santigold in a song called "Brooklyn We Go Hard." " seems like it was written by a 3rd grader, and needs revision. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.137.69 (talk) 16:52, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Failed "good article" nomination

This article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of December 6, 2006, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: The article is mostly well-written, although the prose could be tightened up. The Culture section could use a rewrite to make it easier to read, and the Tourism section could also use work.

2. Factually accurate?: Very thin on references. Fifteen citations for a 39k article is insufficient. Many sections completely lack citations.

3. Broad in coverage?: The article offers broad coverage of its topic. Very good use of 'main article' and 'see also' links to additional information that might be of interest.

4. Neutral point of view?: Mostly NPOV. The few exceptions might be cleared up by citation.

5. Article stability? Article appears reasonably stable.

6. Images?: Images are all properly tagged and seem appropriate.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far. --Shimeru 21:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

A Class Article?

The article is rated B class. Should it be rated A-Class? It seems pretty complete, even if it needs more citations. -- Ssilvers 15:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

I added a new section on the language because the language I think is a important subject because it helps people understand the culture of brooklyn more. Since i myself is from and still from brooklyn I know what people say and also what it means.

also if some1 finds any mistake plz tell me but only if u r from brooklyn.

NPOV

How is the following NPOV?

Though a part of New York City, Brooklyn maintains a distinct character of its own. Brooklyn is enriched by an almost unparalleled cultural diversity, a cutting-edge art scene, strong neighborhoods, and phenomenal Nineteenth Century architecture.

I think someone else could do a better job rewriting this than I could. DeSales 15:39, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

It does read like a tourism pamphlet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ultron (talk • contribs) 17:04, 23 April 2007 (UTC).

Population density

I don't understand the bit in the introduction that reads

Brooklyn is coterminous with Kings County, which is the most populous county in New York State, and the second most densely populated county in the United States[2] (after New York County, which is coterminous with Manhattan).

Is New York County not part of New York State, then? Classical geographer 09:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

What's causing the confusion exactly? It's pretty clear to me - New York County is the most densely populated county in NYS, and Kings County is next. Brooklyn has more people than Manhattan, but Manhattan has a smaller area than Brooklyn, so it's more densely populated. --Ytny (talk) 12:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the confusion is in that the sentence can be read as if it is saying Kings County is the most populous county in NYS and the parenthetical only modifies "the second most densely populated county in the United States." For some reason, I read it that way the first couple of times and couldn't see why you couldn't see the confusion. I can think of a few ways to rewrite and will attempt it if a better copy writer and editor doesn't first. DeSales 05:05, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that BERGEN COUNTY, NJ (Across the Hudson from Manhattan) is the most densely populated county in the US.

"It is the largest borough in the NYC area by size, no matter what any other source says."

This comment is completely unfounded. Not only do the numbers of general area and land area shown in the side-panel prove that Queens is the largest borough, but all one has to do is look at a map to see that Brooklyn is in fact smaller than Queens. Now, I am a native Brooklynite, and I completely understand Brooklyn pride, but no sentiment of belonging justifies misinformation. I strongly suggest this comment be removed. It sounds more like something I would hear on the street than read in an encyclopedia, and comments like these are what debase the value of Wikipedia as a good source of reference.

Agreed, I removed it.--Guyver8400 12:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

New York City Meetup

New York City Meetup Next: Saturday November 3rd, Brooklyn Museum area Last: 8/12/2007

The agenda for the next meetup includes the formation of a Wikimedia New York City local chapter. Hope to see you there!

No mention of rap or hip hop in culture

Brooklyn is one of the most influential areas on the planet when it comes to hip hop music, artists such as mos_def renowned the world over are from Brooklyn. This ought to be represented in the culture section prominently. Wikimam (talk) 22:06, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Crime

In the year of 2006 and 2007 brooklyn has more murder in its northern region than all of queens county had for both north and south. About 40% more. Of the new recruits for the NYPD 1/3 of operation impact will be going to northern brooklyn.... can anyone incorporate some of this into this article. Ny1 has the broadcast ill link it. http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=9&aid=76912 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.23.218.59 (talk) 02:11, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cspbbn.pdf

GAN failed

Sorry, it's not ready for GA yet. More referencing needed. The Geography section has 1 ref in total, for instance. Refs need formatting; {{cite web}} suggested. Also, short paragraphs need to be expanded/cleaned up. Please look at some GA city articles for a feel of how it should look. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

If I may just add to that, I think that the article looks great and is very informative. If the referencing issue is sorted out then I've got no doubt that it'll succeed next time. Nice job. :-) --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I guess I will nominate it again when this is all fixed. Good luck to all of us.--RyRy5 ^{Got something to say?} 01:20, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, good luck. I'm happy to take a look when you think it's ready. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 01:25, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Crime

"From the 1970s to the 1990s, parts of Brooklyn were considered among the most dangerous urban areas in the United States. Crime rates in most of the borough have since dropped significantly but parts including areas in the central area of Bushwick stretching all the way to East New York continue to have problems with crimes. Many areas of southern Brooklyn have shown dramatic crime decreases over the past few years."

Brooklyns north task force reported 117 murders in 2008.

• Brooklyn north = 117 murders
• Brooklyn south = 95

2.5 million people with 212 murders

• Queens north = 23
• Queens south = 72

2.2 million with 95 murders

• Staten Island = 21

0.5 million with 21 murders

• Bronx = 132

1.3 million with 132 murders

• Manhattan north = 43
• Manhattan south = 19

1.6 million with 62 murders

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/crime_prevention/crime_statistics.shtml

Wikipedia: Wikipedia Loves Art museum photo weekend

New York City Meetup—Museum Extravanganza Next: February 6-7, at the Met Museum and the Brooklyn Museum Last: 01//2008

Join us the evenings of Friday February 6 and Saturday February 7 around Wikipedia Loves Art! museum photography events at the Metropolitan Museum of Art and the Brooklyn Museum.

There will also be a special business meeting on Saturday dedicated to discussing meta:Wikimedia New York City issues with guests from the Wikimedia Foundation.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

To keep up-to-date on local events, you can also join our mailing list.--Pharos (talk) 01:35, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

New York's Five Boroughs at a Glance

Why does this article have the {{NYC boroughs}} box way down in References, whilst the other four have it in the lede? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:05, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Good question. I created that table (before it was converted to a template by someone else to save space and simplify updating) and I tried to put it near the maps at the top of the borough articles. That's also the reason that someone else started the yellow shading, to match the maps'. It can be tricky to fit the table between the Information Box and table of contents so that it works reasonably well with all screen sizes, font sizes, browsers and machines. On the other hand, one reason I made the table was to clarify the lead paragraphs' comparison of different boroughs' land and population. —— Shakescene (talk) 18:59, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Infobox

I think the population of the county for 2000 should be put in the infobox (not just a 2008 estimate). (I cannot edit the box correctly myself.) The 2000 population should be put in the first paragraph of the article, replacing the approximate number. hello (talk) 09:33, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Wrong info Fasces?

The introduction on the motto and logo states "...also feature a young robed woman bearing fasces, a traditional emblem of republicanism." The link is dead, and the Wiki article on fasces, doesn't say republicanism, but "power and jurisdiction, and/or strength through unity" (the last makes more sense with the motto). It says only that it was a symbol of the Roman Republic (representing penal power according to Brittanica), so not "representing rupublicanism". Anyone know what is correct? Joost 99 (talk) 08:31, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Good question, but remember that not only were the fasces on the reverse of the Mercury Dime but are still on the walls of (among other places) the legislatures of the French Republic and of the United States. Some standard postage stamps of the French Third Republic (1870-1940) and her empire showed fasces with "RF" [République Française]. See a discussion earlier this year on Wikipedia:Reference desk, although I can't recall offhand if it was on the Humanities or Miscellaneous desk. —— Shakescene (talk) 08:50, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Very interesting (and very quick reaction :-). Reading the discussion, the article on the National Emblem of France states it was chosen as a symbol of justice and also on the Seal of the United States Senate it states it is used as a symbol of authority. The Dime (United States coin) also doesn't mention republicanism. The reference in the article (the link just started working miraculously...) is wrongly cited, it only states “ a traditional Roman and Classical Republican symbol of Unity”. So I can only find indirect references to the Roman Republic (also see bottom of http://www.livius.org/fa-fn/fasces/fasces.html). It would be interesting though to know when the logo was created.

I would suggest for now changing it to : “a traditional symbol of authority and unity” or "a symbol of authority and unity, traditionally used by republican states." Joost 99 (talk) 10:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

If you want to get even more confused, see Lictor, the traditional bearer of fasces. I'm sure you've seen Talk:Fasces and especially Talk:Fasces#A contentious alternative interpretation. —— Shakescene (talk) 21:02, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

What has happened to the image of the Brooklyn seal and flag? Also, would it be appropriate in an encyclopedia article to display Brooklyn's logo? Vereverde (talk) 15:20, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Isn't the 'young robed woman' a rendered display of the Netherlands Maiden? She was the symbol of the United Republic, which founded the New Netherlands colony. Qense (talk) 10:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Missing geography

There should be a section on Brooklyn geography. Jd2718 (talk) 00:50, 24 December 2010 (UTC)