User talk:JohnCD

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I shall be away from home for most of the rest of the year, with only intermittent internet access up to the middle of December, and then none until the first week of January.
JohnCD 23 November 2011

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Welcome to my talk page. Click here to leave me a message. If you have come here about a page I deleted, you will probably find the explanation here; if that does not answer your question, click the link just above to leave me a message. Please mention the name of the page, and sign your post with four "tilde" characters ~~~~ so that I know who you are. If I have left a message on your talk page, please reply there; I am watching it. If you leave a message here I will usually reply here, but if my reply contains advice I hope you will find useful, I may place it on your talk page. (Talk page stalkers: you are welcome; if you see no reply here, there is probably one on the other talk page; I have decided to stop making a note here when I reply there). You may E-mail me via the "E-mail this user" link under "Toolbox" in the left-hand sidebar, but you will get a faster response here; I suggest you do not use e-mail unless you need privacy. I will normally reply on your talk page, not by e-mail.

Try to restore "Secure Online Desktop" page

Hi, I'm new in wikipedia, I read a guidelines to write my first article and I want to create a page on Secure Online Desktop like my friends of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balabit who talk of Balabit or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrightWork_(software). I would like to describe what SOD is, what cloud computing for pc is and so on. If it isn't possible I would like to know what are the differences from Balabit page.

Thank for your attention

Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Piergiorgio.venuti (talk • contribs) 22:56, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

No time to reply tonight. I will give advice on your talk page tomorrow, or you could ask Salvio giuliano (talk), the admin who deleted the article. Meanwhile, read WP:Your first article, WP:GNG, WP:42 and WP:Conflict of interest. JohnCD (talk) 23:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Ziddi razan

Hi JohnCD. Thanks for deleting the Ziddi razan article. Would you consider salting it too? The article was recreated after an AfD and has been subject to apparent sockpuppet activity. I don't see any likely prospect of a compliant article being created about this subject and it is likely to be recreated, based on past form. Many thanks, Sparthorse (talk) 12:35, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

It's only actually been created twice. I have given him {{uw-auto}} - let's see if he's got the message. If it comes again, yes, salt. To my surprise, the other account doesn't look like a sock made for this article - it was actually created as long ago as July. Probably a friend. JohnCD (talk) 12:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I appreciate the investigation. Best, Sparthorse (talk) 12:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy declined

Hello JohnCD. Regarding Huey Lewis & the News, a redirect I had requested to be deleted, you declined with the reason given: "target of redirect has not been deleted or tagged for speedy". I do not contend the target should be deleted but rather that it should be moved over the redirect, itself becoming a redirect to what is the correct and proper name and title for the ensemble. A search at Allmusic.com using the current title shows the artist not found[Hueyallmusic.com/search/artist/huey+lewis+and+the+news] with an option to choose the correct possible match [1]. I am fairly certain the redirect carries the title which should be home for the subject rather than to redirect it to an improper title. My76Strat (talk) 21:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I understand. You used the wrong db template, {{db-redirnone}}, "redirect to a page which does not exist, has been deleted, or is itself currently tagged for speedy deletion", and that's why I declined it. The one you want is {{db-move}}, which you put on the target page in the form {{db-move|1=PAGE TO BE MOVED HERE|2=REASON FOR MOVE}} . I haven't got time tonight to sort this one, but if you tag it like that someone will. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 22:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining

Hi: thanks for helping my class work through what is and isn't acceptable on Wikipedia.Rachel Garshick Kleit (talk) 23:02, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your deletion of The Foot. (Band)

Hey John, My name is Jeff McCollister. I play in The Foot. and am trying to create a Wikipedia page so everyone can learn of our tumultuous and interesting history! Ok... maybe our history isn't THAT tumultuous, but it's still totally interesting. I am seeing that somebody has already attempted this task, and you have deleted the page. What is the procedure for me to repopulate this article with said totally interesting information?

Hope to hear from you soon, Jeff The Foot. www.findthefoot.com

Jmactron (talk) 06:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Myspace, Facebook and the like are places for people and bands to write themselves up: Wikipedia is different. I deleted that article a year ago because it was (a) a copyright violation, copied from Facebook without any copyright release (b) as usual with articles copied from Facebook, written in a style far too promotional for an encyclopedia article: "sound that is immediately recognizable, with a novel edge that is certainly their own... original songs that provide an uncharacteristically deep insight... " etc. (c) an advertisement: "'available for download on their website and on iTunes... available at www.findthefoot.com with a name your price option, including a free download in exchange for spreading the word to others... " and (d) had no independent references to suggest notability to the standard of WP:BAND. So any new article would look quite different. More advice on your talk page in a day or two. JohnCD (talk) 10:50, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Nice work

Nice work on Wikipedia:Copy-paste. I hadn't seen this before, but just added it to my list of useful templates, and have used it already.--SPhilbrickT 15:28, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's a useful page - WP:Copyrights is necessary, but it does make the eyes glaze over and not many people actually read it. I'm trying to use it to spread the copyright message into student projects on a bottom-up basis - after deleting a copyvio I add to the talk page warning: "Please read Wikipedia:Copy-paste and, if you are editing as part of a class project, ask your instructor to read it too and explain it to the rest of the class." JohnCD (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Startle (website) page

Hi JohnCD,

I am trying to add a page for Startle (website), a new website for Forbes Travel Guide, which has a pre-existing page on Wikipedia. I just want to add information about the new site, like an encyclopedic entry. Is this possible? We can provide you with the content we want to add if someone else can add it for us.

Thank you,

MeghanChi (talk) 17:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Cajal Blue Brain Project

Hello, i am the author of the Cajal Blue Brain Project website. Thus, please undelete my contribution in Wikipedia. Thanks!

santigt ([email protected]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Santigt (talk • contribs) 18:22, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. JohnCD (talk) 18:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Request for deleting my talkpage

I want to request deleting my talkpage too,what I must do?The presence of this page is really painful for me.Thanks--Orartu (talk) 18:34, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

User talk pages are not normally deleted, see WP:DELTALK. You are welcome to blank anything from your talk page, with a few exceptions explained at WP:BLANKING, but the history is maintained for the record. Even if you decide to leave Wikipedia permanently - see WP:Courtesy vanishing - though the page would be renamed, it would not normally be deleted. JohnCD (talk) 19:13, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Diminishing font

John -- Writing to you as my assigned mentor. I was editing the entry on the Battle of Jutland, tried to insert an en-dash by hitting control and the hyphen key on the number pad, but instead I got a reduction in the size of the font of the whole artilce. I then, of course, hit the combination again, and got a further reduction. I don't know whether it has just affected my view or the font of the actual article on Wikipedia. My apolgies. Can you help? Or point me toward someone who can? Both as to putting the article back the way it should be (if necessary) and as to avoiding the problem in the future. Thanks. -- Edthed (talk) 20:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

No, you haven't broken the article, what you did only affected your view of it. The hyphen on the number pad was acting as a "minus" - if you pressed Control and the "plus" sign, it would increase the font size again. To enter an en-dash you type –. See WP:Cheatsheet for a short guide to Wiki markup, and Help:Wiki markup for the full detail. JohnCD (talk) 20:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

S.O.S

Hi John

Another editor has looked at my article and it is declined. I have tidied up the refs a lot. I am new to this and just want to enter our local Church of England (as many other Churhes of England have) to Wikipedia. Please advise me where I am going wrong ?

Markst123 article about St Mark's Church England Markst123 (talk) 23:05, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I have explained on your talk page Wikipedia's inclusion criterion of notability, which looks for "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." See WP:42 for how that is interpreted. The test is, have people unconnected with the subject thought it important enough to write significant comment about? Your article's references are its own website, the sites of allied churches, a listing in "A church near you" etc - nothing that shows notability in Wikipedia's sense. That is in no way a reflection on the church but, as I said before, Wikipedia is not a noticeboard like Myspace where any person or organization can write about themselves, and has chosen this way to be selective about subjects for articles. JohnCD (talk) 22:52, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Scrotum Poles page deletion

Dear John,

I note that you have deleted my page about the Scrotum Poles. The band are often bracketed with the Homosexuals, the Desperate Bicycles and the Television Personalities, so I cannot understand the deletion. They have been regularly included on Chuck Warner's Messthetics series including Messthetics Greatest Hits.

Could you advise me as to how to proceed.

Kind regards

Rachel

Rmcutler (talk) 18:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Your article didn't say they were "bracketed with" those others, only that they "followed" them, which I didn't consider an adequate statement of importance. I have "userfied" the article for you - moved it into a page in your user space at User:Rmcutler/Scrotum poles where you can work on it. You will need to provide references to confirm what it says, and to show how they meet the notability requirements of WP:BAND. JohnCD (talk) 22:59, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Deleted sanbox - user:krider07

Hi John, I am a Wikipedia Campus Ambassador for the Housing and Social Policy course that is participating in Wikipedia's United States Education Program. You deleted a student's sandbox the other day, citing that it blatantly plagiarized material. The student has the citations and was going to put them in, but thought that because the material was in the sandbox, it could sit there as she continued to work on the article. Would you please consider restoring it so that she can add the citations and finish this as part of her class project? Thank you for your consideration. This is the first time most of these students are working with Wikipedia articles. I, the other campus ambassador for this class, and the instructor are monitoring the content as well. We appreciate your vigilance for keeping inappropriate material off of Wikipedia. Thanks again for considering my request on behalf of this student.

Regards, Julie Jktanaka (talk) 05:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

No, absolutely not. The issue here is not plagiarism but copyright. The material in the student's sandbox was a long passage copied from a textbook, "Housing policy in the United States" by Alex F. Schwartz. I explained both to the student and to the other campus ambassador that "for legal reasons Wikipedia cannot accept copyright material, not even in user pages, not even temporarily." If copyright material is to be reworked for an article, that must be done off-line, and always bearing in mind that paraphrasing may not be enough to avoid a copyright violation, as explained in WP:Close paraphrasing.

Just adding citations to a lengthy copied passage is not enough to avoid violating copyright. From Wikipedia:Copy-paste:

Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea. Copyrighted text must be attributed and clearly marked as a quote. Extensive quotation of copyrighted text is prohibited even if correctly cited.

I am very concerned that this has not been clearly explained to you in your briefing as a Campus Ambassador. Please read Wikipedia:Copy-paste, ask all your students to read it, and also ask whoever is your supervisor in the USEP to read it and explain it to other CAs. Copyright is a very serious issue for Wikipedia, and it is a considerable drain on volunteer resources to have to check incoming material for it. See WT:IEP as an awful warning: another student outreach program where the number of copyright violations has been such as to lead for calls for the program to be shut down, and where a major effort is going to have to be mounted to screen every one of its contributions. I hoped that the USEP would have briefed its CAs better. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. I will reemphasize the copyright policy to all involved in this project Jktanaka (talk) 14:05, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Good. Sorry if the above is rather sharp - getting this vital message across sometimes seems like shouting into empty air! JohnCD (talk) 18:09, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

John, thanks for taking the time to explain this to us. I'm the instructor for KRider's class, and also learning about what the issues are in contributing to Wikipedia. The whole class as well is learning about how to use and contribute to Wikipedia. While I admit we were all taken aback to have the sandbox deleted, I do see from your explanation why you thought that was necessary.Rachel Garshick Kleit (talk) 18:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem, it's what I'm here for, though I hoped someone else would have done it already. It's worth reading (as few people do) the warnings below the edit box, to see what you are agreeing and committing to when you press "Save page". Wikipedia's CC-BY-SA license is (and as a free encyclopedia is intended to be) very broad, permitting copying, modification and re-use for any purpose including commercial, and there can be big trouble with the real copyright owner if that is done without their consent. There used to be a "bot", an automatic system, that did much of the copyvio-checking of incoming stuff, but owing to some technical problem with the Google interface it is down at the moment and the whole load falls on human volunteers. The Indian trainwreck is causing something of a backlash against student outreach programs, and it would be a pity to reinforce that, so it is very important to spread the word. Wikipedia:Copy-paste is a good, simple statement - please get everybody to read it, often. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 11:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Eugene Puryear

Could you restore Eugene Puryear? He was a candidate for Vice President and sources will be found.--TM 20:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Done - as a contested proposed deletion, the article has been restored on request. I will notify William S. Saturn (talk), who proposed it, in case he wishes to consider nominating it at WP:Articles for deletion. Note that per WP:POLITICIAN, just being an unelected candidate for political office is not enough to establish notability; you will need references to show notability independent of that. JohnCD (talk) 20:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

But of course. I have added multiple sources which point to his notability as a leading anti-war activist on top of his campaign for vice president.--TM 22:06, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

kevin viera

fuck you man i was only doing that to becuse wikipedia has so much shit on it why cant i put me on it you jackass — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.249.147.238 (talk • contribs)

(talk page stalker) I was going to revert this for full on vandalism but thought oh well, may as well give someone a lesson. Your article was deleted for WP:A7, i.e. the article was about a real person, but didn't indicate importance or significance that is why should an article exist on Wikipedia. At time of writing this there are 3,804,160 articles we would have, well, a lot more if we had every Tom Dick and Harry writing articles about themselves. Please remain WP:Civil, my first article got deleted too but I didn't get ^thatangry at it. Sorry if this causes an edit conflict John. Matthew Thompson ^{talk to me bro!} 10:24, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Matthew - I was hesitating between a rather ruder reply or just deleting it. It's eighteen months since his article was deleted, so he's not a regular reader. JohnCD (talk) 13:03, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

ACF

The Article Creation Flow mock up was quickly put together by Brandon Harris as a peace offering after he rejected the strong Wikipedia consensus to limit the creation of new pages to autoconfirmed users. That project, generally referred to now, as WP:ACTRIAL, was born out of a need to control the creation of new pages (rather than new articles) up to 80% of which will be deleted anyway, and which the current system of NPP can no longer cope with. Article Creation Flow is a kind of of hybrid of AfC and Article Wizard and is an excellent demonstration of how landing and instructional pages could have a far more inviting look, and provide a much greater user-friendly process for the creation of new articles by new users. However, as you have noted, development appears to have stalled for nearly three months and not gone beyond at the initial discussion at MediaWiki. Following initiatives begun in October 2010, the proposal for WP:ACTRIAL was well researched and the RfC subscribed by around 500 users that provided the clear consensus took place in March. At the general pace of developments of this kind, including their trials, if work was to commence now, it could take up to a furtherr 12 months or more before Article Creation Flow would finally be implemented. In the face of the current education programmes that will cause a desired increase in new articles, but also an undesired increase in unwanted pages, and the recent huge backlog at Articles for Creation, it is probably time to prioritise this project and start moving forward. It remains to be seen how this can now be begun in earnest. Its sister project, the NPP Zoom that is equally important, is also moving at a slow tempo, and early this month I devised and initiated a survey in an endeavour to speed up and address the issues of NPP more directly. It is not known yet how, and by whom, the data from that survey will be used once it has been analysed and summarised by the WMF. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:58, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I read the ACTRIAL refusal, one of the most depressing things I have read since I joined. On that basis, I expect my idea will be refused too - "mustn't discourage Myspacers and spammers - why not improve schoolyard gossip and advertisements instead of deleting them?" Bah! JohnCD (talk) 11:05, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Hyland Edgar Driver

Hello John, I would like to request restoration of the article for Hyland Edgar Driver. I concur that the stub likely did not demonstrate sufficient notability at the time of its deletion, but I was unable to work on it to address this issue during my extended absence. Thank you. KimChee (talk) 13:31, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding sourcing needed for the notability issue: landscaping of the London 2012 Olympic Stadium (among others). KimChee (talk) 13:36, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I have "userfied" the page to User:KimChee/Hyland Edgar Driver where you can work on it, but it will take more than than to demonstrate notability. Advice on your talk page soon. JohnCD (talk) 16:33, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Thank you! KimChee (talk) 21:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)