Talk:HAL Tejas

Attempt to shorten article

I have attempted to shorten the article by removing unnecessary sections and merging them with others.I have also attempted to remove unnecessary information and well as correct grammatical errors. If edits are not satisfactory then i will revert the changes--Nuclearram (talk) 12:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

IOC FOC?

so has the IOC for the LCA taken place??? or has the FOC taken place??? when will mass production start? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buklaodord (talk • contribs) 05:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

For a suitable yet respectful place for Dr. Kota Harinarayana

I wanted to give suitable yet respectful place to Dr. Kota Harinarayan in main page. So added few lines under "Father of LCA". Requesting people[s] taking of HAL Tejas to take necessary action. But at the same time requesting to not remove his name entirely.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki4rahul (talk • contribs) 08:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Tactical conception

Why is India building a fighter that is clearly inferior to most late-model fourth and fifth generation fighters? The Tejas appears obsolescent before it is event fielded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.111.29.1 (talk) 23:13, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry dont see a question or point related to the article's improvement, remember this is not a discussion forum. MilborneOne (talk) 23:18, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

http://asiasentinel.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2928&Itemid=32 "It is part of the story of India's lamentable and expensive history of domestic defense procurement programs," said a London-based security analyst. The analyst also questioned the aircraft's role, asking: "What is a 'lightweight fighter' in the Indian strategic context given their large number of highly capable Russian long-range aircraft? Is it an advanced trainer or intended for use in low intensity operations, i.e. against internal insurgents?"

Role and ref, as requested. Hcobb (talk) 16:30, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Tejas-has-just-reached-semi-final-stage-Antony/articleshow/7257996.cms There has been discussion recently about the performance and production status of the aircraft. Taking the status of the MMRCA program into consideration we may have jumped the gun on this aircraft. -Nem1yan (talk) 01:08, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Why article is titled 'HAL LCA' when LCA is ADA's

I would like to raise my objection to the use of "HAL LCA" as title. As we know HAL is only just a partner in LCA program but do not have any say in design. The nodal authority for LCA's design and development is ADA, so it will be much better if we change the name of the article to ADA LCA.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki4rahul (talk • contribs) 20:26, 29 January 2011

As far as I can see the article is titled HAL Tejas, it is about the aircraft built by HAL and name Tejas. MilborneOne (talk) 21:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, the actual name of the aircraft is 'LCA Tejas' or something like that. I'll try and find the actual name. But in response to wiki4rahul, on Wikipedia, it doesn't matter who created the plane. Its the actual name, or the common name that matters. TheMike •^{Wassup doc?} 16:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

LCA (Light Combat Aircraft) is the name for the program. This name was also associated with the aircraft, until it was named Tejas. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:27, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

general characteristics section and references

I was viewing the General Characteristics section of this article and as i looked to the references for that section all three of those references have different data for the LCA...... for example reference 76 says LCA has a G limit of +9/-3.5G's which is not even included in the section but it should be

Reference 77 has a dead page so i don't even know how someone could use that as a reference Onlyonfridays (talk) 04:30, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Will look into it. Yes Michael? •^Talk 10:02, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Add a {{dead link}} tag and see WP:Link rot for how to handle it. Update: The links in references 76, 77 78 are all working for me now. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:41, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

they all work for me now as well but anyways in reference 77 it says LCA has thrust weight ratio of 1.07 and a service ceiling of 50,000 feet and a empty weight of 6,500kg but it doesn't show that for the general characteristics section it has something different written on there and just wondering can I add the Angle of attack and the G limits to the general characteristics section since ref 76 and 77 show data for both of them? Onlyonfridays (talk) 20:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

thrust weight ratio

on here it says the Tejas thrust weight ratio is 0.91 but in reference 76 it says its 1.07 i'll take the liberty of correcting it --Honorprevails123 (talk) 00:09, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

The source doesnt calculate the ratio in the same fashion as wikipedia aviation articles. Unless another thrust is presented with a lower weight or higher thrust the ratio cant be changed. -Nem1yan (talk) 00:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

understood. thanks for explaining --Honorprevails123 (talk) 03:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

comparison with other 4th gen fighters

could we create a section comparing Tejas to other 4th generation fighter jets? in terms of avionics and aerodynamics? --Honorprevails123 (talk) 03:16, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

From what I've been told the list was removed from this article due to heavy vandalism (or something along those lines). I'm not against adding one again, but there might be some friction when deciding which aircraft belong on the list. -Nem1yan (talk) 15:55, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

well since Tejas is a 4th gen fighter it should compare well with other 4th gen fighters in terms of avionics and aerodynamics i'm guessing any other 4th gen fighter jet can compare with it e.g F-16, Mirage 2000, MiG-29 etc --Honorprevails123 (talk) 22:19, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Comparison sections tend to be discoraged as they tend to be WP:OR magnets - and in this case it will just attract POV edit warring - its best left out.Nigel Ish (talk) 22:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I support comparison section. If aircrafts, like Gripen, F-16, F-CK-1, Tigershark already feature Tejas as 'comparable aircraft' so what exactly is the problem if it too mention those as 'Comparable aircraft'? I suggest we put fighters that are really comparable i.e. not just in same gen but also same wight class (like Gripen) in 'Comparable' tab and those who cause controversy (like F/A-18) in 'See Also' tab. Swift&silent (talk) 13:00, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The comparable aircraft list in the See also section is not a comparison section. This list was removed here due to edit warring over it. This has been done with a couple other articles for the same reason. -Fnlayson (talk) 15:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

The similar aircraft list was removed as it caused edit wars and was really all opinion based. So we dont need the list or any comparison, the readers can use the specification section and related text and do comparisons themselves. MilborneOne (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

@Fnlayson Thanks for clearing things out. I got confused as MilborneOne reverted this edit [[1]] in which I added 'Comparable Aircraft' section. This section was added simply because Gripen has same section linking to this aircraft and thus it seemed logical to add this section. MilborneOne stated that "article consensus was not to include comparable aircraft". So, I got confused. Whats your take on adding Gripen in 'Comparable aircraft' section. If you think it will cause disruption then I too will agree on removal of that section. Swift&silent (talk) 17:47, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

My latest ref added to this article says that even the IAF doesn't think it is a 4th gen fighter. Also, why are our prices in dollars? Hcobb (talk) 15:07, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

permission to remove Python 5 from armaments section

there is no source that says the Israeli Python 5 missile is used on the LCA Tejas or will be used on the LCA Tejas the R-77, R-73, Astra, and Derby missiles have sources that indicate they will be used on the LCA Tejas but no source for the Python 5 --Honorprevails123 (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Source about Derby for LCA Tejas | link.इति इतिUAनेति नेति Humour Thisthat2011 15:58, 24 May 2012 (UTC)