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Contested deletion

This page should not be speedily deleted because... The replacement version is substantially the same. Edit the current article rather than deleting it. I am failing to see the need to delete if it's just going to be "replaced" with a nearly identical article. --Resplendent (talk) 05:21, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Moot, deletion removed.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:24, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comparing non-differences

The purpose of the comparison chart is to list the differences between editions. Therefore, any feature that is identical in every edition shouldn't appear on the chart. Windows 7 editions follows this rule, with one exception right now that only came about because Microsoft changed their support plans after the chart was created. - Josh (talk | contribs) 16:16, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see now. Feel free to revert now, but be prepared to write a paragraph showing the shared features.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:28, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't renaming the section 'Feature Comparison Chart' allow the chart to remain as is without trimming it for brevity sake. I would suggest that the list may change by RTM and the time to trim would be after public release of the OS. Doyna Yar (talk) 22:07, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 8 China edition

There's all this talk about the "China edition" of Windows 8 Microsoft introduced to the Chinese market to curb software piracy in China (see [1], [2]). Should it be placed into the article? NoNews! 13:34, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Upgrade compatibility; XP and Vista paths to Win8 Pro

Microsoft's 'Blogging Windows' site has mentioned an upgrade path for Windows XP and Windows Vista, (as well as Win7) to Win8 pro. The chart must be updated to reflect this. Doyna Yar (talk) 22:27, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They really meant that you can buy an upgrade version of Windows 8, but you still have to do a clean install on XP and Vista.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:36, 3 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi.
You seem to be right. Screenshots included in that blog show the same upgrade path that is available on Release Preview and Consumer's Preview.
Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:54, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Features that are in all editions

Hi.

Should we include the features that are present in all editions of Windows 8 in table or shouldn't we? More specifically, I am referring to the recent edits ([3], [4]) by User:Shiroishimatora (which seem to borderline on edit warring) in which he removed the shared features.

My take on this matter is that these shared features must be included, regardless of their inclusion in Features new to Windows 8. First, because a comparison is not about differences only but also about similarities. Second, absence does not always mean "shared". Most of the time, especially in Wikipedia, absence means incompleteness. In other words, when user sees that a specific feature he is looking for is absent from the table, he simply assumes that Wikipedians have not yet got around to include it. Last but not least, not all the features that Shiroishimatora deleted are included in "Features new to Windows 8".

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 00:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Windows embedded standard 8 is also an edition

Wes 8 is also an edition from microsoft,so it should be added in. Zapper067 (talk) 13:04, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Zapper067
I am afraid I disagree. WES 8 belongs to Windows Embedded family. You see, Microsoft has released numerous operating systems that are somewhat built on Windows 8 foundation (like Windows Phone 8 and Windows Server 8) but they are not an edition of Windows 8.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well the article Windows Embedded also did not talk about that.Also Windows XP and 7 pages say it as an edition,so there is something wrong there too.--Zapper067 (talk) 13:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Zapper067
A "Windows XP Embedded" is indeed listed in Windows XP editions article but that article is really a mess of different irrelevant editions. Basically everything that is remotely related to XP is mentioned there. However, Windows Vista editions and Windows 7 editions articles only mention the embedded brand. Their comparison charts and their detailed listings do not have any "embedded" edition in them. If you wish to mention Windows 8 Embedded in separate "Derivatives" section, as in Windows 7 editions, why, go ahead.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 14:02, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Windows 8 Pro VL

as far as I know the install-media for "Windows 8" and "Windows 8 Pro" is identical, the install-key decides what u get, now on MSDN you find following iso images for download

  • Windows 8
  • Windows 8 Pro VL

the "Windows 8" iso and the "Windows 8 Pro VL" iso are not the same

so what's the difference between "Windows 8 Pro" and "Windows 8 Pro VL"?

--92.228.166.108 (talk) 18:13, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

VL images have different license agreements and do not require the user to enter the license key at install time (it can either be entered later from a Licensing server or manually, e.g. from the command prompt). The install keys are also different (there are 3 "flavors" of keys: Retail, OEM and VL that are not interchangeable, one cannot be used to activate a copy installed from media that is built for a diferent kind of key. OEM media is not available from MSDN)
Ecrz (talk) 21:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Add Features to Windows 8

Having installed Windows 8 Enterprise (RTM version, media from MSDN), I have seen that this item is missing from the control panel. There is a related item "Turn Windows features on or off" that is present but is different. The importance of the "Add features to Windows 8" is that currently it is the only officially announced way to add Media Center.

There are a number of online discussions that Media Center for Windows 8 cannot be added to Win8 Enterprise and that this is an area where Win8 Enterprise offers less than Win8 Pro. In some of the discussions, people are basing their install decisions based on the information in this page and annoyed when they cannot add Media Center.

Since Media Center for Windows 8 is still unreleased and things may change I didn't want to specifically call out that it is missing but I thought it was relevant to note that Enterprise is not a 100% super-set, that some things may not be available. Since the control panel item not showing up is something easily verifiable, that is why I added that info (and then people can do their own research on what are the consequences, if any, of that being missing).

I considered adding it to the table. From the information available about Media Center it is easy to infer that Win8 and Win8 Pro do offer this feature (and WinRT probably doesn't but that wasn't completely clear). However, since all I have installed is Win8 Enterprise, I didn't want to add info I couldn't satisfactorily verify so I left the table as is.

Ecrz (talk) 21:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The table already says that Media Center is not available in Enterprise. The "Add features" thing really is Windows Anytime Upgrade which has never applied to an Enterprise edition of any version of Windows.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
OK, I found some "non-original research" (with screenshots) at http://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/36162-Windows-8-Pro-Enterprise-and-Media-Center. At this point however, I've already done the same edit twice and I don't want to be stubborn by re-doing it a third time to have it removed for whatever other reason. Jasper, if you agree please add it back (undo your undo?).
By the way, you are saying: "Windows Anytime Upgrade which has never applied to an Enterprise edition of any version of Windows". Doesn't that mean it is unavailable from Enterprise editions and should qualify to be in the list of differences? ;)
Ecrz (talk) 22:01, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Anytime Upgrade was never considered a feature of any version of Windows, and the same applies to the "Add Features" thing in Windows 8. Even if a forum were a reliable source (which it is not), it's not a difference between the editions, per see.--Jasper Deng (talk) 22:03, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The big problem is that the initial summary says that Enterprise supports "all the features" that Pro supports and in reality the table says something else (Media Center). Technically you may argue that the ability to support a certain upgrade is not a feature per se, however, for people trying to make a decision it can be an important point and they couldn't care less about the technicality. Also, it is pretty common for people to read the article until they find the info they need, most often they won't read the entire article in detail to see if there is some caveat buried further down in a different section.
Ecrz (talk) 23:00, 19 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'll note the Media Center exception, which should be sufficient.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Windows Phone 8

Based on Windows_Phone#Windows_Phone_8 and Windows_Phone_version_history#Windows_Phone_8 - WP8 is based on Win8RT. I propose adding this edition to the comparison table (after WP8 is officially launched with sufficient sources to backup the yes/no assumptions currently presented below):

Comparison of Windows 8 editions[1][2]
Eigenschaften Windows Phone 8 Windows RT Windows 8 Windows 8 Pro Windows 8 Enterprise
Compatible with current Windows Applications No No[3] Yes Yes Yes
Availability[4] Pre-installed on devices Pre-installed on devices[5] Most channels Most channels Volume License customers
Architecture ARM (32-bit) ARM (32-bit) IA-32 (32-bit) or x86-64 (64-bit) IA-32 (32-bit) or x86-64 (64-bit) IA-32 (32-bit) or x86-64 (64-bit)
Trusted boot Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Picture password ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
Start screen, Semantic Zoom, Live Tiles Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Touch and Thumb keyboard Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Language packs ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
Updated Windows Explorer ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
Standard apps[a] Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Phone apps[b] Yes ? ? ? ?
File History ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
Refresh and reset of OS Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Play To Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Connected standby Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Windows Update Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Windows Defender ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
Better multi-monitor support ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
New Windows Task Manager ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
ISO image and VHD mounting ? Yes Yes Yes Yes
Mobile broadband features Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Microsoft account Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Internet Explorer 10 Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
SmartScreen Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Windows Store Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Xbox Live app (including Xbox Live Arcade)[6][7] Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Exchange ActiveSync Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Snap No Yes Yes Yes Yes
Can connect to a VPN? Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
Microsoft Office apps bundled with OS[c] Yes Yes via separate purchase via separate purchase via separate purchase
Desktop ? Partial Yes Yes Yes
Storage Spaces No No Yes Yes Yes
Windows Media Player No No Yes Yes Yes
Windows Media Center No No No Via an add-in[8] No
Remote Desktop ? Client only Client only Client and host Client and host
Encryption Device encryption Device encryption[d] No BitLocker and BitLocker To Go BitLocker and BitLocker To Go
Encrypting File System No No No Yes Yes
Boot from VHD No No No Yes Yes
Can join a Windows domain? No No No Yes Yes
Group Policy No No No Yes Yes
AppLocker No No No Yes Yes
Hyper-V[10] No No No On 64-bit versions only with SLAT capable CPU
Windows To Go No No No No Yes
DirectAccess No No No No Yes
BranchCache[e] No No No No Yes
Can be virtualized by RemoteFX? No No No No Yes
Modern UI Style App deployment (of internal applications) Yes No No No Yes
  1. ^ Includes Mail, Calendar, People, Messaging, Photos, Reader, Music, Video, and SkyDrive app
  2. ^ Includes Phone, Clock/Timer/Alarm, Flashlight, FM radio apps
  3. ^ Includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote
  4. ^ Device encryption, a feature introduced in Windows Mobile 6.5, encrypts the contents of a mobile device to enhance their security.[9]
  5. ^ BranchCache, a feature of Windows 7 and later, locally caches contents received from a file server or web server to enable faster subsequent uses.[11]
  1. ^ Cite error: The named reference official1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Thurott, Paul (18 April 2012). "Microsoft Details Windows 8 Enterprise". Penton Media. Retrieved 18 April 2012.
  3. ^ What’s The Difference Between Windows 8 & Windows RT?
  4. ^ Thurott, Paul (16 April 2012). "News Flash! Microsoft Stops SKUing Customers with Windows 8". Penton Media. Retrieved 17 April 2012.
  5. ^ Cite error: The named reference rpcmag1 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  6. ^ "Windows 8 To Integrate Xbox Live Support". Maximum PC. Retrieved 2011-08-29.
  7. ^ "Windows 8 Feature Focus: Xbox LIVE Games". Paul Thurrott's Supersite for Windows. Retrieved 2012-04-21.
  8. ^ Leblanc, Brandon. "Upgrade to Windows 8 Pro for $39.99". Blogging Windows. Microsoft. Retrieved 2012-07-03. If you install the Windows 8 Pro System Builder product, you will be able to add Windows Media Center via the "add features" option within the product for free during the promotion.
  9. ^ "Device Encryption". MSDN Library. Microsoft. 8 April 2010. Retrieved 9 July 2012.
  10. ^ Sinofsky, Steven (9 July 2011). "Bringing Hyper-V to "Windows 8"". Building Windows 8. Microsoft. Retrieved 15 May 2012.
  11. ^ "BranchCache". Windows Server 2008 R2 homepage. Microsoft. Retrieved 9 July 2012.

Corrections are welcome, but please drop a note pointing what's wrong. Ianteraf (talk) 08:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Windows Phone 8 is a distinct OS from Windows RT, especially in its user interface, and is targeted for different devices. Therefore I don't think we should make such an addition.--Jasper Deng (talk) 02:45, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, there are UI differences (WP8 lacks Desktop?), but nevertheless the non-UI components of the OS are from the same pot (+/- some components), so it's valuable to have both compared side-by-side. Most of the items in the table are actually non-UI, thus highly relevant for that comparison. Ianteraf (talk) 09:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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