Talk:Brad Boyd

Clear errors of fact corrected about Fitzroy in this article

It's a matter of public record that the Fitzroy Football Club still plays in its own right, albeit not in the AFL - now in the VAFA - and is not a part of the Brisbane Lions. Hence any claim that Fitzroy no longer competes as a club and somehow merged with Brisbane is not true and shouldn't be posted as such in Wikipedia articles like this one.

What is true is that Brisbane took over the AFL operations. As detailed by Fitzroy on the club's website (http://www.fitzroyfc.com.au), and within Wikipedia itself for a long time now in the entry about the Fitzroy Football Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzroy_Football_Club). And both the club website and that Wikipedia entry clearly show that Fitzroy still exist and compete as a club on the field.

Since Fitzroy obviously still exist as a club, both on and off the field, it is simply false to claim that 1996 was the club's last season, and false, for instance, to say that Boyd was the club's last captain. So I've corrected these points.

121.210.232.42 (talk) 13:20, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

The Fitzroy Football Club article says there was a "merger of its AFL playing operations". You don't seem to object to that wording or else you'd have changed it. There's nothing factually incorrect in saying they "merged". The exact details of the merge are irrelevant on an article about a player. In fact, 420 articles on the official AFL website refer to it as a merger.[1]. Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 20:57, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Exactly."This merger of the club operations of Fitzroy and the Brisbane Bears at the AFL level, formed the Brisbane Lions" sums it up.. calling it a merger when minutiae isn't required is reasonable. Seems more reasonable than denying any Fitzroy involvement in the Lions' formation. 58.96.125.138 (talk) 00:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

As to your latest comment there Jevansen, the fact the Bears took over/absorbed/merged Fitzroy's AFL operations in 1996, as the result of an agreement signed between Fitzroy and the Bears during that year, doesn't somehow mean the clubs merged, does it.

Fitzroy were involved as far as the administrator at the time, before we came out of administration, allowing Brisbane to take control of our AFL operations by way of that agreement. But Fitzroy never ceased club operations independently. Hence no merger between the clubs.

121.210.232.42 (talk) 04:04, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Since the Fitzroy Football Club still exists, and is not in any way part of the Brisbane Lions Football Club, clearly it is factually incorrect to say they "merged". The continued existence and operation of Fitzroy FC proves that beyond any possibility of doubt.

If Fitzroy had merged with Brisbane to form one club, we wouldn't still exist as an independent club, would we?

I honestly don't see how you're missing this fundamental point.

Whether or not X number of pages on Google claim such a merger somehow took place is entirely irrelevant. It wouldn't matter in the slightest even if you had thousands of such pages claiming Fitzroy ceased to exist outside of the Brisbane Lions. The club clearly does continue to operate, and has never been a part of Brisbane.

121.210.232.42 (talk) 17:28, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

If the AFL, Brisbane Lions and almost single source that talks about the formation of the Lions refer to it as a merger, then so should we. No one is denying that Fitzroy still exist as a club, but almost every source says simply that there was a merger (not specifying AFL Operations) which demonstrates that it is accepted terminology. I'm going to again revert back to the original version of this page, before this dispute, if you want to take this further I'd suggest the best way forward would be to request community input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football. Or if you want a third opinion from someone not involved in AFL editing, you can go to Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests/Third Opinion. Reverting won't get you anywhere. Also, in case there is any confusion, I'd just like to clarify that IP 58 isn't me. Cheers. Jevansen (talk) 07:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

As far as other opinions go, I'm contemplating informing the club about it. Or perhaps you should ask the club admin yourself. They're easy enough to contact.

This isn't about semantics, as I'm sure they'd tell you also. If the Fitzroy Football Club still continues to exist and operate as an independent organisation in the same way as the club always has since its formation in 1883, and is not in any way owned or otherwise incorporated within the Brisbane Lions Football Club, then there is no merger. It's as simple as that.

I'd suggest you get yourself a copy of the 1996 agreement and see what it says. Fitzroy were not absorbed into Brisbane. Which is manifestly obvious, of course. Brisbane took our AFL operations and some of our players, and changed their name.

The only actual merger Fitzroy FC have been involved in, is that which saw us incorporate the Fitzroy Reds at the end of 2008.

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