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Remove cleanup tag?

After some work on this page and futher checks, who agrees we remove the cleanup tag? ant_ie 22:08, 25 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Still An Active Unit?

The article says "The Special Anti-Terrorist Fighting Unit confronted and continues to confront attempts by members or sympathisers of different terrorist movements to enter Romania.", however, this link says otherwise: "(26 Mar. 2001). While it was unclear whether the USLA was eventually replaced by other units, after 1990, the SRI referred to "specialized units of the Romanian Intelligence Service" and the Inspectorate for Preventing and Fighting Terrorism (SRI n.d.)."

--LoganCale 18:02, 26 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

BAT, not USLA

Hello, USLA ceased to exist in 1990, together with the Securitate. Securitate was split into 5 secret services (SRI, SIE, SPP, STS and ANS), with SRI being the country's main intelligence service. As such, USLA has been renamed Brigada Anti-Terorista (BAT) and is incorporated into SRI. The articles on Wikipedia citing USLA as a currently existing unit are wrong, regardless of the US website cited as source. USLA existed between 1977-1990, and was renamed to BAT from 1990 to present day. Therefore, all the references regarding the unit since early 1990 onwards must use the term BAT or Brigada Anti-tero a SRI. This must also be incorporated into the List of Special Forces by country page, where USLA is depicted as a present day unit under the category 'Police'.

Thanks a lot for your information. By the way, can you send me sources citing the unit's recent history? That will surely help me and other interested Wikipedians in the re-organisation of the article. Cheers. --Nkcs 01:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources and citations

Yes Nkcs, here are some sources: www.sri.ro - SRI's homepage says: La 26 decembrie 1989 , Unitatea Specială de Luptă Antiteroristă a fost încorporată în structura Ministerului Apărării Naţionale, după care, în baza Decretului CPUN nr. 181 din 26 martie 1990, privind înfiinţarea Serviciului Român de Informaţii, de la data de 1 iulie 1990 Unitatea ia denumirea de BRIGADA ANTITERORISTĂ (BAT) şi îşi desfăşoară activitatea ca structură centrală de profil a Serviciului Român de Informaţii. Which means that on the 26th of december 1989 USLA was incorporated into the Ministry of Defense, and it was returned to SRI on the 1st of july 1990 under the name Brigada Anti-terorista (BAT). Same as I wrote before. Therefore, the existence of both USLA and BAT as active units on the Wikipedia page is an error. USLA was born in 1977, and it changed its name in 1990 to BAT. Also, one more observation, the last paragraph in the article which states that USLA acted with tanks etc, and used ammunition forbidden by the treaty of Geneva thus killing innocent demonstrators which put flowers into their rifles, is straight out of a sci-fi movie. BAT is not Alfa (of FSB). They didn't use forbidden ammunition, weren't helped by tanks (in fact lt-col Trosca's team was killed by a tank!) and they didn't shoot innocent by-standards. The line is an unverified statement and an offense to Romania itself as it suggests illegal ammunition was used and the Geneva convention was not respected. Unless Wikipedia can find a **serious**, legal source to cite that information, I suggest that paragraph should be removed.

Alleged atrocities

The last paragraph has no evidence in reality. Stating that USLA operators were helped by tanks, that they killed 48 peaceful demonstrators, or that they followed and killed civilians in hospitals is a fantasy, to say the least. I read all the information on SRI's official website regarding USLA, as well as dozens of interviews with members and commanders, both from USLA and the Ministry of Defense, and never came across things even close to those allegations. Unless someone will come up with at least three official documents to sustain such atrocities, I will remove the last paragraph of the article by April 1st. WikiRaptor 01:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have completely removed the last paragraph, which had no sources, no basis in reality, was offending and inappropriate to say the least. I waited for two extra months for someone to present decent sources for that paragraph. WikiRaptor 19:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]