User talk:Drmies

Jag är Ikea. This user stands with Sweden. Je suis Ikea.

Holiday card

Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas, Drmies!

"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw(talk) 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho

Iryna Harpy (talk) is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec16a}} to your friends' talk pages.

Precious five years!

Precious

Five years!

Thank you also for the help above! - Did you follow the discussion on classical music (Reger), which eventually may need someone to merge two articles, not so much the content as the complicated histories? - I heard the Dutch violinist mentioned further up in a concert conducted by Dirk Kaftan. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you, my dear Gerda; it is much appreciated, though my contributions in article space are minuscule compared to yours, and so are my contributions to articles you worked on. So no, I have not followed the discussion, and if time permits I will look at it in the next day or two. Thank you again, and thank you also for you many improvements to our beautiful project. Drmies (talk) 19:06, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, - one thing about precious is not to compare ;) - some get it for their first DYK, some for gnomish edits, - we all do what we can. - I noticed strange moves of user pages just now, by User:R-athrill, please take a look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

The strange moves were repaired, no need to look ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:22, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

I would create Category:Editors who wish they will one day be considered precious by Gerda, but after the LHvU category debacle I'm sure it would be deleted forthwith.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:37, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Such people could just nominate themselves on the talk page, also suggest others, also pass Precious themselves. It's an easy template now that everybody can fill. - I don't have my eyes everywhere, and typically stop looking when I found one a day. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:32, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

No self-noms or handouts for me, I'll earn it the hard way or die trying :) --Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:46, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Ah, it's Ponyo; that means it's a party. Gerda, please grab the cheese and crackers (the good cheese, from the back of the cheese drawer), and I'll get us a beer. We are having a Van Honsebrouck Fond Tradition. If you don't like it sour, and yeasted au naturel, you're out of luck. Woohoo! Drmies (talk) 23:55, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

A beer should emulate its drinker; I have a strong preference for cold and bitter. Cheers!--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 00:30, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Haha, I think Bishonen would agree that sour and au naturel fits me like a glove. I may have an IPA for you--these gueuzes are pretty light anyway, and I wouldn't mind more beer. It's President's Day! Yay! Drmies (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

...what beer emulates the president I wonder :) O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 05:25, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

The president doesn't drink. Drmies (talk) 15:33, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

At ALL?! Not even dihydrogen monoxide? Holy liquid abstinence, Bicyclerepairman! Must be a super-power of some sort 47.222.203.135 (talk) 16:36, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

• He's a breatharian. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:06, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

• "The future's bright, the future's Orange". Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Drmies, thanks for Biber. Do you think the musician with whom she played might have been this one? You don't have to make proper refs, just your nice prose and a url with a title ;) - Any trace of the Beethoven she must have played at the Concertgebouw? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:49, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

You're welcome. Yes, there was more, and maybe I'll have another look. I'll look at that name, and for the Beethoven show. I want to check out the video in that article, BTW, but I gotta run--I'm busy today, and I just pinged you from an alternate reality; no need to jump on anything, just fair warning that I'm spreading your name around as a seasoned DYK contributor. :) Drmies (talk) 18:40, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Now I found this. What does the title mean? Anything else that can be taken from it? I used it to source the Beethoven concerts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

... and another --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

... and an interview --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

... someone (who) about her national prize --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:22, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

• Gerda, thanks for the reminder. Sorry. The "Theaterdeveste" thing is just the program for that theater, for a "Sunday morning concert": nothing but Beethoven. I usually don't take such pages to source stuff; they prove it happened, not that it was important. NRC is of course eminently reliable: "Impassioned duo crawls under Beethoven's skin"--but under the skin in a good way, meaning something like "emulate". She sees "Beethoven niet ... als een onbenaderbaar orakel, maar als een mens van vlees en bloed, een verwante geest waar ze affiniteit mee heeft", "She regards Beethoven not as an unapproachable oracle, but as a human of flesh and blood, a kindred spirit with which she has an affinity". "...volgden met seismografische precisie de grillige bewegingen van zijn heftige gemoed"--"with seismographic precision they followed the capricious movements of his powerwul mood". "Liza Ferschtman is zonder twijffel de meest muzikale en getalenteerde onder de jonge Nederlandse violisten" ["twijfel" is with one f], "LF is, without a doubt, the most musical and talented among young Dutch violin players". Opus Klassiek (don't know that outfit, but they have an editorial board and named contributors), "I want to be the honest musician". It's a long interview and Google Translate might help you navigate; I can translate a passage or two if you can identify which. :) Drmies (talk) 15:16, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, that helps! I'll look, later, another singer first and a cellist, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Extra eyes

By which I mean, the two you already have. The subject is high profile, and it looks like someone who knows them is removing content they don't like at Anthony Scaramucci. Thoughts and comments appreciated. Very best, 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 03:47, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Scaramucci, Scaramucci, will you do the Fandango?!

Thank you, Dr. I do try to save some of the more interesting ones for you. And thank you, Fortuna--well played! 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 14:10, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Another WP:SPA has removed the passage sourced to a recent New York magazine interview, again. Methinks some COI accounts are trying to polish this up, and as an IP I can not restore the paragraph, because Mr. Scaramucci cursed a bit--the sensors (censors) think I'm trying to vandalize the article. If I register to do so it kind of looks like I'm using WP:MULTIPLE accounts to war, so I'm requesting some sort of help. Thanks, 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 20:30, 9 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay- I've restored the material and left a TP comment (on their talk, I mean). — O Fortuna! ^{Imperatrix mundi.} 09:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

A request

Drmies, I was wondering, as the mop who took the initiative to block Hijiri88 the last time he dragged one of his feuds on to my talk page (before anyone even need to ask--that's efficiency), can I ask you to monitor this new situation? I am going to busy with serious professional and homelife obligations the next few days, and I don't care to have it explode all over my page while I am gone. I know it's a big ask, and I'm not asking you to do anything you wouldn't do if you have just stumbled on the situation yourself (as you did last time), but I really don't want to get drawn in to this drama. Snow ^{let's rap} 06:10, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, SR, thank you for notifying me that you were essentially asking for me to be blocked.

I found a very disturbing message written about me on reddit, and it looked like you were the one who wrote it. I asked you if it was you, and, while your response could have been "No. Sorry, but I have no idea who wrote that." or even "No, but that really does look twisted. I hope whoever posted it isn't still editing.", you decided to post a long string of personal attacks against me and, once again, bring up the name of a user I have been IBANned with for two years and who hasn't edited in months. It's impossible to discuss things with you when you constantly do this. I emailed two separate admins about this Yunshui, who said he agreed your behaviour was problematic but didn't want to touch the drahms for the next few months, and User:Boing! said Zebedee who said he'd look it into when he was less busy after that weekend, but I didn't push it beyond that because your most recent flareup had already died down by that weekend. But at this point now that you've dragged Drmies into this I'd be just as happy to have him do the honours.

Drmies: The only reason I didn't email you was because I was fairly certain you wouldn't want to touch this, and I still won't be disappointed if you just hat this sction and tell us both to go away. I'll forward you the email I sent Yunsh and Boing, anyway.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:28, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

So let me get this straight. You come to my talk page, out of the blue, and twice make an insulting, serious accusation of misconduct against me without one shred of evidence or even any kind of mental process other than picking my name out of a hat of people who have critically examined your behaviour in ANI threads concerning your social conduct on this project months ago, and I am the one whose behaviour is troubling? Because I wasn't more amiable/sympathetic in answering your demand that I tell you if this random user on another site was me, in the most bewildering, out-of-nowhere moment I've ever had on this project?

I didn't ask Drmies to block you--I asked her to do me the favour of reinforcing (through whatever means she thought appropriate as an admin) my request that you stop posting these insane comments on my talk page, because I knew that you would not respect my request on its own without my seeking administrative assistance in the matter, (and I was absolutely correct), even though policy requires you to leave another user's talk space if they request it, and I shouldn't have to go to an admin to get you to comply. I don't have time to deal with this completely random, unsettling behaviour. I don't know how to tell you this more plainly: your behaviour is making me uncomfortable. I don't know what kind of level you think you have risen to in my mind because I criticized your conduct in some ANI threads, and we locked horns over your behaviour as a result. But I am telling you now, I have no interest in interacting with you further and certainly your entire existence has never meant enough to me for me to even contemplate opening a thread on some other site to bitch about you. If I had something pressing to say about you, you'd know it. Because I'd be saying it directly to you, on this site, in an appropriate forum. But I have no such things to say to you, and I won't.

If you had any kind of sense of how inappropriate and bizarre your conduct is here, you'd apologize for making such comments without any kind of justification. But we both know that is never going to happen, and I don't have any interest in trying to get such an apology from you. I do have an interest in seeing you respect my desire to not have you continue these comments on my talk page, where they cause in me a feeling somewhere between anger and uneasiness. Please do not return there. Snow ^{let's rap} 11:08, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Drmies [...] as the mop who [blocked] Hijiri88 the last time he [posted on] my talk page (before anyone even need to ask--that's efficiency), can I ask you to monitor this new situation? [...] I know it's a big ask, and I'm not asking you to do anything you wouldn't do if you have just stumbled on the situation yourself (as you did last time) "Essentially asking for me to be blocked" is a pretty accurate description.

Anyway, if you could avoid questioning my sanity like the above (posting these insane comments, deal with this completely random, unsettling behaviour) I would appreciate it.

Your accusation that I asked you if you were the one who was badmouthing me off-wiki "without one shred of evidence" is completely false. It was obviously someone who was involved in that ANI thread in January (you were more involved than pretty much anyone else), "against" me in that thread (you were one of about three users who could be described this way), who believes I collect IBANs. This last part was especially incriminating since you are the only one who has ever said this about me on-wiki; no one else has drawn this conclusion, because it is laughably wrong -- Drmies knows all to well that I only request IBANs when I think they are necessary and usually request that they be dismantled once that is no longer the case.

But I am telling you now, I have no interest in interacting with you further and certainly your entire existence has never meant enough to me for me to even contemplate opening a thread on some other site to bitch about you. Then leave me the heck alone and stop bringing up random ancient history every time you see me say something you disagree with on a noticeboard. And especially stop trying to game my IBANs by treating them as though they were put in place because I was causing disruption; you know perfectly well that they were put in place to protect me from hounding

I'm not even going to address the rest of the above ridiculous string of attacks.

Drmies, I could not be more sorry this has happened on your talk page. If you want to blank it and tell both of us to shut the hell up and go doing something else ... well, I was going to say I would understand, but actually at this point I would appreciate it myself.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:37, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Hijiri88, we have a special department that looks into allegations of off-wiki harassment: ArbCom. Via email please. Drmies (talk) 13:26, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Well, we also have WP:AGF. I know I've developed something of a reputation for taking AGF to somewhat self-destructive levels, but I really thought that if I asked SR if it was him who posted it, I would get a simple "yes" or "no". Yes, in this case I had every reason to assume that what I would actually get would be "No, and you are a terrible person and I will continue attempting to trick you into getting yourself blocked until someone stops me" (regardless of what an honest answer might have been). Anyway, all the evidence I have been able to gather is on SR's talk page, most of it in my first message to him earlier today. If you think it was out of line for me to post it on-wiki, then you can rev-del it and I won't complain (as I've already said multiple times, I want this to be over, or at least to be quieter than it wound up being). I'll send an email with the same information in a bit.

Although for the record: I have a certain amount of experience with off-wiki harassment, and I don't think anyone ever told me ArbCom was the place to go back when that 2013-2014 JoshuSasori stuff was going down. I didn't want to discuss it on-wiki for other reasons, but I don't recall anyone saying I should email ArbCom specifically.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 14:06, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

For the millionth and last time, Hijiri, no one is trying to "trick you into talking about your IBAN to get you sitebanned". I mentioned your IBANs in a thread six months ago, and you haven't stopped with this paranoid fantasy that I am trying to "trick/game" you into getting yourself banned since. You've made this (extremely bad faith) accusation repeatedly and it makes no more sense now than the first time you said it. Why, why on earth would I try to do such a thing to some random editor with whom I had no previous conflicts!? What could I possibly get out of that? The actual reason I mentioned your IBANs in that discussion was in the context of you abusively berating another editor at ANI. I referenced your IBANS to try to emphasize that you have a long history of needlessly personalizing content disputes, and that this was maybe not a winning strategy, for you or the project. I also mentioned said IBANS only in the abstract; no one tried to "lead" you into talking about anyone you were banned from discussing. Not once, and I guarantee you can't provide a single diff that any reasonable editor would interpret in such a way.

At the time you first made this accusation, I thought it was just a cynical ploy to shift attention away from your own behaviour, but I've come to think you really do believe this tinfoil-hat conspiracy nonsense that I am out to get you for...reasons? Now you show up on my talk page, dragging the drama that you've created with others and accusing me of being behind it, and you think the problem here is that you are handicapped by being too AGF? Wow. Just, wow. I am fed up with these accusations of yours, made on no more basis than your own paranoid delusions/fantasies of persecution. Stop making baseless accusations you cannot back up. This is clearly into WP:HARASSMENT territory at this juncture and my patience is done with it. Snow ^{let's rap} 16:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Snow Rise, I suggest you ignore these accusations. Tell Hijiri88 not to post on your talk page again. Hijiri, ArbCom can deal with private information, and we'll see if any of them are interested in picking this up. In the meantime, I must urge you to stop discussing this matter on-wiki and make no further comments. Y'all please stop talking about each other. Thank you both, Drmies (talk) 17:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

That's just the thing. I did try to be done with this by simply asking him in unambiguous terms to stop posting on my talk page. He not only ignored that request and persisted in badgering me with accusations, he also began pinging another editor to my talk page. The only reason I troubled you to seek administrative assistance here is because I knew he wouldn't stop until I did. I'm far from pleased to have had to do so, believe me... Snow ^{let's rap} 17:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

...Not that I don't appreciate your intercession, however it is phrased. Please have a good day, amica. Snow ^{let's rap} 17:56, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Snow Rise, I'm trying to be fair and balanced here without the benefit of having looked at either of y'all's talk pages or comments. If you have asked this, and Hijiri has not complied, well, he knows what to do. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 18:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Err, so...a little birdy just informed me that you are actually a man, Drmies. I'm not sure when or how exactly I got the impression you were a woman, but I do know I've been labouring under that misconception for....oh, years now? File:Blush.png I hope I haven't ever caused offense with any mis-spoken pronouns or such over that time. This is why I should never stray from my standard "they".. Snow ^{let's rap} 18:55, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

You have odd conversations, Snow Rise. I suppose I'm a man, yes, but I take no offense at any gender confusion whatsoever. I don't even know what "man" means anymore, and after last night's class on Twelfth Night that's even more in question. I am a father, I know that for sure--does that help? :) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 19:12, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Heh, good to have the Bard to remind us that gender-bending is nothing new, however complex the identities or nomenclature become. Anyway, I'm glad to know that I didn't cause any offense. But I'll have you know that the odd conversations go looking for me, not the other way around. ;) Snow ^{let's rap} 20:51, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

On Drmies' gender, as I remarked on a discussion some time back : "I care about what's in a Wikipedian's head, not what's in their pants". I am worried that Paul Nuttall appears to have started to look like him, but hopefully if the good Doctor can refrain from wearing tweed, we may be able to ride that one out. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:37, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh come on--that guy is not doing a very good job looking like me. I think he's trying out for Jimbo Wales, especially with the tweed. At least I don't look like Geert Wilders... Drmies (talk) 14:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Some scotch

Thank you, Drmies. 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:07, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

• Hmm yummie. I've quite forgotten the taste of good whisk(e)y. Drmies (talk) 02:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured enough with the ale already. Cheers! 2601:188:1:AEA0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 02:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Page protection of Cambodia national football team

I'm hoping I could get you to reverse your decision concerning the protection of this article. I probably should have presented my evidence with the request, so let me present it here instead. For simplicity's sake, I will limit myself to only the 58 edits made to the article this month, although the problem goes back much further. First there's the 124.248.16X.XX range, which by itself accounts for a majority of the edits this month. At 2017 Cambodian League, Ponyo reverted a number of edits from this IP range as part of a "sock-fest" (see diff.) Additionally, after confirmed sock Phan sophen failed to bypass the semi-protection of that article by copying it to Cambodian League 2017, an IP in this range attempted to do the same by copying the article to the talk page (see diff.) Next 36.37.173.16 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (3 edits) is currently blocked for evasion, and the 175.100.59.XX (3 edits) was ranged blocked for the same this January (see block log.) These three together account for three quarters of all edits this month, which should be more than enough to protect the page. Additionally, I suspect that the 103.197.105.XX and 42.115.XX.XX ranges are also being used by the same person, but I have no concrete evidence of that beyond excursively editing the same articles. Thanks in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

• OK--let edit summaries show that, then--poor schmucks like me can't keep up without them. Ponyo will tell you that I picked up an Uber job to make ends meet, and so I can't always read the latest sock reports. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:02, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

It's true, and your music choices put you a cut above the rest of the drivers. I also appreciate the Airbnb rental of your spare room; I'll leave this week's payment in the well-stocked beer fridge.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 16:28, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Thank you. Today's favorite is Rose Royce II: In Full Bloom. Drmies (talk) 18:22, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Is DK hounding me?

Drmies, could you take a look at this? I really think a six-month TBAN may not have resolved the issues with that user... Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 21:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Note that I'm aware he has been on-and-off contributing to ANI discussions of late, so I don't think the fact that he posted in a thread I started is itself hounding. My concern is that he seems to be opposed to the (thusfar universally agreed upon) compromise proposal -- and just about every other reasonable solution -- just because he doesn't like me, even explicitly saying so (Based solely [emphasis added] on my past experiences with this user). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 21:29, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Exactly. I have been commenting on-and-off on ANI threads. And I simply made a genuine concern that you may not be fit for mentorship based on your past behaviour in certain discussions. I also said that I agreed with a lot of what you were saying. These types of assumptions of bad faith are not acceptable. DarkKnight2149 22:06, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies (I have no interest in responding to DK anymore, since it's clear he has learned nothing): I suspect DK might have violated his TBAN by explicitly referring to his past interactions with me, both of which were centered around comics (at Talk:Mr. Freeze and Talk:Vulture (Marvel Comics)). It's difficult to think what else he could be referring to. I was initially so weirded out by the hounding that this thought didn't occur to me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 22:10, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

I was referring to the previous interactions at ANI. This behaviour from you is clear retaliation because you disliked what I said at the most recent ANI discussion. DarkKnight2149 22:16, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

• Drmies, just block them both for a month. That worked surprisingly well in a similar situation a while ago (I won't name names, because all involved seem to be much better behaved now). People whose only purpose here is to argue seem to think that their motivations aren't transparent. But they are. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:17, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I wasn't deliberately looking for a fight. I made a genuine comment, and Hijiri is now retaliating. I also have articles to expand and edit (such as a Halloween draft). DarkKnight2149 22:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
    • Now, I'm apparently "trolling". I told him not to mention or ping me again. It's clear that going anywhere near this user was a mistake. DarkKnight2149 22:27, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
    • "I made a genuine comment"—he genuinely made a comment attacking Hijiri for his participation in the ANI thread that led to Darkknight2149's TBAN. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Nope. What I said was perfectly civil and valid. DarkKnight2149 00:16, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Drmies, I'm sorry for bringing this whole mess to your talk page. If you still want to look into it, you can, but consider my request that you do so withdrawn. I believe I have found a solution that will get the ANI thread in question closed immediately, since all the involved users are now in essential agreement as to what the solution is. Getting involved with DK again is simply not worth the effort on my part. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:11, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
• Floquenbeam, I don't think I have ever thought that you were wrong. But I can't do what you propose, though I would love to--I am just not man enough to do it. However, I will say this: Darkknight2149, that comment, the drive-by comment on Hijiri's capacities, that was out of line. I don't know about "genuine": it may have been "genuinely" something, but that's not the kind of something we should have in a collaborative environment. Kindly leave Hijiri alone or I will have no qualms about blocking you for hounding. Hijiri, I don't know how you attract problems--it must be magnetism. What if you were to ban yourself from ANI? Should I even look at the ANI discussion? Drmies (talk) 00:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

What if you were to ban yourself from ANI? Nothing would please me more. You'll notice my sig appears a lot less in archived ANI threads I'm not involved in following my getting burned out on a certain incident in December. I opened the current thread because I noticed a lot of users having the same problem on RSN and NPOVN with a particular user who, at the time, I had pretty good reason to believe was socking, and really didn't look HERE. I no longer believe the former (based on some clearly newbie mistakes he has been making) and the latter ... well, I figured mentoring would be a good way to find out whether I was right or wrong in that belief. Once the current mess is cleared up (which should be easy enough now that everyone agrees what needs to be done) I'll probably go back to my Chinese poetry cave and wait for summer. :-) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:17, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Drmies, also kindly, why is it that you side with them every single time? There's a reason that you are now the admin that they run to, every time there's a disagreement. What I said was out of line. Okay. But how? I expressed authentic concern of his potential mentorship role based on past disruptive behaviour. You're talking like I was gunning for this user, Al Capone-style. DarkKnight2149 21:11, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

One thing I think we can both agree with, Drmies, is that it was a mistake for me to comment near this user at all. Because as soon as I did, this conflict happened. DarkKnight2149 21:15, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

What "near"? You commented about Hijiri, attacking him for having taken part in the discussion that resulted in your TBAN. There's no light under which that could appear an "authentic concern". Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:46, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Curly Turkey, you're not helping ([1]). And I was speaking to Drmies. DarkKnight2149 21:54, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

This is a great example of what got you TBANned, as well as whipping WP:FACTION out of the blue. Nobody cares who you were addressing—your behaviour affects us all. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:08, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

• DarkKnight, being endlessly obsessed with having the last word, wikilawyering, hiding other people's replies to your comments, and ridiculously accusing Drmies of "sid[ing] with [Hijiri] every single time" when he has done no such thing (quite the reverse) is very bad form, and is very reminiscent of the behavior that got you your current level of sanctions. Stop now while you're ahead (a warning that was given to you repeatedly last time but which you steadfastly refused to heed). Softlavender (talk) 23:17, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
• DarkKnight, I don't know you or your complaints from Adam, but hatting comments on another editor's talk page because you disagree with them is really not on. Please don't do it again.--Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:35, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @Ponyo: The comments were hatted because uninvolved users are coming in and attempting to resurrect old disputes. My comment was to Drmies and only to Drmies. DarkKnight2149 23:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
    • DK, please read WP:TPO, which you violated. If you don't like what is said on Drmies' talkpage, take it off your watchlist and don't read it. Do not refactor or hat other people's comments; it's Drmies's talkpage and if he wants to hat comments he will. Softlavender (talk) 23:44, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
    • "attempting to resurrect old disputes"—holy Christ, DK, do you even read your own comments before you press "save"? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:49, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
• Final message: Drmies, if you have a reply for me, please give it on my Talk Page. I'm not going to pay anymore attention to this page (as it is already beginning to turn into another disaster). DarkKnight2149
  • Sorry User:Darkknight2149, I'm a simple man and I like to keep things together. Hijiri can tell you, if you ask them nicely, that I really do not agree with them all the time. Curly Turkey, I think we have a very on-and-off relationship; I came this close to blocking them, and they came this close to totally hating me forever. But I respect Turkey's editing skills, and I'm far from holy myself, so who am I to cast stones, dispersions, and asparagus. To cut a long story short, I don't know why they come to me; it's hardly because I have a history of deciding things in their favor. I'll say one last thing about that comment about that mentorship thing--it was completely uncalled for, it came out of the blue, it was poorly phrased, it evidenced not that Hijiri shouldn't be someone's mentor but rather that you had some old beef with him that you were anxious to share.

    As for this here talk page--it's a beautiful place, and stuff gets hatted or removed only if that's OK with me or one of my representatives/betters (like Ponyo, a kind soul and a merciless enforcer of the Letter and the Spirit of The Law). So yeah, please don't be hatting stuff, and don't think that this is ever a private place--the last time I accidentally tooted here more than a hundred folks tore up my Twitter feed. Today there were 600 page views. Crazy, I know--I have no idea what's so fun here, but there you go: there are no private conversations, and I trust the good people who come by (and the assholes too! :) ) to answer questions here with the best interests of our beautiful project in mind. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 02:44, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't know why they come to me The reason I came to you, Drmies, was because you closed the original ANI thread. That's all. There are other admins far more likely, historically, to agree with me. If anything, I think you are one of the admins more amenable to DK -- I imagine a lot of other admins would have been a lot harsher if they had been the ones to close that ANI thread last month. As for they come (plural? my gender is the same as the majority of Wikipedians and is specified on my user page) I checked briefly and it doesn't look like CT has posted here in the last year except in relation to your close of that one ANI thread (and the related discussion of fictional character MOS) and one brief technical note in early January about IP-visibility and deletion. I at least have come to you with random unrelated crap that I figured you'd be the right person to deal with. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:40, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

That's because I have Drmies' balls in my purse and get him to revdel everything that would incriminate me. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:55, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Ah, so that's where they went--at the bottom, between the lint and the gum wrappers. So it goes. Drmies (talk) 15:22, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

• 600 page views? Wow. I'm just here with some popcorn! Garchy (talk) 15:52, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

• Drmies: Oh okay. On that front, I apologise to you and @Hijiri88 for wording the comment poorly. Given the hounding accusation, I'll probably just distance myself from him for the time being. As for the hatting, what you say on your Talk Page goes. Hopefully I didn't come across as WP:DICK-ish to Ponyo. I won't hat here again. Thank you for giving a sensible response (I was honestly expecting more blame).

"[T]he last time I accidentally tooted here more than a hundred folks tore up my Twitter feed" - Now I feel like a dick for laughing at that. Cheers. DarkKnight2149 20:56, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

AE

I'm not sure where you are getting your comment from. I posted right away the violation. I only started to vent after you and the other admins were focusing on whether or not the article belonged in the Wiki article, not on the violation. It was clear as day that it was a violation. You can't reinsert something that was removed without a consensus. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:26, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• You are misreading: "editors are required to obtain consensus through discussion before restoring a reverted edit". You didn't explain that your edit was a revert. Drmies (talk) 01:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• I did, my first edit says, "I remove an entry...." the next was his reinserting, that's the DS violation which I was wondering why you were focusing on the content and not the action. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:35, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• No, "you removed part of the information Nishidani added" would have been the right way to phrase it. I just hope everyone else realizes it. What you are portraying here is 0R. Nishidani edits, you revert (partially, but that's beside the point), Nishidani reverts you: that is a violation. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• My AE complaint had nothing to do with 1RR or 0RR, it was DS that consensus is required. I removed something and he reinserted it, that was the violation. It had nothing to do with 0 or 1 RR. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:40, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Huh? "Editors are required to obtain consensus through discussion before restoring a reverted edit". That only makes sense if there is a reverted edit. Consensus is, basically, always required. Note that Coffee closed it as a 1R violation. "I removed something and he reinserted it" is not a violation of anything; it is a revert. Drmies (talk) 01:46, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• If I remove something and someone else puts it back without consensus, that is a DS violation. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 01:48, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• No. Now stop saying that. Drmies (talk) 01:50, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I hate to correct you. But, see here. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 01:56, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• It says "editors are required to obtain consensus through discussion before restoring a reverted edit." It doesn't say "no one can restore information that was ever, at some point, removed from the article for whatever reason". BTW, you closed it saying "1R violation", but in the case that Sir Joseph presented, there was only one R, so it could only have been a 0R violation. Drmies (talk) 02:01, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• We're not talking about something that was years apart. I removed something that was just put in and then Nishidani reinserted it, right away. There's no "ever, at some point." I'm not sure why you're picking nits here, this is the DS sanction that ARBCOM put into these articles. (and for the record, I was once blocked for reinserting something that was taken out a while back, but there was still a discussion. ) Sir Joseph ^(talk) 02:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• I think I have copied the particular measure here two or three times already. Shall I do it again? "Editors are required to obtain consensus through discussion before restoring a reverted edit". It doesn't say "...before restoring a disputed edit", and it certainly doesn't say what you said it says, or what you want it to say. But feel free to take it up with ArbCom and ask them to sharpen up their phrasing. Here, you are just repeating yourself, as am I. Drmies (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• No, I closed it as a 1RR remedy/restriction violation (also note the block message). As in, what is spelled out at WP:ARBPIA#Motion: ARBPIA (December 2016) as the 1RR restriction for ARBPIA articles. WP:REVERT states: "Reverting means undoing or otherwise negating the effects of one or more edits, which results in the page (or a part of it) being restored to a previous version. Partial reversion involves restoring one part of the page to a previous version, but leaving other contributions intact." (emphasis added) WP:3RR also states: A "revert" means any edit (or administrative action) that reverses the actions of other editors, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material. (emphasis added) The violation was due to the user restoring a reverted edit, which is a violation according to the motion you all created (I didn't look to see if you voted on that one or not). — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 02:10, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Yes, "the violation was due to the user restoring a reverted edit". That is what I have been saying the entire time. Nishidani makes an edit. Sir Joseph reverts (partly). Nishidani restores the reverted edit by reinserting what Sir Joseph took out. Drmies (talk) 02:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

Several comments. Zerothly, the block is defensible, but not ideal. Firstly, the comment by Coffee that they have no choice in the matter is incorrect, both in theory and practice. Firstly, the sanctions are discretionary, nobody has to do anything. Secondly, it is very easy to break 1RR in this area even by accident. I have done it many times, and people always give others a chance to revert before trying to seek sanctions. Thirdly, this prohibition is actually a clause added during the last ArbCom case and is even easier to break - indeed I broke it myself right now by accident, though I self-reverted when I realized it. Fourthly, this kind of bureaucratic enforcement is ignoring the actual basis of the problem: Sir Joseph themselves said on Nishidani's page a month ago Firstly, I did mention on the talk page that Bolter violated DS. And I didn't report you [Nishidani] because I don't like reporting people for stupid stuff like that, and as you saw in my sandbox, the DS violaotion wasn't the main reason I was going to report you. Why did Sir Joseph change their mind on this matter and decide to report Nishidani for this "stupid stuff"? In this particular case, Sir Joseph didn't even give Nishidani a chance to self-revert, but reported them within a few minutes.

There was no major disruption here, just a run-of-the-mill content dispute which happens countless times all over Wikipedia. If Sir Joseph actually reported Nishidani due to a deeper issue, as seems apparent, then you address the problem and evaluate whether it is worth addressing. Don't act like naive bureaucrats. You admins are given discretionary powers precisely for this reason. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 06:06, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Kingsindian, why are you telling me this? I mean, me? Drmies (talk) 12:04, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

To clarify, I was talking in general about the AE complaint, not directly addressing you. I just found that there was a discussion about this matter here, and gave my thoughts on the matter. It's not a formal appeal or anything. Kingsindian ♝ ♚ 12:37, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Oh, I think you have a point, but you're kind of preaching to the choir. Said Sir Joseph has their own talk page, as does the blocking admin. :) Drmies (talk) 17:34, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

if it's someone's first violation then I will usually give a warning first. This wasn't his first warning and he ignored all prior warnings and usually flaunts it in the edit summary.Sir Joseph ^(talk) 13:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

XXXTENACION EDITS

I don't think the style section needs to be completely erased, but we just need more sources to support it. Hearing his music, it was pretty accurate. Michaelmaxwell (talk) 02:09, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• I am sure it is, but that is original research. See WP:RS. There were no reliable sources. Without reliable sources, it should be erased completely if it's not neutral, for instance, and this wasn't. Also, this is the biography of a living person. See WP:BLP, which requires us to be extra careful. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 02:11, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
• You welcome. So far, I have not found any material about his musical style. Just his imprisonment and the whole "Look At Me" controversy. Until further notice, we can do without that section Michaelmaxwell (talk) 02:36, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

What to do?

What can I do about an editor who keeps repeating an inaccurate historical "fact" -- that Hitler was "elected" or "voted in", as opposed to being appointed Chancellor by von Hindenburg because von Papen assured him that Hitler could be controlled by the non-Nazis in the cabinet -- and uses this as a basis for his commentary on talk pages about editing changes under discussion? As far as I know, he's never done so in an article, but I haven't really checked. It's also possible that he's repeating the error ad nauseum because he knows I find it annoying, but it's disconcerting to find an editor of an encyclopedia apparently believing in a misstatement of fact. I'm really at a loss as to what to do, and if you have a moment between your official duties, I'd appreciate your opinion. Thanks, Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:06, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• I don't know. That's tough. You could figure out how "Hillary" says "WRONG" in that Hillary Shimmy song. It probably points at an agenda of some sort, and agendas have a tendency to come out in article space as well. Drmies (talk) 17:36, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Might be an agenda, sure -- the editor commented that he was born "just down the road" from where Hitler was imprisoned, but that he never had any interest in the man -- but I suspect ignorance or a long-standing prejudice born of being exposed to misinformation. I guess I'll just play it by ear and try not to the take the bait, if that's what's going on. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:06, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• He obviously couldn't have been voted in or elected....to become Chancellor, you needed the formal appointment by the President. And living in Landsberg...well, that's Bavaria. Lectonar (talk) 18:15, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Very good point which I hadn't focused on, that the Chancellor was never elected in Weimer Germany, but was either agreed to by the Reichstag and then appointed by the President, or, if the Reichstag couldn't agree, was directly appointed by the President. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:51, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• If this was some alt-right dude, one shouldn't be surprised at the inaccuracy or the factual impossibility. Drmies (talk) 20:32, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• The point people are usually trying to make about this, though mangling it, is that Hitler came to power through constitutional means, not by some kind of coup or revolution (though with a certain amount of stage-management). EEng 23:48, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

• Yes, that's true, and I've made that point to the editor in question, that Hitler became Chancellor legally and constitutionally, but be wasn't elected. (Incidentally, your piping "a certain amount of stage management" to the Reichstag fire isn't really that appropriate, as the fire took place after Hitler became Chancellor. It did, of course, provide the excuse for his receiving from the Rechistag and Hinderburg sweeping powers that led to his becoming the dictator of Germany, but had nothing to do with his becoming Chancellor. That was indeed "stage managed" by von Papen and company - I referred to it as "some pretty sleazy backroom dealing".) Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:57, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, sure, right, "full" power came in a series of stages with various stagemanagement along the way. EEng 23:59, 14 March 2017 (UTC)

I find it very interesting that modern historians (collectively) seem to feel that the fire wasn't set by the Nazis, but was solely the work of the Dutch communist. I find that really hard to believe, given its convenience to them, but that's what had apparently been concluded from the evidence. If so, I can only assume that the Nazis were waiting for anything which would provide the impetus for a "legal coup", and if something didn't happen soon enough to suit them, they would have created an appropriate incident. Then the fire happened, and Goring -- who was the first high-level Nazi on the scene -- knew exactly what to do to make use of it. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Just like Trump's waiting for the next mass shooting, which he will blame on Muslims instead of gun nuts. EEng 00:34, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

Very much so. Historically, countries have often waited for the causus belli to start the war they want to start anyway, and if they don't get it, they often create it (as Hitler did with Poland, attacking a German radio station with SS men dressed in Polish uniforms, and leaving already dead men, also in Polish uniform, outside as further evidence that Poland had "invaded" Germany). That's bad enough, but when it happens internally, it's worse. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:16, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

"Herr President Göring, the Reichstag is on fire!" Göring (checks watch): "Oh, already?" Drmies (talk) 03:39, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

LOL Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:53, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

The cake is a lie

• "The cake is a lie". <videte sciurus!> This article->Renato Guttuso has plenty of "fine writing"- a description of one of his paintings is identical to text on an Italian government educational website. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:42, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

• You might want to point this out to User:Moonriddengirl, our resident expert on copyright violations. Beyond My Ken (talk) 09:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
• Which lines? Which source? I ran some online plagiarism tool but I think you all know what it found. US govt websites have free content--are the Italian ones different? Drmies (talk) 15:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

• "His most famous "palermitano" painting is the "Vucciria" (the name of Palermo's market), in which, with raw and bloody realism, he expressed one of the many spirits of the Sicilian city." from the site www.programmallp.it. The page itself is a doc. I'll have a go at rewriting the article later on. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 16:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Liza Ferschtman

On 18 March 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Liza Ferschtman, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Liza Ferschtman used seven different violins for her "tour de force" performance of the Rosary Sonatas? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Liza Ferschtman. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Liza Ferschtman), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

It's yours. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• No no Gerda, not at all. Are you still unhappy with the hook? Drmies (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

I said it all in the discussion, no? It's purely personal, nothing Fram would understand, I guess. Did you know that my DYK #500 was St John Passion structure, carefully planned? This would have been the one to advance me to the lead group of the "number of DYK" list, - I didn't want that to be one where I hadn't contributed hook and content, so took the nomination credit. I took the step in the next set, with an uneventful article I created only to fill a red link (with "Always blame ..." in the title), while a lot of heart went into the other and the angelic piece I heard her play (that article not by me). If I had known how things would go I would have mentioned it with the conductor. I preach let go a lot more than I manage ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

That's interesting grammar--but isn't it "everything is to be blamed on hats? "An allem"--dative, so "Hutchen" is the subject, no? BTW respect--500 is a great number. I plan to be there by 2068. Drmies (talk) 16:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

500 was in 2014 ;) - I like your outlook! - Difficult to translate that title, my sloppy version refers to "always blame me" which works fine when people leave or other misery like me mentioning "random music" just because I am passionate about it. - "An allem ist Hütchen schuld!" - someone changed to "Hattie is to blame for everything!" which I paraphased. - Will add the violinist to my memories, with the music I remember, - so far the only time I cheat that way ;) - the others are "real" DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Off to the next: What does this say, besides the header? Anything worth knowing about the conductor? ... who trains them, even if they normally perform with "bigger name" conductors. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

ps to above: looked at Breitkopf for other reasons, met the Violin Concerto again ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

My 'condition'

Re this jibe on my talk page. You are not a doctor, and you have no right to judge the "conditions" editors self-disclose. I mentioned mine on the page in response to another editor's comment, purely to indicate how utterly irrelevant they are and should be. You have no right to seize upon that to make a cheap insult. Shame on you. Coretheapple (talk) 18:53, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• Aren't you special. You insult someone and remove the warning for a personal attack I left you, and then you come and whine here. That's pretty low. I have no right to judge anyone's condition (and I had no idea what you said about your own, so I didn't "seize" on anything), but I have a right, as an admin, to judge what you say about others. Drmies (talk) 21:18, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Aren't you abusive. Stay off my talk page. Full stop. Coretheapple (talk) 21:23, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
    • Yes sir or ma'am. Until you make a personal attack like that again, but I promise I will use templated block notices only. Drmies (talk) 21:26, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
      • And I promise you that if you are abusive again (as in His condition, it seems to me, is much more excusable than yours.) I will seek to have you desysopped. I may do it anyway, useless as such things tend to be. Coretheapple (talk) 21:34, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
        • Go for it. See how much better it is to not have your comments summarily reverted? That is a courtesy I pay you, one which I owe you as a fellow contributor to our beautiful project. And I say again: unlike Winkelvi, who can't do all that much about his self-disclosed condition, you can indeed do something about that awful attitude you displayed--"he was constantly 'playing the Asperger's card,' citing that alleged condition as an excuse for his actions. Yes, it is a claim, no it is not verifiable, yes, it is irrelevant, and yes, it is one of the many ways he gamed the system". Drmies (talk) 21:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
          • Yes, I know that you think you hold all the cards in such a situation, and maybe you do, but personal abuse is something I will not abide when it is a comment quite as low as you made. You were reverted because you were abusive. What you quote is absolutely not a personal attack. It was an observation on a technique that editor employs, and as a matter of fact you may note that another editor, who claims expertise in this matter, deployed the same phrase shortly thereafter. But let's say it was a personal attack. OK, I sometimes get too off the handle sometimes. You could have conveyed your comment without sinking so low as to comment on a "condition" that you perceive me to have, whether or not you saw my offhand comment which I had made. I think you know that perfectly well that you were abusive, that you sunk low, but since apparently you feel that you have some kind of "immunity" you don't even have the grace to admit it. That's pretty disgraceful
          • As for that editor, how do you know that the editor in question "can't do all that much" about his claimed condition. Again I ask: are you a doctor? Have you investigated the situation by examining him in person? What right do you have to "play doctor"? Coretheapple (talk) 21:55, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
            • I was talking about your "condition" of...how shall I call it...making really, really low and nasty comments about other people. That's as nicely as I can put it. I don't know you from Adam, I have considerably less interest in you as a person than you seem to have in me, but that comment was an asshole comment, and now I think I said enough. "I think you know perfectly well that you were abusive"--I'll subscribe that asshole comment to the same condition, and I'll remember that phrase as an example of "gaslighting", a word I recently learned but don't know yet how to use. Now...how shall I say this...oh that was hard to delete. Drmies (talk) 22:01, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
              • Doubling down, much? Since you don't know me from Adam, which is true, or I you, where do you come off saying that I have a "condition" consisting of "making really low and nasty comments." Based on one comment on in an ANI thread? When have I ever run into you before? Re "asshole" Do you just enjoy being abusive? While you're pondering that, perhaps you can also address the other question I asked you: how do you know that editor can't do much about his claimed condition?Coretheapple (talk) 22:07, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
                • Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass LadyofShalott 22:41, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Ass Hunter for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ass Hunter until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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• I had totally forgotten about that and had to look it up. LadyofShalott, and Yngvadottir, do you also look back at 2014 thinking things were going to get better? And here we are, three years later, in a world with even more mass killings of LGBT people, antisemitism, Islamophobia... Drmies (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. :( LadyofShalott 21:42, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

AfD Kerrowmoar

I am presently compiling a statement to be added to your message(s) at my talk page.

In the meantime, your AfD statement: "The sourcing doesn't bear it out--these are sources that name everything on the circuit (cause they're basically maps and histories of the race), and the one newspaper article is local and apparently verifies only that once upon a time the road was widened." (italics by Rocknrollmancer) is opportune.

Agljones has been vehemently Wikilawyering Wikipedia itself in many aspects, for example shouting WP:N and WP:V to spuriously assert that dedicated sources are not, in fact, neutral-enough to be reliable and/or comply with significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject (italics by Rocknrollmancer). Only local general interest newspapers, etc., are neutral-enough, not dedicated sources as these are not independent of the subject. Local sources are accurate, being published in real time, whereas multiple secondary sources are historically plagiarised from each other and become corrupted with re-use(s). Using this bogus rationale, he then deletes (my) existing prose sourced from industry-experts, replacing with his own prose and obscure local uncheckable alleged-sources which may be passing-mentions only, to establish false-Notability, when it is only a non-notable corner. This is how he edit-wars, and I really don't know how to address it, other than a topic block.

I hope this helps. There is much, much more. I put it here as, after nearly three years, I understand his psyche but dont want to dignify it where he is more-likely to see it at my talk page - (note 'he', not s/he or they ).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 21:37, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

• Rocknrollmancer, we'll see how this AfD goes. Please don't speculate too much on other people's psyches; apparently I do too much of that myself already. In the meantime: please do not demand again that your opponent disclose their employer or something like that. They didn't want to do that, and I assume that means they a. have no professional conflict of interest and b. they didn't want to dignify your demands with an answer--that is their good right. OK? Drmies (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Please assume good faith in my assurance that I have had more than adequate evidence for nearly two years, both on and off-wiki. Accordingly I am ready to go to arbcom once I am advised of the physical layout needed (I rough-drafted the email approach in December). Please wait until you see the bulleted summary I have nearly finished (nothing crucial will be disclosed there).--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 03:31, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
    • This isn't a question of good faith; it's just that what you asked that editor was not appropriate. As for ArbCom, please state it briefly and with some diffs--they don't like things that are too long and they can't read difficult sentences. Make sure you include diffs. Drmies (talk) 04:33, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

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• Done. Some years back BBC Radio 3 broadcast a live performance of contemporary music. The score was somewhat demanding on the instruments, so one player performed on an old and knackered cello. He was so disgusted by the score that at the end after the audience began politely clapping he laid the cello on the floor and jumped on it, to riotous acclamation. When Radio 3 repeated the broadcast that bit was cut out. Can't find any reference to it otherwise it could go in Instrument destruction. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 11:27, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

• That's wonderful, and thanks for taking care of business--I was distracted elsewhere, which is what happens to cunts like me. Anyway, that in turn reminds me of what I read about Keith Jarrett's Koln Concert, with the apparently untunable piano, so poor an instrument he had to adjust his performance to it. Oh, and that reminds me of something fascinating I read today on the Facebooks--scroll down Chemirocha and you'll see. (Fun fact: on the mobile Wikipedia that's automatically a redirect; on my laptop, I had to make it.) Drmies (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

-to what like you?!?!

tunnocks Well, I was reading Kipsigis people and I notice that they like words beginning with "k"- kinda reminds me of a kabal of kunts on another kontinent. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 08:24, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

This talk page is beginning to give mine a run for its money. EEng 08:36, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

It still can't be seen from space. Oh, I got the vaginal steaming article in! Drmies (talk) 00:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean "got the article in"? EEng 01:12, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Email me and I'll send it to you. I'd work on it myself, but I'm editing a 63-page article about Boniface in Bavaria, which is a lot less fun than it sounds. Drmies (talk) 01:19, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Don't get me started on musician jokes. (OK, What's the difference between an accordion and a trampoline?) Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 13:33, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

I give up. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

OK, that is NOT a fun joke, and my tante Renee would be very hurt by your punchline! Drmies (talk) 01:00, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Alrighty then, a selection at my own expense. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 03:53, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

• The contagion is spreading. EEng 01:12, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

XPanettaa's talk page access

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:XPanettaa

He is making absolutely no attempt to make an unblock request, and is instead pinging anyone he can argue with endlessly. Everyone who has tried to explain to him what he needs to do has told him to stop pinging them. At this point, he's using his talk page to harass users. Letting you know since you were the one to restore it. --Tarage (talk) 21:43, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

• No good deed goes unpunished, Tarage. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Random aside, how in the world did you manage to get the formatting to screw up that badly? I went to read your reply and it was jammed up against his next post. I went in thinking maybe it was some crazy character and deleted the white space and put it back, and it still jammed your two comments together. Whatever voodoo magic you did, I have no idea how it works. --Tarage (talk) 06:41, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holi (belated)

Hi, Dr. M. It was nice to see a "per Mandarax". I personally have rarely skipped directly to a level 4 warning; I believe I've only done it in response to hate speech. But the general principle of issuing an appropriate level of warning without having to blindly start at 1 is good.

Incidentally, I happened to be at a Hindu temple during Holi. The colors weren't flying while I was there, but there was plenty of evidence on the ground. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 08:30, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

• I've gotten more ... open-minded. Good to see you, Mandarax. Drmies (talk) 12:46, 21 March 2017 (UTC)

Request

I (probably) don't intend to take part in this discussion, and as you probably know I'm not one to look for offence, but I take exception to this. I would say I'm only doing my job in removing obvious BLP fails from articles; others are free to disagree I suppose. But I would rather not be insulted if possible. Do you agree? --John (talk) 21:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk page stalker: I don't know the specifics of this situation, but that smells like a borderline personal attack to me (of course, I only have that diff to go by). And given that I am known for following and enforcing the citing sources policies rather strictly, the comment about sensationalism has me a little worried. DarkKnight2149 21:59, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk page stalker: Hmmm, I have seen more unpolite and rather pushy remarks of this user. I regard him as "difficult. The Banner talk 20:01, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I ran into them before, being quite uncivil; can't remember the details. It's all the rage. Banner, you and I live in glass houses too. Drmies (talk) 20:45, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry about that

I couldn't remember where we discussed it- at resource request (where it started) or here (where it carried over). I was being a bit cheeky: I had forgotten about this, and being on RX, I noticed it again. — O Fortuna! ^{Imperatrix mundi.} 17:52, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Revdel advice

Greetings, Doctor. I semi-protected this page recently, because certain IP addresses thought it would be amusing to replace the lead image with a diagram of the female reproductive system. I'm wondering, though, whether these revisions require a revdel (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abdrabbuh_Mansur_Hadi&action=history history). My gut feeling is "no" but I'm not certain, and I've been told "better safe than sorry" with BLPs. Thoughts? Vanamonde (talk) 07:47, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

• Vanamonde, I'm flattered you'd ask me for advice--I know you as a terrifically level-head administrator. So don't be surprised that I like to agree with you, ordinarily--but this isn't a low-profile kind of person, and by having such vandalism in the history we may well confirm that we're just a bunch of computer-savvy white boys steeped in orientalism who perpetuate islamophobia. I've grown more inclined to apply revdel generously, and so I'll go and remove them. I'm also going to block that one IP for just a bit longer than the period they've been fucking with this article; the other IP is probably the same person. Thanks--I appreciate your work and the question and yes, I do believe that it's better to be safe than sorry. Drmies (talk) 16:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
• Please check if I got them all; I have a tendency to miss one or two every now and then. Drmies (talk) 16:32, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

• Haha, I appreciate the testimonial. I think experience counts for a lot though, and in this case your reasoning articulates the discomfort I felt. You got all of the reproductive images, but there were a few lovely pictures of a bulldog that I figured I might as well remove. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 05:44, 26 March 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Dutch letter

Maybe you can shine your light here: Talk:Dutch letter#Banket. Soemone who thinks that the article about "banketletters" should be widened to cover all pastry. The Banner talk 20:03, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

A

Because the search box appears to have a casual relationship, at best, with capital letters in redirects. It's not the first time I've noticed the problem, though usually it goes the other way.

The redirect doesn't appear to exist, but the search gets confused and acts like it does. Stupid annoying stuff. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

FYI, I've created it, so it should work now. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:12, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I had made the lowercase one, but once you do that you can't make the uppercase one cause the moment you type it in it redirects. A funny kind of circle--I could only have made it by clicking from inside the article, but I didn't want to do that until I got your opinion: "a casual relationship, at best" is a nice way to put it. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 21:18, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Any time. The search function here contains to frustrate me, and it's been over eleven years since I started editing. Maybe in another decade... --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:20, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

The Foundation will be on it, I'm sure, after they finish booking me a flight and a suite for Montreal, and paid for the childcare. Drmies (talk) 21:28, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

By the time the Foundation pays for my passage to Wikimania, my as-yet-unborn children will be graduated from college and likely married with children.

For the record, I'm not smarter than you are - I just have infinitely less patience with the vagaries of modern technology. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:57, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Singora

You said "I'm baffled that you would say something like this", re: Blofeld.

Try learning about paranoid schizophrenia.

I've commented further here: http://wikipediareview.proboards.com/thread/230/dr-blofeld-feeling-love

Yes, the man is ill, and is probably receiving professional help. But he still needs to learn right from wrong.