Talk:South Ossetia

Date of indepedence

Did South Ossetia declare independence on November 28, 1991, as the main Wikipedia article on the country claims, or on September 20, 1990, as is frequently cited in scholarly articles and in this Wikipedia article Georgian-Ossetian_conflict#Origins_of_the_Conflict? It is also worth noting that September 20 appears to be the day chosen by the South Ossetian state as its independence day.

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Should that Roki tunnel one at the end that says that South Ossetia gets a third of it's income from the Roki tunnel also come off?

Historical maps of the article

There is one logical question about historical maps. What is their purpose here? I am guessing what editors wanted when they added them. Recent edits show that there is some kind of competition, some editors add maps when all Kartli is united and some show when Georgia was disintegrated and many of its parts were under other entities influence. This can be non-stop flow of different historical maps, the main idea and fact is that South Ossetia was created in 1922 and that is all. If we will let to continue these map battles nothing will change. One can always add a map of Kingdom of Iberia when there was no single Ossetian entity even in the whole Caucasus.--g. balaxaZe★ 21:44, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

@Edmundo Vargas: stop accusing other editors of vandalism in your edit summaries and discuss rationale for your cluttering of the article with user-made historical maps. Consider this your last warning.--Kober^Talk 15:39, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

@Kober: the maps are useful in showing the changes in this region. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edmundo Vargas (talk • contribs) 15:43, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

This is not a historical atlas and there is no need to add dozens of maps to illustrate the ever-changing borders in the Caucasus. You can chose a couple of those that best fits the context, but most of these maps are redundant and should go.--Kober^Talk 15:59, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

@Kober: 5 Maps (Not dozens!) The maps show the changes in the Caucasus during the Middle Ages.

The maps show Crucial changes : 1) Khazars 2) Birth of Alania (Free State) 3) Maximum splendor of Alania 4) Kipchaks and fall of Alania 5) Maximum splendor of Georgia Edmundo Vargas

All these "splendor"-showing maps belong to a historical atlas, not to this article. Deal with it! --Kober^Talk 16:54, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

@Kober: This article talks about the history of a region / country. In any article that talks about the history there are maps. Edmundo Vargas

Yes, but not myriads of them. --Kober^Talk 17:48, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

This is the main article about SO and I don't think we need so many medieval maps of Alania that was after all located mostly on the northern side of the Caucasus range. There are other articles which could use these maps, like History of South Ossetia, Alania etc Alæxis_¿question? 20:08, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

I don't think I have seen any other Wikipedia article with this many maps - including the two in the infobox, there are currently 16 of them! Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 16:16, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Update from June 2017

We read:

Eduard Kokoity, the then president of South Ossetia, later stated that South Ossetia would not forgo its independence by joining Russia: "We are not going to say no to our independence, which has been achieved at the expense of many lives; South Ossetia has no plans to join Russia." Civil Georgia has said that this statement contradicts previous ones made by Kokoity earlier that day, when he indicated that South Ossetia would join North Ossetia in the Russian Federation.

Shouldn't this article be updated? MaynardClark (talk) 21:22, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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Name of the state of South Ossetia

People insisting through repeated reverts that the article should give "Tskhinvali region" as an alternate name for the state of South Ossetia should note that this article is about the STATE of South Ossetia but the name "Tskhinvali region" is an unofficial name by Georgian authorities who specifically deny that the state of South Ossetia exists. It is then not logical to claim that "Tskhinvali region" is an alternate name for the state of South Ossetia. Using "Tskhinvali region" as a name for the STATE of South Ossetia implicitly claims that Georgia has recognised South Ossetia as a state under different name which it has not.

If the Georgian state recognises that the state of South Ossetia exists, as a part of Georgia or not, and makes a law that its name is "Tskhinvali region", then the name can appear next to South Ossetia, but no such recognition exists and no such law either. "Tskhinvali region" is a purely unofficial placeholder and not based on any law.

The article covers the meaning and usage of the name "Tskhinvali region" and other name used by the Georgian authorities, as defined on their government www site. Drieakko (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2017 (UTC)