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Welcome to Jamie's talk page! Please add new messages to the bottom of the page. If a conversation is started here, I'll respond here; if it starts on your talk page, I'll respond there. Emailing me I prefer to communicate via talk pages, but if there is an issue that you'd rather not discuss via talk, you may email me. If you email me about a block, it's not helpful to write, "help! I've been blocked!" Please include your username (if you have one) and/or the IP address that's been affected. Why did you remove my external links? If you've come here because you want to know why I removed some external links you've added, please read Wikipedia's policies on spam and Wikipedia external link guidelines first. Because of Wikipedia's popularity, it has become a target for folks looking to promote their sites, which is against Wikipedia policies. If you read WP:SPAM and still feel that your link(s) does not violate those policies, let me know. One common argument I hear is But so-and-so link is on that article, and it's commercial! WP:EL doesn't explicitly forbid links to commercial sites; it depends on the notability of the link, its content, and if it's a reference or a notable pro/con argument on a controversial subject, etc. On the other hand, I think that many Wikipedians would agree that there are way too many commercial links at present time, so feel free to "prune away" if the link doesn't meet guidelines in WP:EL. OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC) Vandalism and insults left here will be recycled in the bit bucket. Remember: be nice! 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I'm under the impression that The Orlando Area Guide is a spam link similar to the one you removed from the External links section of Orlando, Florida. A "team" of anonymous editors disagrees with me, saying this is an official website. Can you review the site in question, and tell me if this is a site with value to Wikipedia's audience? -- SwissCelt 18:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC) How To Avoid You Deleting My Non-Commercial, Useful Content? Jamie, I will see about adding my Java Lectures you deleted to WikiBooks.If I do, will you again delete the link to it from this article? 20 or so lectures were written in powerpoint because I can simulate the execution of code with the animations. That is why I hosted it externally. I will be happy to put those lectures in the public domain. Since you suggested it, can you tell me if Wikibooks can support *.pps content? Ultimately, they are just files that open on a link. Pardon me if I offended you in the email I sent. I was thoroughly offended by your instant deletion of my content. As I have said, my intent was to give away the content. I first attempted to see if I could just donate it to Wikipedia. Since, however, I only saw Wikipedia has the capability to host HTML content, I moved to the public googlepages and hosted it there. Please notice that I am not charging for it and--as of now--the site has no other purpose than to freely offer the content. Please advise what circumstances will cause you to delete the link again. If I put it in Wikibooks, will you delete that link too? Thank you kindly for your assistance in this matter. Regards,Tom Curmudgeon99 (talk · contribs) If you add the content to Wikibooks, I don't see why it's necessary to also have the link here. Wikibook material is just as accessible as Wikipedia. I'm pretty sure that you'd need to export all of your Powerpoint content to plain text in order to add it to Wikibooks. As I said earlier, you're welcome to propose addition of the link on the Java programming talk page; I just started a review discussion of current links in the article. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC) Jamie, First, thank you for your reply. Second, the whole point of those Java Lectures is the dynamic content. If you had perhaps clicked on one of the links--especially the later ones--you would see that the whole point is the dynamic content that illustrates the execution path for the code being explained. If we are limited to just static text than I don't want to essentially rebuild from scratch content that took at least six years to develop. Also--and I may regret alerting you to this--there IS an external link on the Wikibooks entry for 'Java programming'--and it is an external link to a site that has basically the kind of plain static text that you want me to convert my content to. Funny, nobody on the Wikibook site has molested that person's content. However, I have added my link to my external content right below that guy's content. So, if that irks you, you can go delete my content link as well as the other person's link. Instead, I bet the person who administrates that site is not as spam-shocked as you apparently are. I understand you're trying to keep the garbage out but you ought to give content providers more of a benefit of the doubt. I offered my content for an altruistic purpose. Unless you take it upon yourself to mount a crusade against my googlepages content, it will stand and will no doubt help somebody learn to program in Java. Please just leave it be. Thank you, Tom —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Curmudgeon99 (talk • contribs) . External link query Jamie, would you mind emailing me for a discussion on external link guideline interpretation? Thanks. --Irwinstreet 17:39, 2 September 2006 (UTC) Is there a reason you want to communicate via email? I prefer to use talk pages. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:38, 2 September 2006 (UTC) External link follow-up OK, I'll take a stab at it. I work for an online publisher of free information for professionals. We have users who ask us if we can put links to our info in Wikipedia, the way our competition does. They say our stuff is more useful and lacks ads. They also are almost never knowledgeable enough to do this themselves, so they ask us, believing it to be possible given our competitor's links, and our job besides. Is there any way for us to try this, short of training a cadre of users to edit Wikipedia pages? Thanks.70.231.142.138 04:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC) WP:SPAM and WP:EL generally advise against adding links to your own site, ad-free or not. The focus at Wikipedia is clearly on article content, not on external links, so the most of the time editors err on the side of deleting anything that's questionable. It can be a case-by-case judgement for each article; you could try by posting a request to an article's talk page suggesting a link and seeing what others think. Keep in mind that just because an article currently has competitor/commercial links doesn't mean that they are appropriate (in fact, I often end up deleting multiple commercial links while I'm cleaning up after a multi-page spammer). Thanks, OhNoitsJamie Talk 06:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC) I thought this would be a useful link Hello Jamie, I am new to Wikipedia and am not familiar with all of the guidelines. I added a link to the following website (www.sembasics.com), which was subsequently removed. I have looked over the guidelines and realize that I personally cannot suggest this site as I am the owner of the site in question. I am wondering, though, if someone else could recommend it as I think that it would be a helpful resource for the search engine marketing, search engine optimization and/or other relevant articles on Wikipedia. Here, are the relevant sections of the External LInks guidelines page which indicate why I think it would be worthwhile including: What should be linked to 4. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article. 5. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as professional athlete statistics, screen credits, interviews, or online textbooks. This site is a work in progress and eventually will include a list of tutorials on various subjects relating to search engine marketing (similar to an online textbook), such as search engine optimization, pay-per-click advertising, blogs, and more. It is true that there are ads on the site and that we may offer other services in the future, but the tutorials in and of themselves are a free resource for the search community and complement the information foudn on Wikipedia. Also, I have noticed that other sites which have links on Wikipedia contain ads. I have taken that to mean that a commercial site is not a site which has ads on them. I would appreciate it if you could let me know the guidelines of what is considered a commercial site. Also, could you please let me know whether or not free, online tutorials comes under the category of "neutral and accurate material not already in the article" which contain "a level of detail that is not suitable for inclusion in an article". After all, they contain "other, meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article". I assure you that these tutorials are extremely well researched and are constantly being revised to keep them accurate and up-to-date. Thank you for your time, Yours truly, Moshe Morris SEMBasics.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GDMSEO (talk • contribs) . Your site has Google ads. I don't see any content in it that couldn't be included (or isn't already include) in the article. Most editors, including myself, will remove links to similar sites, as Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promoting commercial or personal sites. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:16, 5 September 2006 (UTC) Three questions: 1) Are step-by-step insturctions of how to properly implement a search engine marketing campaign they type of info that would be part of a Wikipedia article? 2) If the answer to that question is no, then is this the type of information that would compliment a Wikipedia article? If not, may I ask why not? 3) I noticed that the other links in External Link section for Search Engine Marketing also contained ads. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GDMSEO (talk • contribs) . Answers (1) I don't understand the question, though I will note that Wikipedia is not an instruction guide. Also, it's not appropriate to add content just for the sake of linking a commercial/personal site as a source of that content. (2) Answered in #1. (3) Then they should probably be removed unless there was a consensus on the talk page of that article for their inclusion. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:14, 5 September 2006 (UTC) External link query Jamie, I added an external link to the only website dealing with information about climbing in western colorado. This is an informational resource. Why would you delete it? Bigh 18:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC) Because it's not highly relevant to Colorado. If we have a Colorado climbing resource link at Colorado, then why shouldn't we have links for Square dancing and Archery in Colorado? Wikipedia is not a link directory. Try Dmoz for that. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:38, 8 September 2006 (UTC) User:Sanke Jamie and visitor's wikipedia, i'm so sorry about my url, i don't know. can i share a picture again? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sanke (talk • contribs) 15:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Now that I've taken a closer look at the links, I'm not sure if the ones you added were that bad. Clearly there is a problem on that page with commercial links, but a couple are probably appropriate. I've started a discussion on the talk page; I apologize if I acted in haste. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC) My talk page Thanks a lot for reverting the vandalism to my talk page. Appreciate it. Clq 15:32, 12 September 2006 (UTC) No problem! OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:55, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Sept 11 I added a link to the loose change video, which you removed. It was placed right below the link to the "The Path To 9/11" video. I would like you to tell me why you removed this. If a link can be placed for such a right-wing piece of propaganda, surely a left-oriented link can be placed in the same section. Please leave msg on my talk page Cavell 21:41, 12 September 2006 (UTC) "Loose Change" has been discussed endlessly on the talk page (probably in the archives now). The other movies you mention in the edit summary are major theatrical or television releases, while Loose Change is amateur. There is a link for it on the conspiracy page. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC) Grapefruit Seed Extract: Update Hi Jamie, I am the user that Devios was not thrilled about. I am a chemist who has insight into GSE. I have copies of the studies done on GSE. I actually read the studies unlike Devios. The info Devios put in the article is false and speculation. And worse it is copyrighted info that the copyright holder did not grant Devios permission to use. Just thought I set the record straight and clear up the air. Review the factual article and you will see that their are verifiable references that prove the facts. Devios is incredulous! Good Day, Nicole. Ku klux klan Hey, i have to ask you that if i revert again, will it be under 3RR. I only reverted clear vandalism. There was no content dispute. Thanks.nids(♂) 20:21, 13 September 2006 (UTC) Nope, 3RR does not apply to obvious vandalism. Revert away. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC) Thanks for your encouragements and clearing my long standing doubts.nids(♂) 20:26, 13 September 2006 (UTC) Palmer Trinity Quit editing palmer trinity school, you no nothing of it and its interactions, look how flawed the website curently is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.144.108.236 (talk • contribs) Actually, I've spoken with an administrator there (a Mr. Hoke) regarding some of the vandalism to the page. He confirmed that most of the additions anon IPs have attempted to add were bogus; I will continue to remove similar crap from the entry. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC) fool, why don't you quit being a idiot by reverting the page to an incorrect stance instead of fixing the true problems of the page, I inserted the real facts and figures so that the page contains true information. Nice bluff though about Mr. Hoke (you ass) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.225.220.122 (talk • contribs) Why don't you ask Mr. Hoke if he spoke with an editor from Wikipedia? (ok?) OhNoitsJamie Talk 02:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC) Jonathan Nguyen Just thought I'd let you know about that Jonathan Nguyen page you just prodded – it's been deleted and recreated several times. Regards, — riana_dzasta wreak havoc|damage report 05:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the heads up. OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC) My pleasure! — riana_dzasta wreak havoc|damage report 13:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC) Palmer Trinity School First, your not supposed to delete comments on user talk, specifically when you refuse to listen to reason, leave PTS to people of PTS since you know nothing about the school beyond whst s web page tells you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by OneKorea (talk • contribs) . Removing personal attacks from talk pages is perfectly acceptable. You do not own the article (nor does anyone else for that matter). OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC) AFD You forgot to sign your last nomination. Yomanganitalk 19:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC) Doh! Fixed it, thanks! OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:22, 15 September 2006 (UTC) External links Hi Joe, I added a new external link today to a website I am developing about spam, I note that you removed it. Apologies if it didn't meet the criteria, but I have gone over the external links guidelines a couple of times and I cannot see what was wrong. The site offers advise articles researched by myself and broken into what I consider interesting and worthwhile topics. It includes a relevant news feed and the facility to translate the website into a number of languages. I have developed a number of similar sites and linked to Wikipedia, as well as contributing to various projects here. Basically, my question is what did you see straight-off that was wrong with it, I have been searching for answers on this topic here for a while and need more guidance. Another site I developed has gone through over 60 revisions on Wikipedia and has just been dropped today also. It's quite frustrating, I am not looking to corrupt this website in any way, as it is a tremendous resource for all internet users such as myself. Would be grateful for any response thast could help me :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.63.145.233 (talk • contribs) Read the guidelines again; in fact, the first thing that the "spam1" template says is to not add links to your own sites. It's generally not a good idea to develop sites solely for the purpose of linking Wikipedia to them. If you want to contribute to Wikipedia, contribute content to the articles. Your site has Google ads; Wikipedia is not a vehicle to drive traffic to a revenue-generating site. By the way, I'm not Joe either. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC) Will you please do the honors? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ohnoitsjamie&diff=76697279&oldid=76697256 -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 00:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Much obliged, and thanks for the user page revert. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 00:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC) My finger was on the block button waiting for that one. ;) I noticed months ago you'd surpassed my edit count (you must be over 20k by now). Do you have the highest number of non-admin/non-bot edits? OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC) malcolm x why did you revert my edits on malcolm x? thats extremely uncool! --- all my additions are from an excelent bbc documentary http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2485457538368783680&q=malcolm+x+bbc such data as oxford union debate, meeting castro and some other details that, after watching documentary, i found missing in the article, i have added. it is extremely rude to delete hours of other people's work, and indeed i do not understand what have you against my edits that added a lot of interesting information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.205.132.170 (talk • contribs) Here's a direct quote from your lengthy addition: Malcolm X had great energy, he was able to work day after day with just four hours of sleep or less, he read a lot and once he believed in a cause devoted himself to it completely. I reverted it mostly because it was unsourced. OhNoitsJamie Talk 06:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC) that quote is from the documentary (look at 42 minutes 30s to 43 minutes sample of it) , as almost everything i added. i did not know much about malcolm x and have no particular reason to have any bias in this matter (i am neither black nor muslim or anything like that); much of the article is poorly sourced. when i watched the documentary on google video i checked the web, and find out that some interesting details were missing in wiki article, and added them. Thanks Thanks for reverting vandalism to my page. --Nlu (talk) 05:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC) September Esperanza Newsletter Program Feature: Barnstar Brigade Here in Wikipedia there are hundreds of wikipedians whose work and efforts go unappreciated. One occasionally comes across editors who have thousands of good edits, but because they may not get around as much as others, their contributions and hard work often go unnoticed. 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If, in the future, you wish to receive a link to the newsletter, rather than the newsletter itself, you may add yourself to Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter/Opt Out List. What was vandalism?? Can you stop going around and giving others warnings? you have no authority. Leave me alone and never leave comments on my page, you, you dog lover. --Rizzwan 22:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC) This is the vandalism in question. Furthermore, your assertion about my authority is incorrect, as you will discover if you continue to vandalize pages. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC) You need to get laid. --Rizzwan 22:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC) And you need to stop making personal attacks. The next one will get you blocked. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC) I own the copyrights... Firstly, I own the copty rights, and seccondly there is a copy right clearance on the text see: http://www.geocities.com/~abdulwahid/hinduism/hindu_women.html Look at the bottom of the page! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rizzwan (talk • contribs) . Even without the copyright issue, it's not a good idea to make such sweeping changes to such an article without proposing them first on the talk page. Furthermore, much of the text you added was not well-organized and not formatted properly and is not written from a neutral point of view. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:50, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Well duhh I am also working on it, and formatting it, I will change the tone and all my sources are cited. So if you, revert it then you will be vandalizing the page. Are you a misogynist or a supporter of women abuse? if no then let me do what I am doing, as I am a former Hindu converted to Islam so I know what I am talking about. --Rizzwan 22:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Will you leave me the hell alone are you some sort of a commie? or something. --Rizzwan 22:52, 20 September 2006 (UTC) You'd already created a staging area for the article. Please fix the formatting and references there before attempting to add it to the article space. Also, I'm warning you once again to not make personal attacks on other users. You won't be warned again. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:00, 20 September 2006 (UTC) I have a problem with you... You're reverting my work back with no-good reasons, I am new to wiki so obviously, I am not going to know how to format the sources properly, hence why I have added them all unformatted that someone can do them (i.e) format the. SO why revert my work back to some apologetic misogynistic supporting article? How do you expect any articles to work on here if you go an revert everything back just because someone hasn't formated it correctly. The point of wiki is to do collaborations to expand the articles. So please I am asking you nicely don't revert my work or help me to format it and to remove the text whcih is not appropriate for an encyclopedia article. Why are you trying so hard to piss me off? --Rizzwan 23:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC) I've given you the reasons for the reverts. Formatting is less of an issue than sourcing. Any time you make a submission, the statement, "Encyclopedic content must be verifiable appears below the textarea. Please read that link as well as Wikipedia's policies on reliable sources and neutral point of view. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:08, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Stop being Hitler You told me once not to post my link. Fine. But when I remove your links "WHICH WERE BROKEN" you still revert my work back. Now that page has your 2 broken links again. What are you insane? Did you even check your own links? Your really power-stricken and a "know-it-all". Maybe you need to find something better to do with your day than harass every one else who use and enjoy this website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gouimet (talk • contribs) . I checked both links and both were working, so I restored them. Your links violated WP:SPAM, which is why they were removed. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC) seconded. just checked both links. Syrthiss 23:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC) you guys were correct. I was wrong. I had 2 sources check for me, it's my computer. I appoligise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gouimet (talk • contribs) No worries. If you can see some sites and not others, it could be that your ISP is having a problem with one of their routers. OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC) Something interesting I just found. Once of my sources re-checked fitness.gov and it does not work for him in Internet Explorer (I use IE6). When he originally checked, he was using firefox. I just checked on firefox and it works. Have you guys checked those links in IE6? User:Gouimet Both worked in my IE6; maybe a security setting or some kind of spyare/antivirus/proxy plugin? OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC) Jamie, I created a useful reference for the antique industry. A glossary, newel.com/glossary.aspx. I added a link under the antique furniture section and it was removed. Can you explain why this was removed and not allowed and the other links are allowed. I notice links to sites all the time. I'm still not clear on why some sites are allowed and others like the one I just added are removed. I'm starting to feel that Wikipedia is useless as a site. I'm trying to add value and contribute and only get frustrated and see other sites of less value and links to sites that display google ads allowed. What's the point? Rickbrown55 (talk · contribs) We've been over this before on the talk page for that article. Folks are constantly trying to spam Wikipedia with commercial/promotional links, and as such it's not difficult to find inappropriate ones. If you do, feel free to remove them. OhNoitsJamie Talk 05:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC) Dachshund Hello...I'm sort of new at this, so I'm sorry if I make any mistakes. I happened to look up Dachshund, and read the Wiki article. Toward the bottom I saw a heading for "Clubs, Associations, and Societies," so as assistant organizer of the Boston Dachshund Meetup, I added a link to our group. I noticed that within minutes, the link was removed. After going over some Wikipedia rules, I realize that this link may be regard as spam, partly because you have to register for the group, and partly because it is a very localized group. I decided to just add a link for the national dachshund meetup where people can search for a group near their area. Some groups (like ours) require approval while some others don't. (We require it so to afford the group a modicum of privacy and protection, but there is no fee involved.) I hope the new link is ok. Please share your thoughts if you decide to delete it. Thanks, Vinnie I'm OK with it, but if another editor feels that it's spam, you'll have to take it to the talk page for that article (i.e., ask for input regarding the inclusion of that link). P.S. Don't forget to sign your talk page comments with four tildes: ~~~~. Thanks, OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC) *points at the talk page* :) I'd say it violates multiple points of WP:EL - Trysha (talk) 20:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC) Trysha is correct. My focus is mostly on ridding Wikipedia of promotional/advertising links, but according to the letter of the WP:EL and WP:SPAM policies, there are probably only a small fraction of links that are appropriate. Personally, I tend to lean toward deletion of links rather than keep; it's easier to avoid the gray areas that way. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:44, 21 September 2006 (UTC) ???NEIGBOURS??? The information i placed on Neigbours is correct, as i watch it practically every monday-friday on channel 10 at 6:30 pm on Australian television. Sorry to seem rude, but i know the actors/actresses. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Truelife (talk • contribs) . Solution to problem; source your additions. Declaring that you know the actors/actresses isn't good enough. OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Sorry about that~ Sorry about editing ur comment. I was just confused and i forgot how to add a comment on the page so i accidently pressed somthing, and i think i deleted ur comment by mistake. and then when i realsed i did so, i found out that it actually works so i edited it more. Anyways, i apoligise deeply for that mistake. sorry again Truelife 03:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Oh, OK. OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC) "Sneaky Spam??" Umm... I don't think so. You don't like blogs? Fine. I have no connection to the satire site in question - take it up on the article's discussion page, and don't make assumptions on my talk page, please. For Toledoans, the site is a go-to humor site - I live in between Detroit and Toledo, and have a lot of relatives there. Do you? Gauging from your contributions, you seem to spend most of your time just making snap decisions about a user's intent and issuing blocks, warnings, and the like. But heck, just my opinion. Johnbrownsbody 22:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Like you said, we're all entitled to our opinions. I still call it sneaky spam. I distinctly recall other users sneaking that site in among "minor grammar" edits (e.g. [1]; might be interesting to run a CheckUser on that one). Blogs are rarely appropriate links for articles unless the blog has (1) verifiable notability or is is written by the article's subject. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:02, 22 September 2006 (UTC) I have no idea what you are talking about in your most recent entry on my talk page. I am sitting at a public library in Toledo making some edits, and you are accusing me of all sorts of strange edits. If prior users of the IP you listed are quacks or spammers, that's too bad, but I am not the person you should be complaining about. Please find more productive uses of both your and my time. Thank you.Johnbrownsbody 22:29, 22 September 2006 (UTC) The edit patterns speak for themselves. (By the way, I've rooted out most of the other nationalnitwit blog links). Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:31, 22 September 2006 (UTC) Deletion How come you delete a Microsoft recommend expert zone website ( http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/related/default.mspx ) - SoftwareTipsandTricks with over 35,000+ members. And you allow your friends websites with hardly any members - who just copy and paste content from other large sites? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Keke (talk • contribs) In my 15k or so edits, I've probably added less than ten external links total (if that), and certainly not to a friend's site. (I don't have any friends who make money from websites as far as I know). Feel free to peruse my contribution history. If you feel that some of the other remaining links are non-notable, feel free to delete them. See WP:EL and WP:SPAM for link guidelines. OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:43, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Apostille On the word "apostille" , why are you deleting a link to a site that has had useful info about apostilles since 1998? Doesn't make sense! You are just a little Hitler, where do you get off? Almost any page on the net could be considered commecial nowadays. You have issues! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.154.44.61 (talk • contribs) I don't think you've read WP:SPAM oder WP:EL. The site in question sells Apostille's. It's advertising. Period. Furthermore, I recommend that you not make personal attacks, as doing so is grounds for blocking. OhNoitsJamie Talk 05:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC) AfD Hi Jamie. Could you please have a look at Articles for deletion/Islamic violence afd closure? Thanks in advance. -- Szvest 14:44, 23 September 2006 (UTC) User:FayssalF/Sign Hasn't been moved to the "old" list yet, but it looks like a consensus for deletion to me. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Thanks mate. Szvest 00:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC) I prod'ed William W. Quinn, Jr (FYI) William W. Quinn, Jr an article created by Sheldunn (talk · contribs), has been proposed for deletion. I noticed on Sheldunn's talk page that you had some issues with Sheldunn's contributions, which as of 20:22, 23 September 2006 (UTC) are limited just to Quinn and Quinn's dissertation. I'm letting you know about the PROD in case your previous interactions gave you insight into a reason to keep the article around after all. 66.167.139.50. Yeah, that editor was pretty unclear on the ropes. I'd have to agree with you that the book/author doesn't appear to meet notability tests. OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:25, 23 September 2006 (UTC) Guest:I have been accused of vandelizum (and bad spelling) in my messages for an IP address that isn't mine and for pages that I have never gone to. It says itself that AOL uses the same IP address for multiple users. And it has now blocked me from editing pages. (which i don't do much) I would like this corrected. Famous Women in History I voted for non-deletion. The general view, however, was that the subject was too "broad". I now find that a search for "famous women" results in a list of articles considerable less useful to a searcher with only a broad idea of what he or she is looking for. (I'm thinking of perhaps a middle-school history student with a deadline approaching.) Does it make sense to redirect students to lists of "short women", and "tall women" for instance? Do you think it would be feasable to improve the usefulness of the Wikipedia to students by giving a more organized redirection page in response to a request for "women" or "famous women" or "women in history", or should we create a new "famous women in history" page which refers the reader to a clear set of subcategories, sugh as "women in science", literature, art, etc.?--Davidrei 20:21, 24 September 2006 (UTC) I'm not sure that the elimination of that list leaves a real void. I would suggest to a student wishing to do a report on a famous woman to start in a narrower category first; e.g., famous women in Colonial American history? Modern Turkish history? There's always the Category link for women and all of the sub-categories. OhNoitsJamie Talk 07:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Thank you for the suggestions. I searched for "Famous Women in Colonial American history", "Famous Women in Modern Turkish history", "Famous Women", and "Category:Women". I also looked up "women" and "women in history". I noticed a void, not in the underlying articles, but in the response to the searches. This is what I mean: The first two searches, of course, returned nothing. Although one might argue that no one should conduct such a search, I can imagine a good faith desire to fill a void in, for instance, a History textbook. The search "famous women", results in a red (dead) link to "famous women in History", followed by links to the abovementioned "famous short women" and "famous tall women". At this point, the student might wonder why women between 5 feet and 5 foot 10 inches have been deleted. No answer is presented. The search for "Category:Women" does present links leading, eventually, to lists of scientists, writers, actors, etc. which would bbe acceptable to a teacher. However, few searchers will find this page without site-specific knowlege, which we can't assume. Also, aesthetically, I find the list odd in two ways: First, the breadth of the subcategories is bewilderingly variable. My eyes are drawn to a whole series of British nobility categories, then to tantalising info about "Pregnancy" and "Page three girls". It's true that "Women by occupation", etc, are available, but the subcategories seem to belong to different and unrelated lists. If you compare to the system of organization of "List of Chinese People", for instance, the difference in utility is clear. Subdividing the list into subcategories "Kinds of women", "Groups of Women", "Links to pictures of pretty girls", "female subsets of lists of people", and "aspects of womankind" would make the page much more readable. Although the concerns of middle-aged men are certainly valid, I think we should not rebuff the more intellectual needs of students with girl-free History books in hand. They deserve a clear path to the subjects of interest. I then tried "women in history". Although no such page exists, the list of near-miss pages was extensive and more-or-less on-point. Would the inadequacy of the response to a "famous women in history" search be best improved by creating a short article by that name with links to proper narrower searches? Can the searches "Famous women" and "famous women in History" be redirected to "women in history" to take advantage of the excellent set of near-miss links? I think either would be better than presenting an error message in response to a simple, clear, and popular* request. Better, because even the conversation about the propriety of looking for a list of famous women would be advanced by giving the information, along with a note explaining the controversy. What do you think? /*The "famous women in history" page was #849 in that (disputed) visit count of June, 2005. That would put it in the top 0.5% of articles. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee%5CList_of_Wikipedia_articles_with_at_least_1000_hits) It was #48 in Google to Wikipedia links on March 7th, 2003. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_articles_frequently_visited_through_Google)--Davidrei 21:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC) I don't think internal search optimization is a good solution (nor do I think it's considered acceptible). If you have suggestions about organization of categories, there are ongoing discussions regarding that issue. Wikipedia's Categories page serves as a good starting point, with info about category guidelines in general as well as links to active projects. Categories is one area that I haven't delved into much, so I can't help you much beyond pointing you to that resource. I think you have some good ideas; I'm sure your input will be welcome there, as there is a lot of work to be done. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:03, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Thanks again, and I'll look up Categories. And Illinois. --Davidrei 22:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Vandalism of Bong Hey, as you're probably aware, we're still having a problem with IP users vandalising bong. I know that you banned one IP, but it seems that either he/she has access to multiple IPs or there are a lot of other retards who insist that it is neccesary to ignore consensus, not to mention Wikipedia policy. I don't know if it's severe enough to warrant semi-protection, but yeah, we need some kind of admin help I think. --Anaraug 23:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC) Looks like he may be using an open proxy. I'll have a few of the IPs checked; if it persists, I'll semi-protect. OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC) Hah. I was just thinking, "Hmmm, I haven't seen the crazy person mangling Bong lately." Thanks for the semi-protection; it's a nice relief. William Pietri 07:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC) User 218.188.16.66 The IP 218.188.16.66 has again vandalised not one, but two pages again (specifically Shusuke Fuji and Kunimitsu Tezuka), thankfully Yamaguchi先生 reverted their edits, but can you do something about the user, like temporarily blocking them or something? To be honest, the Prince of Tennis pages have been getting a lot of vandalism by IP logs, is there some way of only letting register users edit the pages? Thank you! Sincerely, Vera26 06:48, 26 September 2006 (UTC) 218.188.16.66 (talk · contribs) is blocked for 48 hours (length extended for second block). It is possible to restrict anons from editing pages via semi-protection, but that should only be used if individual IP blocks doesn't solve the problem. Looking at the history of Prince of Tennis, it's hard to tell what's vandalism since folks aren't using edit summaries. (It's always a good idea to put something in the edit summary box; for vandalism reverts, "rvv" is fine). Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 06:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC) The whole Turkey-Genocide thing I've noticed that this avoidance of delicate issues isn't restricted to the Turkey page. A whole load of pages relating to Turkey conveniently fail to make any mention of it. Even Human rights in Turkey fails to mention that you can be jailed for calling it a genocide. There's not much that can be done, as I think that an overwhelming majority of editors are Turkish, and feel offended by criticism of Turkey. I'm not Armenian or anything, but this seems to be quite a serious problem. Any ideas? Is there a way we can make a public announcement for help from neutral editors? Yandman 07:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC) It's sanitizing/censorship as far as I'm concerned. If I have time today, I may try to put together another section that outlines major issues in EU membership as reported by reliable sources; if that isn't acceptible, I'll take it to Request for comment. I don't have issues with any country in the world (though I'm not a big fan of all governments). I do have a generally favorable opinion of Turkey's government, but I am firmly against censorship and sanitizing. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:58, 26 September 2006 (UTC) I put in an RfC: Talk:Turkey#Request_for_Comment:_Sanitization_of_Turkish_history. I hope we can bring in some neutral editors to debate this. Yandman 07:54, 28 September 2006 (UTC) BCPS Hi,I was just wondering a few things about an ip adress being blocked. I use the computers at school sometimes to surf wikipedia, and this IP adress is banned, 151.196.98.43. I sometimes make edits too, and under my account. I dont have a history of vandalism, yet im blocked, and I am a fairly established user. Is it possible for my username to be unblocked? or is the ip adress as a whole completely blocked? Thanks for your time. Bearingbreaker92 21:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC) UntraveledRoad I hope you don't mind if I move this conversation here. I see you are very bitter about me. I am sorry for that. Can we talk this over and come to a truce of some kind? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KelvinSmith (talk • contribs) . I'm not bitter about anything. I do, however, object to people using Wikipedia as a promotional vehicle. You've already attempted to add numerous links to your own site until you were called on it; now you're trying to get other people to do it for you. I'm simply following policies and guidelines established in WP:EL and WP:SPAM. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:37, 28 September 2006 (UTC) Deleted bio Do you deny my obvious manness. - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tony Arena (talk • contribs) . I deny your notability. OhNoitsJamie Talk 08:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC) External Link Removal Hi, on 16:20, 21 June 2006, you removed an external link from the Shopping Mall page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shopping_mall). The reason given for the removel was "rv commercial links." The link was "* BIGMallrat Guide to Shopping Malls." I can assure you, however, that the site removed is not a commerical link. Nothing is being sold, nor is the site run by a commercial entity. It's a personal Web page dedicated to shopping malls. Of course, I've reviewed the guidelines for links and the site is not in violation. It seems to me the removal of the link was in error and I would like it restored. Thank you. sparsonsusa The removal of the link was not an error. It is a personal site with advertisements; please refer to the policies at WP:SPAM and WP:EL. Furthermore, adding the site to 16 other articles (as of 10/4/06) would be considered to be spamming by most editors. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:37, 4 October 2006 (UTC) But you said it was removed because it was a commercial site, as it is not. No where in the rules does it say personal sites may not have ads. In addition, some of the external links from that page link to sites that have ads. Malls of America, Labelscar, and so forth. They all are ad-supported. Are you saying those sites are appropriate, but the BIGMallrat site is not? Under what specific grounds? Don't direct me to "the rules" when I've read them and apparently my interpretation is different from yours. Cite the exact rule. In addition, the links to the other pages in the site are not a violation. All the links do not point to a single URL, which is spamming according to the rules. Instead, the links point to different URLs, which is not spamming. The rules do not expressly prohibit that. Not to mention, the information contained therein is appropriate to each and every subject; of which I've made contributions. I don't understand how this has been fine to everyone else all this time then you come around with your interpretation of the rules and say what was previously okay is suddenly not okay. Precedent has already been set. Please respond! — Preceding unsigned comment added by sparsonsusa (talk • contribs) The presense of other links with ads does not justify your link. If other links with ads are not highly relevant to the subject (i.e., they are not official sites or reliable news sources, they should be removed as well. If you like, I'd be happy to present this link search to Wikiproject Spam for second opinions. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Actually, sorry for butting in here - but that is clearly linkspam. I've cleaned up the list of links in the main shopping mall article, as well as removed all the bigmallrat stuff. Looks like there is a bunch of cleanup work to be done on all these mall articles for other sites as well - I've done some of this already. - Trysha (talk) 22:18, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Well that's rude to anyone who has an appropriate link that was acceptable until Trysha showed up. I would have prefered if Trysha just minded her own business and BUT out. Clearly the rules are being reinterpreted as the minutes tick by. That's unfair and unethical. You would be just as angry if I did that to you. Precedent has already been set, but apparently that means nothing here. Wikipedia will never be a credible source as long as each editor does his or her own thing, without regard to the greater community. I can't believe the efforts I've put in to a number of articles and this is the thanks I get. I'm sure everyone who had their links removed by Trisha thanks her, too. Don't bother presenting any of the links. I have better things to do that deal with a bunch of control freaks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by sparsonsusa (talk • contribs) . Trysha didn't change any rules; she's simply helping to develop a new template to make the existing rules and guidelines more clear. Personally, I prefer my Wikipedia to be free of advertisements. I'm sure that the many others who feel the same way will continue to value and use it. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Thank you Thanks for editing my picture formatting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Erikeltic (talk • contribs) No problem...it's fairly easy once you get the hang of it (though it can be tricky to get text to flow nicely around images in some larger articles). OhNoitsJamie Talk 21:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC) new spam warning Heya, I dunno if you have been watching it, but there is a new spam warning template in the works Wikipedia:WikiProject_Spam/Spam1 here, i'm tempted to go ahead and stick my version (the version that most folks have liked) in the spam template. I think that the bigmall guy would have been diffused a bit more by this one, as it doesn't get hung up on that whole 'commerical' point. What do you think? - Trysha (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2006 (UTC) No, I hadn't see that (though I just added my $.02). I like it. I get tired of the Wiki-lawyering over the fine points of the policies. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks! I didn't even notice that grammatical bit. I went ahead and did the replacement on spam/spam-n. I totally understand what you mean about the wikilawyering :) _ Trysha (talk) 22:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC) Deletion of user pages How do I delete my account on here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Darkness88 (talk • contribs) . User page deletion guidlines. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC) email message Heya, I got an email message from and Ohnoitsjamie account about my deletion of external links, and I wanted to be sure that it was from you. It seemed somewhat out of character, as you have always said you prefer to use talk pages for these sorts of discussions :) - Trysha (talk) 18:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Yeah, that was me. It was one of those rare things I preferred to keep off-line for various reasons. I'm not too worried about the outcome either way; just wondering what you thought about it. OhNoitsJamie Talk 19:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC) compare or just delete I keep running into deletions when there are similar ones already there to the one I added on the page??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chat_room Chat Acronyms — Meanings of acronyms used in online chat The link I added was even better site than this one. DO you compare or just delete? Thanks - 01:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Geomguy I delete when I see a pattern of contributions that suggest that someone is trying to promote a site. There are plenty of other external links on Wikipedia that probably should be deleted as well, so their presense isn't an argument for the inclusion of yours. Feel free to delete any links you find that violate WP:SPAM and WP:EL guidelines. OhNoitsJamie Talk 02:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC) Andrew Jackson Jihad Because of your input on previous music AfDs, I was hoping you would take a look at this article and provide your thoughts on whether or not it meets WP:MUSIC its latest AfD. PT (s-s-s-s) 00:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC) I looked at it; I'm having trouble seeing how it meets WP:BAND. The closest criteria would be Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city ; though the article seems to make that claim, none of the cited sources support that (i.e., they don't state that AJJ is the most promiment rep of a scene, only that they are part of a local scene). If you could find supporting sources (or if they meet another criteria I'm missing) I'd be happy to weigh in. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:05, 10 October 2006 (UTC) Linking to a contibutor page when reverting vandalism Is there a faster way than [[special:contributions/]]?HalfShadow 15:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC) My automated edit summaries are a function of my administrator account. Here is some good information on vandal-fighting tools that anyone can use, though I haven't used either of the tools mentioned. I'm pretty sure that they have some facillities for edit summary automation. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC) Well done! Well done for blocking Wiki-liki-bo-biki Much appreciated I'm sure did you see what he/she put on the N Korea page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SMcDouglas (talk • contribs) Yeah, I suspect that North Korea will be a popular vandalism target for the next few days. Indef blocking accounts like that can slow it down a bit. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:07, 10 October 2006 (UTC) WHY?WHY?WHY? Hi, I'm sorry if we keep bumping into each other like this but i really would prefer it if you would give me a proper and detailed xplanantion as to why you keep on deleting parts of my article as well as others. No offence, but lately you've been on quite alot of our nerves and i apoligise if i seem offensive. PLease tell me why you deleted the Student Repressetnative Coucil section on my article "Trinity Catholic College". It is an essentail aspect of school life and provides readers with extra background as well as current and contemporary information. I do not see at all how it is irrelavent. Truelife 06:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC) If you look at other school articles, you'll see that we don't maintain info like current student council representatives and other transient information like that. It's too difficult to maintain and beyond the scope of what's appropriate for the article. See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Schools for more info. Note in that guideline the following remark: Names of noteworthy (e.g. award-winning, published) faculty of the past can be mentioned. Generally timeless information (such as published teachers) is preferred over transitory information (like the exact number of math teachers at a point in time). It's safe to assume that if lists of current teachers are discouraged, the same would apply to current student representatives. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC) You reverted my edit for no reason..... It was an external link which I found useful. I thought that others could find it useful, too. It isn't my web site or anything like that by no means and I know the address if I need it....so I couldn't care less that you deleted it.... I just feel discouraged to try to edit something to Wikipedia again....... I'll reverse back my edit once.....if you delete it again, peace be with you, man - you must feel very powerful in your shoes...... Obeisant I'm not wearing shoes. OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Obeisant, see the WP:SHOES policy : "Editors should only ever edit Wikipedia whilst wearing tartan carpet slippers, or failing that, plastic sandals worn over knee-length white socks". To say an editor has been wearing shoes on duty is a very serious accusation. yandman 11:42, 12 October 2006 (UTC) With shoes or not, here is the deal: I took your advice and I read 2 times very careful the guidelines for adding links. I think that my edit does not violate any of those guidelines and is justified, so I will put the link back. If you delete it again, I’ll put it back again. If you give me a valid reason why it shouldn’t be there I’ll stop – I promise. If not, I’ll put it back every time I have the time to play the game of nerves, until the end of days. Regards, Obeisant Here's a reason. A Google search for "mortgage calculator" yields over 18 million hits. Wikipedia is not a link directory. If a mortgage calculator link were to be included on the page, an ad-free one would be more appropriate. Please do not add the link again. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:05, 13 October 2006 (UTC) In the context of spam violations, it's also worth noting that Wikipedia has a policy on sockpuppetry and that a Check user tool is at our disposal. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Ha, I see what you mean with the sockpuppetry, but you're wrong. Probably somebody else read these comments and acted. LOL. You can check the IP for the edits if you don't believe - the other person certainly didn't edit from my place, so don't rush to conclusions. Regarding what you said about the other calculators with no ads, I will consider it. I'll look for a nice one without ads (if you say there are so many) and I'll link to that. I'll see then if you're cool or not..... Regards, Obeisant If you're looking for an ad-free one, you can have Google limit the search to certain domains like so. (In theory, .org sites are supposed to be non-profit, but some do have ads). While assuming good faith is a Wikipedia cornerstone, it does look suspicious when someone's first edit from a registered account it to add a link with ads, especially when that link has been the subject of previous spam campaigns. If that wasn't your intent, I apologize. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Here's one that's similar to the everycalc one (it's from a credit union's site; no ads). Looks like credit union sites frequently have them. You might be able to find a better one. OhNoitsJamie Talk 01:20, 13 October 2006 (UTC) OK, Jamie. I appreciate your zeal to keep the world free of the profiteering greed. (And I REALLY appreciate what Wikipedia is doing). But the particular example you give is not even close to the one I proposed. When you have some time, try to crunch some numbers in both of them using your own mortgage refinance scenario, and see which one will give you information to make a decision. But I will give it to you and I will eventually look for another good calculator which is non commercial and with no ads (I wonder if I’ll find such an animal….). I’m usually rational, un-stubborn and certainly not fanatic, but your action to reverse my first edit made me feel pissed-off and determined to fight back, for a philosophical reason…..I mean, by trying to protect the idea of non-profit, you are willing to sacrifice the quality of Wikipedia’s output. The use of the calculator I proposed was free for me, nobody profited from me taking advantage of it. If somebody clicks on their ads, why should I care or why should you care for that matter? You are using Google search many times every day right? And they are providing you a huge service for free, right? Why would you care if they have ads and if anybody at all clicks on their ads or not? (And I bet that you secretly wish that enough people click on their ads so that they make enough money to be happy and continue to give you their valuable service for free). I understand that there is a lot of vandalism and spam and garbage you need to take care of – and I really pride your voluntary effort, but to compromise Wikipedia’s quality by using poorer quality free material instead of better quality free material just because of the benign (in my opinion) Google ads, that’s something I don’t understand. Best Regards, Obeisant I understand where you're coming from. Sadly, your sentiments/intentions account for what seems to be a very small percentage of new users who add links. I'll concede that in the 15 minutes that I looked for an ad-free refinancing calculator, I was unable to find one that had as many input fields as the first one you posted (though I don't know enough about the topic to evaulate it for accuracy). It would be a quixotic quest to attempt to remove all links with ads from Wikipedia. What I (and people on the spam project) look for is patterns. Reverting and warning within the first few edits often solves the problem. Unfortunately, sometimes I erroneously apply that "profiling" to innocent folks. Anyway, I appreciate your efforts to find an equivalent ad-free site; you certainly don't have to spend hours doing so. If you post a message to the Mortgage talk page asking for input on the link (be sure to mention that you and other editors attempted to find a non-commercial alternative first), I'll respect any consensus that arises from that discussion (i.e., I'll leave the link be if others agree that it's a worthwhile resources for that article). Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC) I think we eventually could be friends, even :-). When I’ll have time, I’ll do exactly what you suggest. In the end it was a pleasure talking to you. Best Regards, Obeisant Thanks for being understanding and taking time to discuss the issue. You'll find that the majority of folks who are active in the project are quite reasonable and friendly. I'm glad that you appreciate Wikipedia as much as I do; if you have any other questions or thoughts, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 05:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Userpage vandalism by Wellsey123 I have reported User:Wellsey123 for vandalizing your Userpage, given the fact you're an administrator. Disciplinary action should be taken against him. --D.F. "Jun Kazama Master" Williams 17:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the revert; AlphaChimp (talk · contribs) blocked him indef as vandalism-only. Cheers! OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:50, 12 October 2006 (UTC) Not Spam Please excuse any mis-posting of this comment. I read the guidelines and my opinion differs from yours. However, because you have the power and I do not, I lose. While you may have removed the link, you are obviously clueless about what spam (in this context)is and isn't. The link provided was not spam nor was it self promotion of a given product. It was not generated to incure "hits". I provided a link for an Oxen forum. Use a search engine and do a search and find how many there aren't. Ox(en) being a highly used means of agriculture is very important. Given the fact that there is NO Oxen specific entry (but rather a shared one under cattle) I see no issue with directing others to another educational source. I sell no product(s), make no money on the given link. The link was for a forum purely to provide an information exchange and to support 4H and Teamsters (Ox owners). Maybe next time you should take the time to educate yourself about a given link. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.45.100 (talk • contribs) . Quote from you "Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include (but are not limited to) links to personal web sites, links to web sites that you are affiliated with, and links that exist to attract visitors to a web site or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam policies for further explanations of links that are considered appropriate. If you feel the link should be added to the article, then please discuss it on the article's talk page rather than re-adding it. See the welcome page to learn more about Wikipedia. Thank you. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.45.100 (talk • contribs) . I wasn't the only one who reverted that link [2], so your opinion appears to be a minority at this point. Notice #9 in the Links to avoid section of WP:EL. Furthermore, I notice that the site in question has five registered members and five posts. That doesn't come close to addressing WP:Notability guidelines (which are informally applied to forums for some topics). OhNoitsJamie Talk 03:49, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Just so people know #9 says "Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to unless mandated by the article itself." The Notability issue isn't relevent, #9 is. The link was to a free forum. Consider me vaporware. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.80.45.100 (talk • contribs) . To clarify what I meant by informally applying notability to links; though WP:EL discourages forum links (unless the forum itself is the topic), most editors don't argue against the inclusion of high-popularity/high traffic forums on a topic. Posting a link to a fledling forum suggests promotion. Cheers, OhNoitsJamie Talk 05:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks Thanks for keeping watch on the Moon Area High School page. Students at the school keep adding useless content to it. - BobbyCherry2 Nice work on that page (and other Moon-related pages) yourself! I recall Mr. Cherry as a principal at the high school (or was it the middle school?) at some point....a relation? OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC) haha! No relation. Mr. Cherry was, during my time, a math (or history) teacher in the middle school. We always joked about being related, but to our knowledge are not. - BobbyCherry2 Award The Original Barnstar I Seadog.M.S award you the original barnstar for all your vandalism removal and your ability to edit articles Thanks for the barnstar! Seems like awhile since I've been awarded one. Cheers! OhNoitsJamie Talk 23:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Ohnoitsjamie About the Spam(team) article: I thought it might be notable because the team's name reflects the cultural influence of SPAM, especially that a team of elementary school kids would choose that for their team name. Hormel in fact sent hats as a gift to each player. Thank you, Hpgeek Please don't delete articles on a whim — Preceding unsigned comment added by subst:Boob the type of bird (talk • contribs) Daboia Regarding the Naturemagics link at the end of the Daboia article, I've tried to create a new link to the snake image alone, but the Naturemagics server apparently performs a so-called "referer check" to prevent this. I can't stop you from deleting this link from the article, and I'm not going to deny that this webpage exists mainly for advertising purposes, but I'd like to ask you to leave the link there anyway. As advertisements go, this one is hardly the worst, and to me the image is an excellent example of how slender D. russelii can be compared to the average terrestrial viperid. --Jwinius 12:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Fair enough. I was unaware that the photo in question was significantly different than those already in the article. OhNoitsJamie Talk 17:02, 19 October 2006 (UTC) Hobos Hi i am read a story with hobos in it and when i add the hobos in the book to the notable hobo's page Eyrian keeps erasing it and yelling at me. Can you tell her to stop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendermage (talk • contribs) I would've done the same thing as Eyrian. You've already been warned several times about adding spurious and unverified info to that page. Don't do it again unless you can provide a source. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Oh, No! From now on, this is POPopedia, not Wikipedia, so you have no power to warn me about anything. SO FUCK OFF.ThePOP 20:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Actually, I have the power to block you indefinitely as a vandalism-only account, which you are probably noticing by now. OhNoitsJamie Talk 20:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC) Douche My addition to the term douche bag, with the possible exception of adding my name, was appropriate, relevant, and accurate. This is completely a POV issue. But I'm sure I know your response, "I have the right to hold discretion over what is appropriate and inappropriate.” If that is the case, then Wikipedia is not allowing the free growth of our vernacular that is stated on the main page. It saddens me when power-hungry megalomaniacs impose their interpretations on OUR morality. This is censorship reminiscent of that which our government, most organized religions, and the Nazi SS have perpetrated on general populous for years. It is my hope that you are not one of those types of people, and that you will either allow me to take my name out and re-post or that you will edit and post the excerpt yourself. I won’t hold my breath though. -Thank you, Travis P.S. I do not appreciate the threat or the accusation of vandalism and would appreciate the decency of a reply. -— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sivartbook (talk • contribs) Your contribution history (under this account) shows no edits to Douche. If you're referring to this edit that I recently reverted, there isn't much to debate. The article already mentions that the term can be used as an insult. OhNoitsJamie Talk 06:09, 22 October 2006 (UTC) Apologies I am very sorry. please forgive me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.112.145 (talk • contribs) Wiki’s guidlines State: "Be respectful to others and their points of view. This means primarily: Do not simply revert changes in a dispute. When someone makes an edit you consider biased or inaccurate, improve the edit, rather than reverting it. Provide a good edit summary when making significant changes that other users might object to. The Three Revert Rule forbids the use of reverts in repetitive succession. If you encounter rude or inappropriate behavior, resist the temptation to respond unkindly, and do not make personal attacks. Writing according to the "perfect article guidelines" and following the NPOV policy can help you write "defensively", and limit your own bias in your writing. For some guidelines, see Wikipedia:Wikiquette." Can you please follow these guidelines? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gaoshan (talk • contribs) . Those guidelines have nothing to do with reverting spam (see user's edit history). OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC) User:Magicpoo Sometime earlier this year you left a vandalism warning on this user's talk page. I have just been through his contribs, and there is no vandalism to be found. Could you please justify your use of this template? Thanks. Heweyeweyeweyeweyeweyewey... The Duke of Copyeditting, Bow before me! You can't control me! I'm a P. I.! 16:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Oh, wait, he incorrectly inserted some data that was changed later down the track in some article (he added Shakira to an infobox), but this could have been an innocent mistake. Also, you used the heading Creating nonsense articles. All articles that this user has created have gone on to be expanded from a stub to at least starting-article class. Finally, whatever happened to not biting the newbies? Heweyeweyeweyeweyeweyewey... The Duke of Copyeditting, Bow before me! You can't control me! I'm a P. I.! 16:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Oh, and please reply on my talk page. Thanks. Heweyeweyeweyeweyeweyewey... The Duke of Copyeditting, Bow before me! You can't control me! I'm a P. I.! 16:12, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Logtenberg 00:01, 28 October 2006 (UTC) Hi Jamie. Why did you remove the global warming newswire link? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Logtenberg (talk • contribs) Less than an hour before you added it, an anon IP was spamming it all over the place. Furthermore, it doesn't appear to be anything more than an aggregator of other articles with Google ads. See WP:EL and WP:SPAM for more info. OhNoitsJamie Talk 00:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC) Hi Jamie, This site fills the gap of what is missing on the internet, a extensive collection of published studies focused on an extremely important topic in today's world. There's no other site that points to all the studies on this topic. I'm sorry for offending you. Please don't kill the momentum of what this site is striving to be because of how it was added to wikipedia by an unaware wikipedia user - me. We need it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Logtenberg (talk • contribs) You're not offending me. I just don't think we need it on Wikipedia. OhNoitsJamie Talk 04:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC) Thanks Thanks for reverting Discounts and allowances. You beat me to it. Danny 23:26, 27 October 2006 (UTC) Some comments on your latest merge Hi. I updated the talk page at Talk:Fethullah Gülen with some comments and proposals about your latest merge. Could you please check it and leave your comments on the matter at that page. Thank you. --Harput 09:00, 28 October 2006 (UTC) LaoShan Photo Gallery I think that the Qingdao Travel & Living Guide's Laoshan Photo Gallery [ http://www.thatsqingdao com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=158&Itemid=82 ] External Link is not SPAM according to Wiki's guidelines. Those photos add so much to that article. "A picture is worth a thousand words!" Do you honestly think that these gallery's do not add anything to the Wiki Laoshan Article? How can we resolve this issue?--219.146.94.4 06:22, 30 October 2006 (UTC) I think you need to read the guidelines more closely. Simply stating that it's not a violation doesn't make it so. The WP:SPAM and WP:EL policies clearly discourage users from adding links to their own sites. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion or advertising. If you feel those articles are lacking, you are encouraged to add content to them. If you have some photos you'd like to contribute, you can freely license them as WP:GDFL and upload them to the article. OhNoitsJamie Talk 16:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC) I have read the SPAM guidelines! It seems that your decision on this matter is purely subjective. I think you need to realize that there are 100 plus quality photo's in those galleries and that the one picture that is on the Laoshan Article is crap! If you showed that photo to anyone here in Qingdao they would not recognize it as being from Laoshan. OhNoitsJamie, have you ever visited Laoshan or even Qingdao for that matter?--Gaoshan 05:27, 31 October 2006 (UTC) --Jessica93 21:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC) Can you help me find an administrator of this English version of this website that also speaks Dutch. --Jessica93 21:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC) Offhand, I know R._Koot (talk · contribs), though he hasn't been on since yesterday. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:00, 30 October 2006 (UTC)