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Korean Tour external link template

I'm thinking of creating a on the lines of the others at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Golf/Templates#External_link_templates. This would link through to http://kgt.co.kr/players/profile.aspx?man_code=nnnnnnnn , eg K. J. Choi would be http://kgt.co.kr/players/profile.aspx?man_code=00000190 . The only issue is that pages are in Korean but the "translate to English" in my Chrome browser is helpful, although occasionally obscure (eg height = 신장 is translated as kidney. The page contains a lot of good stuff. eg the second option (결과 = results) gives season by season results.

PING (golf) vs Ping (golf) for page statistics

To better align the PING brand with the intents of the PING company I moved Ping (golf) to PING (golf). I thought I did this properly. I can't seem to get the page statistics to follow this move. Would you please help me do this? NickWikiAccount1708 (talk) 21:52, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

Not sure what you mean by "page statistics". Nigej (talk) 22:05, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/PING_(golf)NickWikiAccount1708 (talk) 22:37, 3 February 2019 (UTC)

The page has been moved back to Ping (golf) now I notice. Nigej (talk) 16:51, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

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Staysure Tour

Ahead of the new season of the Staysure Tour (European Senior Tour), can the main name of the Tour be changed to reflect the Tour's title sponsor - given that it is a ten-year sponsorship deal and it is the second season under the name. Can't see any differences between this and the changing of the web.com Tour's name over the years.

194.75.161.3 (talk) 09:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

I think that the general feeling is that if there is a suitable name which doesn't include the sponsors name, we prefer that. See eg Category:2018 in golf, Category:2019 in golf. For the Web.com Tour there isn't really a suitable alternative. However, for the Staysure Tour we do have a good alternative: European Senior Tour. See WP:ON for wikipedia-wide guidance: "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title". I have created a redirect so that Staysure Tour redirects to European Senior Tour - this was missing before. Nigej (talk) 10:15, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. Would it be possible to add the Tour's logo to the page? 194.75.161.3 (talk) 12:12, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Certainly would be ok but its not something I know anything about. Not necessarily easy since the system is set up to delete images that breach copyright. Hopefully someone reading this can do it correctly. Nigej (talk) 15:23, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah it's pretty straightforward. I'll add it later. It will only be usable on the main page and not each season's page as that would breach fair use Jopal22 (talk) 16:11, 28 March 2019 (UTC)

TFD notification

Only WP:CFB was notified. I think all relevant sports should participate in this discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 April 4#Athletic program head coaches navboxes.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

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Dutch Harrison

I'm thinking of moving E. J. Harrison (golfer) to Dutch Harrison (which is currently a redirect). Dutch seems more common and easier to find. Just checking to see if anyone objects or has any comments. Nigej (talk) 08:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Template:Infobox golfer

Do we want to change {{Infobox golfer}} so that the order of the men's majors reflects the order for 2019? Currently we have:

| label48     = [[U.S. Open (golf)|U.S. Open]]
| data48      = {{{usopen|}}}
| label49     = [[The Open Championship]]
| data49      = {{{open|}}}
| label50     = [[PGA Championship]]
| data50      = {{{pga|}}}

which would become:

| label48     = [[PGA Championship]]
| data48      = {{{pga|}}}
| label49     = [[U.S. Open (golf)|U.S. Open]]
| data49      = {{{usopen|}}}
| label50     = [[The Open Championship]]
| data50      = {{{open|}}}

See {{Infobox golfer/testcases}}

Obviously this change would affect all instances even those who played their career before the change in order. We could just leave it as it is for a while. Nigej (talk) 20:25, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Treatment of amateurs in 2019 Masters Tournament and similar articles

I'm thinking here of articles like 2019 Masters Tournament. Currently we add the amateur's scores after round 2 and round 4 (and sometimes round 3). The currently style is eg:

Amateurs: Hovland (−1), Ortiz (E), Bling (+3), Kanaya (+3), O'Connell (+4), Rebula (+8)

I'm not sure where this style originated but I don't find it very satisfactory.

• 1 Why only for certain rounds? Which rounds?
• 2 Firstly the use of surname only is unsatisfactory. In many articles we don't use red links and don't have a list of the field, leaving the reader in the dark as to the full name of the player.
• 3 Why italics for those making the cut and not for the rest?
• 4 A more fundamental question is whether we should have a complete rethink of the style. Perhaps a separate section at the end; formatted like the "Past champions in the field" section.

I suppose the issue is how important these details are. Perhaps a "leading amateur" section in the infobox (below the Champion) would suffice. Nigej (talk) 17:47, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

We could have an amateur leaderboard similar to the past champions section. (By the way, I've never understood the reason for the past champions section...) pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 17:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Personally I'd favour replacing showing the final scores of the leaders, past champions, and amateurs, by showing the final scores of all players who entered. Although it is more information I think it is quicker and easier to do as the format it the same as the OWGR page, PGA Tour, European Tour, PGA Tour Media Guide, ESPN, etc so for the most part you can just copy and paste the result (although it is a bit of a faff ensuring the names/flags are consistent with wikipedia articles, which I'm sure we could work out a way to do it quickly). You could then highlight any participant if you liked e.g. leading amateur. I would also favour adding leading amateur to the infobox. I have copied below broadly how I think it should look. Jopal22 (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

That seems like it could work, although I think we should maintain room for round recaps, similar to Golf at the 2016 Summer Olympics – Men's individual. Also, amateurs should be marked with an (a). Of course, changing all of the past major articles would take quite some time. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 19:24, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

I think full leaderboards would be overkill. They would also be difficult to verify for the older majors, particularly those missing the cut. Limiting to top 10 is easy to verify and doesn't make the article excessively long. To the original question (I think the format is what has evolved organically over the years, not the result of any planning.): 1) Second round to show which amateurs made the cut, fourth round to show final placement, third round additions are relatively recent 2) agree that full name should be use 3) italics used to distingush who made the cut from who didn't 4) I don't think the leading amateur is important enough to include in the infobox and a separate table a la past champions is probably also too much. Tewapack (talk) 20:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

How about if we include the leaderboard only for those who made the cut (for majors recent enough to have sufficient information)? If making the cut in a major makes a golfer notable enough to have an article, it seems like it might be worth denoting who made the cut on the tournament article. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 20:33, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

So my thoughts:

• Part of the reason I was suggesting showing all the results was because I find it slightly strange that we outline how all of the participants qualified and not how they actually performed, with the latter seeming more important to me. Plus I have often looked at previous articles, and as an example in the 2019 Masters, see Ian Poulter in 5th after R3, a few shots behind the lead and wondered what happened to him (which you cannot see if you only have a top ten). Also sometimes its nice to pick out big names (e.g. McIlroy) and see how they do.
• In terms of number of rows, we currently have around 20 for past champions, and 10 for each round = 60ish. The format below has 10 for all three early rounds, and 60 for full results, so there wouldn't be that many more rows.
• I can set it up so anyone could update the table, taking about a minute, and ensuring the process is such that mistakes are rare.

Obviously happy to go with the consensus but those are my thoughts. I wouldn't suggest changing past majors until we have done a few going forward (if at all).

Agree with keeping the round recap text. Amateurs are kind of shown below as they have $0 prize money, but it can be made more explicit.

Jopal22 (talk) 14:18, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments, although I don't think we've got any consensus. We need to remember that we are not primarily a stats site; the area we're desperately short on is the referenced text. That's why I'm keen to keep the round by round format with text before the leaderboard. Really the issue about people disappearing from the leaderboard should be covered by the text in the following round eg "Ian Poulter had a terrible round of 80 to drop into a tie for 99th place." I'm also not too keen on the side-by-side tables. Despite what I just said I'm not averse to adding the full final scores - perhaps it could be collapsed if it's too obtrusive. One reason I like the "field" section" is that it links the tournament articles to the biographies.

The one area we seem to agree on is that the past-champions section is unnecessary, especially perhaps for those tournaments where the field is given (generally including a list of those past winners who are playing). Nigej (talk) 08:07, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Agree that wiki is not a stats site, but for me that means not going into detailed stats e.g. driving distances, GIR etc. I don't know any other major event e.g. World Cup's, Wimbledon etc where the full result of the competition is not shown (and we show way more stats on the WGC Match Play than then majors). I like the side by side table as it makes it easier to track the round to round, and I'd prefer the round by round text in a separate section before the results tables. Anyway thats just me. Full disclosure I work in a heavily stats based environment and and used to having to summarise information statistically, so my inclination is to look at the tables first and see the text as ancillary, which may not be typical. I have adjusted the full table below so it shows the top 10, and gives the option to unhide the rest of the result. Thoughts?Jopal22 (talk) 16:55, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

I think including the full results of a major is reasonable. We already do it for the WGC Match Play, Olympics, and FedEx Cup Playoffs. On a side note, at various times I've tried to find full results of a major through the external links on the Wikipedia article and been unsuccessful. So I selfishly would prefer if Wikipedia had the full results, but I know that's not grounds for inclusion. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 19:11, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

So I added the full table with non top ten hidden as default, and I also added a short time line of incidents. I didn't separate out the round summary text into a different section to the leaderboards, as that didn't seem popular here (although I prefer to see each rounds leaderboard together without scrolling). Let me know if you have any feedback or if I've been too WP:BOLD.Jopal22 (talk) 10:42, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I should add that I'm not keen on just listing scores relative to par, particularly at the end of a round. In a stroke-play competition the winner is the one who does it in fewest strokes. Par is irrelevant. The only real use of par is to compare players during the progress of a round, particularly when they've played different number of holes. Having said that I don't mind both: 66 (−6) is ok, but not −6 on its own. Currently our main use of relative-to-par is in the "Hole by hole scorecard progression" sections. I think this is fair since it is much clearer than giving the total scores. Nigej (talk) 10:45, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

So is it agreed that the "Past champions in the field" section is unnecessary? I want to make sure before I delete it from 2019 PGA Championship. pʰeːnuːmuː →‎ pʰiːnyːmyː → ‎ɸinimi → ‎fiɲimi 18:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes from me (for reasons stated above) Jopal22 (talk) 19:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes from me too. Nigej (talk) 19:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes, if we include the info in the final table (like I've just done with the 2019 Masters Tournament). Note that in the U.S. Open and conceivably in the Open Championship, past champions can get into the field from other than the "Past Champions" category. Tewapack (talk) 20:47, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Guys, I know I'm a little late to the conversation, but I believe the past champions category to be an interesting aspect of the Major Championships' page. I believe it to provide, year after year, an interesting evolution of the truly elite winners of the game, an intriguing snapshot of the changing of the guard. I think as well that providing the full leaderboard at the end of the tournament to be an overload, too much clutter. Thanks. [User:PalmerTheGolfer|PalmerTheGolfer]]

Leaderboards

Below is a suggested format for showing the results of major individual golf tournaments

Early rounds

Place Nat Player Round Total Round One T1 Bryson DeChambeau −6 T1 Brooks Koepka −6 3 Phil Mickelson −5 T4 Dustin Johnson −4 T4 Ian Poulter −4 T6 Kiradech Aphibarnrat −3 T6 Justin Harding −3 T6 Kevin Kisner −3 T6 Jon Rahm −3 T6 Adam Scott −3

Place Nat Player Round Total Round Two T1 Jason Day −5 −7 T1 Brooks Koepka −1 −7 T1 Francesco Molinari −5 −7 T1 Louis Oosthuizen −6 −7 T1 Adam Scott −4 −7 T6 Justin Harding −3 −6 T6 Dustin Johnson −2 −6 T6 Xander Schauffele −7 −6 T6 Tiger Woods −4 −6 T10 Ian Poulter −1 −5 T10 Jon Rahm −2 −5

Place Nat Player Round Total Round Three 1 Francesco Molinari −6 −13 T2 Tony Finau −8 −11 T2 Tiger Woods −5 −11 4 Brooks Koepka −3 −10 T5 Ian Poulter −4 −9 T5 Webb Simpson −8 −9 T7 Justin Harding −2 −8 T7 Dustin Johnson −2 −8 T7 Matt Kuchar −4 −8 T7 Louis Oosthuizen −1 −8 T7 Xander Schauffele −2 −8

Final

Champion

Silver Cup Winner (leading amateur)

Top 10

Place	Nat	Player	R1	R2	R3	R4	Agg	To Par	Earnings ($)
1		Tiger Woods	70	68	67	70	275	−13	2,070,000
T2		Dustin Johnson	68	70	70	68	276	−12	858,667
T2		Brooks Koepka	66	71	69	70	276	−12	858,667
T2		Xander Schauffele	73	65	70	68	276	−12	858,667
T5		Webb Simpson	72	71	64	70	277	−11	403,938
T5		Tony Finau	71	70	64	72	277	−11	403,938
T5		Francesco Molinari	70	67	66	74	277	−11	403,938
T5		Jason Day	70	67	73	67	277	−11	403,938
T9		Rickie Fowler	70	71	68	69	278	−10	310,500
T9		Patrick Cantlay	73	73	64	68	278	−10	310,500
T9		Jon Rahm	69	70	71	68	278	−10	310,500

Others

Place	Nat	Player	R1	R2	R3	R4	Agg	To Par	Earnings ($)
T12		Justin Thomas	73	68	69	70	280	−8	225,400
T12		Justin Harding	69	69	70	72	280	−8	225,400
T12		Matt Kuchar	71	69	68	72	280	−8	225,400
T12		Bubba Watson	72	72	67	69	280	−8	225,400
T12		Ian Poulter	68	71	68	73	280	−8	225,400
17		Aaron Wise	75	71	68	67	281	−7	184,000
T18		Phil Mickelson	67	73	70	72	282	−6	161,000
T18		Adam Scott	69	68	72	73	282	−6	161,000
T18		Patton Kizzire	70	70	73	69	282	−6	161,000
T21		Kim Si-woo	72	72	70	69	283	−5	107,956
T21		Jordan Spieth	75	68	69	71	283	−5	107,956
T21		Thorbjørn Olesen	71	71	68	73	283	−5	107,956
T21		Kyle Stanley	72	72	70	69	283	−5	107,956
T21		Kevin Kisner	69	73	72	69	283	−5	107,956
T21		Lucas Bjerregaard	70	72	69	72	283	−5	107,956
T21		Rory McIlroy	73	71	71	68	283	−5	107,956
T21		Matthew Fitzpatrick	78	67	68	70	283	−5	107,956
T29		Bryson DeChambeau	66	75	73	70	284	−4	78,200
T29		Louis Oosthuizen	71	66	71	76	284	−4	78,200
T29		Charley Hoffman	71	71	72	70	284	−4	78,200
T32		Charles Howell III	73	67	76	69	285	−3	68,042
T32		Gary Woodland	70	71	74	70	285	−3	68,042
T32		Hideki Matsuyama	75	70	68	72	285	−3	68,042
T32		Viktor Hovland	72	71	71	71	285	−3
T36		Alvaro Ortiz Becerra	73	71	73	69	286	−2
T36		Patrick Reed	73	70	74	69	286	−2	55,488
T36		Kevin Tway	72	71	70	73	286	−2	55,488
T36		Tommy Fleetwood	71	71	70	74	286	−2	55,488
T36		Jimmy Walker	72	72	72	70	286	−2	55,488
T36		Rafa Cabrera-Bello	73	70	75	68	286	−2	55,488
T36		Henrik Stenson	74	72	67	73	286	−2	55,488
T43		Li Haotong	72	74	73	68	287	−1	44,850
T43		Keegan Bradley	76	68	71	72	287	−1	44,850
T43		Keith Mitchell	72	74	72	69	287	−1	44,850
T46		Corey Conners	70	71	71	76	288	E	37,950
T46		Andrew Landry	72	73	73	70	288	E	37,950
T46		Kevin Na	71	73	73	71	288	E	37,950
T49		Marc Leishman	72	72	70	75	289	+1	32,430
T49		Kiradech Aphibarnrat	69	72	75	73	289	+1	32,430
T51		Eddie Pepperell	74	73	72	71	290	+2	28,693
T51		Cameron Smith	70	74	69	77	290	+2	28,693
T51		Martin Kaymer	73	74	72	71	290	+2	28,693
T51		Trevor Immelman	74	72	75	69	290	+2	28,693
55		Devon Bling	74	73	71	73	291	+3
T56		Tyrrell Hatton	73	73	72	74	292	+4	26,910
T56		Billy Horschel	72	75	74	71	292	+4	26,910
T58		Branden Grace	72	75	72	74	293	+5	26,335
T58		Zach Johnson	74	73	73	73	293	+5	26,335
T58		Takumi Kanaya	73	74	68	78	293	+5
61		Satoshi Kodaira	75	70	73	76	294	+6	25,990
T62		Emiliano Grillo	72	75	73	76	296	+8	25,415
T62		Alex Norén	75	72	75	74	296	+8	25,415
T62		J. B. Holmes	70	72	74	80	296	+8	25,415
T62		Bernhard Langer	71	72	75	78	296	+8	25,415
MC		Sandy Lyle	73	75			148	+4
MC		Justin Rose	75	73			148	+4
MC		Mike Weir	72	76			148	+4
MC		Stewart Cink	76	72			148	+4
MC		Sergio García	73	75			148	+4
MC		Kevin O'Connell	77	71			148	+4
MC		Danny Willett	75	73			148	+4
MC		Fred Couples	78	71			149	+5
MC		Brandt Snedeker	75	74			149	+5
MC		Charl Schwartzel	77	72			149	+5
MC		Adam Long	75	74			149	+5
MC		Shugo Imahira	76	74			150	+6
MC		Larry Mize	77	74			151	+7
MC		Shane Lowry	78	73			151	+7
MC		Jovan Rebula	73	79			152	+8
MC		Matt Wallace	75	77			152	+8
MC		Paul Casey	81	73			154	+10
MC		Michael Kim	76	78			154	+10
MC		Ian Woosnam	80	76			156	+12
MC		Vijay Singh	80	76			156	+12
MC		José María Olazábal	78	79			157	+13
MC		Ángel Cabrera	82	75			157	+13

Jopal22 (talk) 11:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Golf Hall of Fame category deletion request

Doesn't look like anyone has notified the project about Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 1#Category:World Golf Hall of Fame inductees, a request to delete the category listing members of the Golf Hall of Fame. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:02, 6 May 2019 (UTC)