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January 2020
Hello, I'm CatcherStorm. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Ben-Sasson, but you didn't provide a source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation to a reliable source and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. CatcherStorm talk 19:06, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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- We do not add refs on disambig pages.2604:2000:E010:1100:30F3:9E93:17BD:5014 (talk) 19:16, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
User johnrichardhall
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January 2020
Hello, I'm Orville. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to List of Sigma Phi Epsilon brothers have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the help desk. Thanks. Orvilletalk 23:26, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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- Why is that not constructive? That comprises a major part of his notability. 2604:2000:E010:1100:30F3:9E93:17BD:5014 (talk) 23:26, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Please do not add or change content, as you did at List of Fordham University School of Law alumni, without citing a reliable source. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Ifnord (talk) 23:28, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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- I've provided a number of RSs. 2604:2000:E010:1100:30F3:9E93:17BD:5014 (talk) 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hi. The sources are sufficient, but his leading a double life is not the reason he's a notable alumni or resident at the very schools/cities where you've added his double life to the lists. Listing this one particular additional fact about him gives it undue weight in these lists. Orvilletalk 23:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- I've provided a number of RSs. 2604:2000:E010:1100:30F3:9E93:17BD:5014 (talk) 23:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- First you make one complaint. I address it. Sufficiently, you say.
- That is not appropriate. You first complained that you wanted to see RS sources. So ... I already added four RS articles focusing specifically on his double life.
- So now you create another argument. An assertion that his leading a double life is not the reason he is notable.
- That is not appropriate. You first complained that you wanted to see RS sources. So ... I already added four RS articles focusing specifically on his double life.
- Here, obviously, the RSs - as they routinely reflect this double life issue in the years since it broke - view it as a significant part of his notability. And that is what makes a person notable. What they are covered for that satisfies our notability standards. Here, we have GNG coverage of his double life, and it is indeed a major part of his notability. Nobody should be deleting it from notability lists. 2604:2000:E010:1100:30F3:9E93:17BD:5014 (talk) 23:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Vito Fosella
Hi! Per WP:RSUW, I've removed the addition about Vito Fosella leading a double life in the various lists you've added it to. Adding the fact that he led a double life to these lists is extraneous information and gives it undue weight. He's not notable because he led a double life (although it is interesting). The content is in the main article for readers that would like to learn more about him. Orvilletalk 23:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- That is not appropriate. You first complained that you wanted to see RS sources. So ... I already added four RS articles focusing specifically on his double life.
- That is a major part of his notability. It was following it becoming known that his political career ended. This is not undue weight - that is not a subjective test, that an editor can use to hide highly relevant information, but rather one that can be tested objectively -- did RSs widely cover it. Here, obviously, they did. Look not only at the RSs I added as refs. Perform your own google search. And note that since his double life was revealed, nearly every single mention of him in RSs mentions it. One does not get to hide behind IDONTLIKEIT rationales where the RSs broadly cover it.2604:2000:E010:1100:30F3:9E93:17BD:5014 (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Please see my response in the section above. I'm not concerned about the number of sources, but rather the weight given to this one particular fact in the various lists to which it's been added. Orvilletalk 23:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- That is a major part of his notability. It was following it becoming known that his political career ended. This is not undue weight - that is not a subjective test, that an editor can use to hide highly relevant information, but rather one that can be tested objectively -- did RSs widely cover it. Here, obviously, they did. Look not only at the RSs I added as refs. Perform your own google search. And note that since his double life was revealed, nearly every single mention of him in RSs mentions it. One does not get to hide behind IDONTLIKEIT rationales where the RSs broadly cover it.2604:2000:E010:1100:30F3:9E93:17BD:5014 (talk) 23:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- (edit conflict × 2) I agree with Orville's assessment, this is undue. A simple statement describing him as an American politician should suffice as that is his main claim to notability. The additional detail about his "double life" (which I agree is interesting) belongs at his article. Please discuss this on a relevant talk page if you disagree. Aoi (青い) (talk) 23:47, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
- Per above. CatcherStorm talk 23:52, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
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