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"Final" or "primal"?

Does anyone have any information on the post-lockdown episodes now being shown?

On occasions when I have watched the show, I have of course heard the opening blurb many times, including the section quoted in the article as "The rulings are final". Yet I always seemed to hear it as "The rulings are primal". This may seem an odd thing to say, but I took "primal" in this context to mean that the rulings really got down to basics, without a lot of legalistic technicalities or fluff obfuscating things.

Then I read in this article that the quote was "The rulings are final", and this surprised me. While it may make more sense, it just wasn't what I thought I'd heard many times. Perhaps I didn't pay enough attention to it, or perhaps the television I watched the shown on had defective sound, or something. But after reading that it was "final", I paid closer attention thereafter - and, despite my best care to hear properly, I thought it was still "primal" - I could hear the "p" and the "r" at the start of the word quite clearly. A few times it sounded like "final" - but mostly "primal" - which does lead me to wonder whether the slogan actually got changed at some point, so that both versions appear at various times. Or is it possible that the word is said in such a way that, for certain types of loudspeakers or television audio circuits, it tends to sound like "primal"?

I was just wondering if anyone could clarify this. If it can be shown that it really is "primal" at least some of the time (most of the time on the episodes I've seen over a few years), then the article should be changed to reflect this. It is undoubtedly not a really important point - but any point deemed worth mentioning, however unimportant, should at least be correct.

Thanks. M.J.E. (talk) 10:32, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's your hearing that's at fault. The word "primal" there would be completely meaningless; a "decision" being "final" is almost a cliche, and that's what's used. (Try searching for the phrase "rulings are primal"; an amazing zero hits.) --jpgordon::==( o ) 16:45, 19 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your view on this - I guess that settles it, in that case. But there is nothing wrong with the way I've heard it, so that's still a bit mysterious. I *never* mishear "f" as "pr" in any other instances at all, and I did pay special attention to it after reading that it was "final". Perhaps the T.V.'s sound wasn't the best quality. And "primal" would *not* be completely meaningless, in my view - as I said above, I think there is a reasonable way it could be interpreted. M.J.E. (talk) 04:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, the narrator says "the rulings are FINAL." Minecrafter0271 (talk) 04:26, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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