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@Nick Moyes: Thanks, I already am a mentor! ––FormalDude talk 01:34, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Oh, silly me. I was cross-checking against the mentor list before posting , but you slipped through (in a good way, though). Thanks 🙏 Nick Moyes (talk) 09:12, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Signpost

Hey Formal Dude I noticed you signed up for the Signpost thingy for Teahouse host, but you havent added a response to one of the questions. Im pretty sure the article has to be done by either tomorrow or the day after so I would add your response to the questions. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:50, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm not going to be participating though. Probably should've removed my name. ––FormalDude talk 09:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem I’ll be sure to mention you in my last response though where I mention othe TH host. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you for posting on my talk page with helping me out with minor edits. Such kind words in assistance too!! Thank you :)

JamesJ (talk) 08:58, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

@James1221911: No problem, happy to help. Appreciate the kitty! ––FormalDude talk 09:11, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

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It messaged my edit as vandalism when I just said this animal is endangered so don't hunt them down — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenocean11 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

@Greenocean11: You'll be blocked from Wikipedia if you continue editing disruptively. ––FormalDude talk 22:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC)

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Hello. I didn't create this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Damien_Nettles I have been amending and adding to it. It doesn't seem right that the references at the bottom are "repeating themselves" so to speak, if you see what I mean. Am I doing something wrong? Would you mind having a look, please? I'd be very grateful. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrownieFudgeLawyer (talk • contribs) 21:00, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

@BrownieFudgeLawyer:  Fixed. ––FormalDude talk 02:42, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Close

It's been reverted. Is there anything else you need me to do? sl (talk) 10:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@Slashlefty: No, thank you. I've closed the AN thread. ––FormalDude talk 12:45, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude no problem. I apologize if I caused any disruptions by closing that discussion. Ill refrain from doing that in the future. Thanks in advance. sl (talk) 12:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Russ George article & "Pynotic"

Hello! You may or may not remember me from about a month ago; I made a mistaken RfC about the state of the article on Russ George, which had been systematically edited by a single editor over the course of a few months to effectively create a new and very biased article. You quickly reverted all the edits. Well, he's been at it again. I'm really not sure what to do here. I would just revert it, but that would likely lead to an edit war, which I've heard tell is bad; so I don't have much of an idea of what to do here. Apparently you regularly revert vandalized content, so what would you suggest? Thanks from Generalissimo Store (talk) 04:08, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

 Done ––FormalDude talk 04:36, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with my first new article!

Thank you sir, the most formal of all of the dudes, for your help cleaning up references in Draft:Renegade Air, my first new wikipedia article.

I am adding it because in January, I spent like 30,000Ksh (~US$280) helping my girlfriend join me in Kisumu for a funeral using Kenya Airways and Jomo Kenyatta International Airport, when if we'd only known about Renegade, it would have been tons more convenient and probably 20,000Ksh less.

Hopefully this is a start to making a lot of Kenyan pages more accurate.

I'll try and pay closer attention to standards for both constructing refs, and ensuring I have enough. Stay awesome!

NdotoYaKenya (talk) 16:40, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

Happy to help. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! ––FormalDude talk 03:12, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikiauthor37

so not good at pings. Courtesy heads up since you have history with the article topic and in case there's something you'd like to add. Star Mississippi 16:47, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: Good catch, and thanks for the heads up! ––FormalDude talk 09:24, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Draft:The Walking Zombie 2

Sir but how? I have put many independent sources now but earlier there weren't many sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billapartygang123 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@Billapartygang123: Very few of the sources are significant or reliable. ––FormalDude talk 12:10, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

sir, how can I get a consensus for my draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billapartygang123 (talk • contribs)

You can discuss it with the reviewing editor, Liance, or with the community at the WP:Teahouse. ––FormalDude talk 12:12, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

May I copy your userpage notice?

My userpage also doesn't work well on mobiles, so I want to copy the following notice found at the top of your user page:

Will this be a problem? I won't copy it 1:1, but I'll do something similar.

QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 16:26, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Go for it! ––FormalDude talk 16:31, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! QuickQuokka ^{[⁠talk • contribs]} 16:32, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

New parameters for sidebar

I noticed how you were using the template and saw some issues. The image is not working very well because it's width defaults to 80px, which adds whitespace to the bottom (not what the ukrainian flag looks like). To fix this, I added a parameter called |image-param= which allows you to manually change the width or height of the image. According to WP:Extended Image Syntax, you can set the height of the image by setting |image-param= to x80px.

You might not have noticed, but all links in the bio section are lighter than normal links. I originally did this because the default background color is very dark and you couldn't see the links. To combat this, you can set a new parameter, |link-style= to color: unset which will remove the custom color and make the links look a little darker.

I'm thinking I'm going to completely rewrite the template so that it has two modes: one where it can appear like it does in discord, and one that doesn't have so many default values so that will be more customizable for people who want to use the template like yourself. I'll let you know if I end up doing this. Thanks, ― Levi_OP^Talk 14:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @Levi OP, much appreciated! ––FormalDude talk 14:55, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Yahoo request has been posted

FormalDude: I posted a new edit request for a Yahoo update here. The Infobox is outdated and I would like the top sentence to include a link to Yahoo (2017–present). Thoughts? Spencer at Yahoo (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

@Spencer at Yahoo: Responded at the appropriate venue. ––FormalDude talk 22:51, 8 March 2022 (UTC)

Advice

Hi FormalDude I have put many independent sources and reviews of players around the globe. Can you please tell me why you rejected my draft?Billapartygang123 (talk) 08:22, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

@Billapartygang123: the available sources suggest the article is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. ––FormalDude talk 18:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

15 000 edits!

I think it's gone up a little bit now, but the gadget I use to show basic information for users says you have exactly 15 000 edits. Well done for hitting that milestone!

Have a good one, DirkJandeGeer (щи) 11:33, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, @DirkJandeGeer! ––FormalDude talk 18:53, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

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Responded. ––FormalDude talk 02:41, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

simon gerard notability

Hello FormalDude

I have done some additional research to find more citations for Draft:Simon Gerard. I have also improved the article to add more structure and substance to his page. Additionally, as he has been involved in numerous businesses, I believe that he is entitled to his own page, rather than being a subsection on other pages of Wikipedia.

He has been involved in a number of publicly listed Australian Securities Exchange (ASX), he has been mentioned, quoted or researched by numerous reputable and independent organisations, including the Australian Financial Review, news.com.au, Sydney Morning Herald, amongst others.

Renaissance domenic (talk) 10:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

@Renaissance domenic: Thank you, it looks improved. ––FormalDude talk 02:20, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi User:FormalDude, thank you for your comment, are you able to update your review on the Draft:Simon Gerard page so that it can be moved into the mainspace? Renaissance domenic (talk) 00:37, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

As I said on the talk page, I'm going to leave it up to another reviewer. ––FormalDude talk 01:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from Rob4420 on Talk:Kristina Kvien (22:40, 13 March 2022)

Hey I wanted to say I'm a 34 year old man and a very hard worker although I'm not in the military I would love to go to Ukraine and join there military to help them defeat Russia. What can I do to make that happen I'm ready to go. --Rob4420 (talk) 22:40, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Give em' hell, @Rob4420! ––FormalDude talk 22:43, 13 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from Ally721 on Tattoo Fixers (10:32, 14 March 2022)

Hi I’ve got a tattoo on my back I was drunk when I had it done so it was a mistake --Ally721 (talk) 10:32, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

@Ally721: Neat. ––FormalDude talk 01:56, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Closure at Jussie Smollett

You should revert you closure [1] at Talk:Jussie Smollett. If you have concerns about WP:MUGSHOT than voice your concerns in the discussion; don't shut down the discussion. This was a premature and ill-timed closing. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:19, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Iamreallygoodatcheckers: The discussion was going way off track and I believe a new thread needed to be started if there were any possible grounds for inclusion of the mugshot. ––FormalDude talk 03:25, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

This is not the best way of handling a content dispute. If you think a convo is going in the wrong direction, you try and set it straight. I really don't think this one was in the first place. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:38, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

This is a conversation that was directly undermining Wikipedia policy. And now someone who argued "I find it personally interesting" has reverted me. ––FormalDude talk 03:43, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

One editors comment does not undermine the whole thing. The discussion was regarding whether the image is relevant to the content, and in my opinion it is relevant because Smollett has been convicted and this is his mugshot from the conviction. Simple as that. You shouldn't shut it down over an issue that's non-existent. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

@Iamreallygoodatcheckers: Your opinion does not override WP:MUGSHOT. Simple as that. ––FormalDude talk 03:51, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

When I say "my opinion" I'm not saying my personal opinion. I'm giving my opinion on the dispute with regards to Wiki policy/guideline. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 03:55, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Read the policy:

Images of living persons should not be used out of context to present a person in a false or disparaging light. This is particularly important for police booking photographs (mugshots), or situations where the subject did not expect to be photographed. Any police photograph used to imply that the person depicted was charged with or convicted of a specific crime must be sourced to a top-quality reliable source with a widely acknowledged reputation for fact-checking and accuracy that links the relevant image to the specific incident or crime in question.

I'm genuinely confused what you're saying. You interpret the above text as mugshots only needing relevancy determined by Wikipedians in order to be included? ––FormalDude talk 04:00, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

"Images of living persons should not be used out of context to present a person in a false or disparaging light.' is what policy says. The image is not being used "out of context". The mugshot was used in the subsection pertaining to his conviction, which is the very definition of "context". You are reading policy incorrectly. Le Marteau (talk) 07:17, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

Furthermore, you completely misread policy when you say, The mugshot cannot be included without a top-quality reliable source with a widely acknowledged reputation for fact-checking and accuracy that links the relevancy of the image to the specific incident, "Relevancy" simply means it is connected, and the Sheriff linked the image to the crime in question beyond a doubt. The publisher of the mugshot... the Sherriff of Cook County is the source of the relevancy, namely, that the mugshot is connected (i.e. "relevant") to the crime. Le Marteau (talk) 07:34, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

The Sheriff of Cook County is not a top-quality reliable source with a widely acknowledged reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. ––FormalDude talk 09:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)

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Behavior at Jussie Smollett talk

You accused me of potentially civil POV pushing and not getting the point.[2] It's impossible for me to not get the point on an issue that remains to this second unsettled. That's why the discussion is in place. These accusations you made could amount to WP:Casting aspersions. You failed to address your concerns with my conduct with appropriate diffs and you didn't address them in the appropriate forum (my talk/AN). Please strike your comment as it is damaging to my reputation. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:03, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Iamreallygoodatcheckers: I'm happy to elaborate on my comment here if you'd like, but I will not be retracting it. ––FormalDude talk 04:08, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

You didn't address it in the appropriate forum, which would be my talk page. WP:Casting aspersions, which is a decision of Arbcom, says: If accusations must be made, they should be raised, with evidence, at appropriate forums such as the user talk page, WP:COIN, or other appropriate places per WP:COI. and If accusations must be made, they should be raised, with evidence, on the user-talk page of the editor they concern or in the appropriate forums. This is not what you did please strike your comment, and we can address your concerns appropriately. Otherwise, there could be a WP:AN visit. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 04:13, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

As I said, I'm not gonna strike it. I don't believe my comment is casting aspersions. ––FormalDude talk 05:14, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

• I'll ping a couple admins to let them comment on the situation. @TheresNoTime:, @Liz:. I'm doing this out of the less dramatic option of WP:ANI. Chose the admins from the recently active admin page. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 05:37, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

  @Iamreallygoodatcheckers: I've had a quick look at this dispute with the aim of evaluating if FormalDude's comment here could be seen as casting aspersions — I do not believe that it does. I will say that comments like that on an article's talk page are rather pointless, and only serve to inflame the situation. I would suggest FormalDude instead raises this concern at WP:ANI where it can be reviewed and acted on properly. -- TNT (talk • she/her) 05:51, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

  I would suggest AE. This is a BLP and touches on other DS topics as well. SPECIFICO talk 10:30, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@SPECIFICO: Would you like to explain how I violated the arbistration restrictions on a page with no arbitration restrictions? Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Iamreallygoodatcheckers, please know that BLP DS applies to "any edit in any article with biographical content relating to living or recently deceased people or any edit relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles on any page in any namespace". To the others here, AE would not be a good venue if a conduct dispute noticeboard is needed now, as Checkers was not formally aware of BLP DS until just now. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 16:26, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks featherperson. I believe Chex has been notified regarding Gender, American Politics, and other DS areas, but I do not recall when those notices were placed or how that notice requirement is currently enforced. Perhaps the notices need to be refreshed? SPECIFICO talk 16:48, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

featherperson?! I like it. With apologies to FormalDude for hijacking his user talk page: AP is good until this August, Gender is expired, Abortion is expired. I don't know which of those areas IARGAC still works on. Checkers, you may want to use Template:DS/aware to express your formal awareness of DS topic areas you're active in. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 17:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thank you for making those improvements re: the waste disposal site in Utah. Great work! Netherzone (talk) 05:18, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

I may need your help

FormalDude, I'm reaching out to you in view of our past discussions on articles about the LDS Church and its' leaders. I had previously mentioned that the Ulisess Soares article was subject to a deletion discussion and ultimately kept. I'm reaching out to you because some recent comments on the Church Growth blog which indicate that an active effort is now underway to delete the articles about former apostles who are now deceased. John Pack Lambert mentioned some specific articles on that thread that are being targeted, and on what grounds such proposals have been made. Since you've been willing to work with me on figuring out a way to establish notability for the general leaders of the Church, I wanted to see if you'd be able to help weigh in on this matter as someone who is not affiliated with the LDS Church, but who has provided valuable feedback on articles covering leaders and topics related to the Church. If you don't have the availability or time, it's not a problem. If nothing else, I at least wanted to ensure you were advised about this given your familiarity with the problem courtesy of our past discussions on that. --Jgstokes (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jgstokes: Thank you very much for informing me. I do like to stay involved in LDS discussions around the project, and I was not aware of any deletion discussions. ––FormalDude talk 21:22, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

I have had to scale back my Wikipedia participation again in recent days due to two minor procedures I underwent. So when those articles were mentioned on the Church Growth Blog, it was a surprise to me as well. I would think that similar arguments that led to the Soares article being saved would have some bearing on the articles about now-deceased apostles and prophets. While I follow the articles about previous prophets, I've not been directly involved with any editing of or oversight for articles about now-deceased apostles, with a few more recent exceptions. So I've not viewed or weighed in on the discussions myself. And I might have to forgo doing so this time around. I've had a couple of very minor procedures in recent days, so my usual time on Wikipedia caved to a focus on recovery. I thought that, given your administrative knowledge, you'd be in a better position than I would to weigh in on this. At some point, whenever life slows down a bit (which will hopefully be soon) I can recommit to more Wikipedia time, including getting back to drafting the guidelines we've discussed. Things have been a little crazy, but hopefully all of it is necessary to figure out before I get back to anything approaching normal. I'm sure your insights and perspective would be more valuable than mine would on those discussions. Thanks again. --Jgstokes (talk) 21:46, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

@Jgstokes: I weighed in on the Mark E. Petersen AfD–is that the only one, or are there others being discussed as well?

As always, thanks for the kind words (I wouldn't say my perspective is more valuable than yours though! They're at least equal ). I'm glad you're taking time for yourself and hope good health for you. ––FormalDude talk 23:25, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

Concerns

Dear FormalDude,

According to this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_cuisine, since last year, there were many reverts done (no matter how many attempts of removal of misinformation were done). It will be great you have a quick look over it.

Best Regards,

Chutinonp Chutinonp (talk) 03:20, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

@Chutinonp: I do see what you're talking about. It seems multiple editors have removed reliably sourced content without reason. You wouldn't happen to be the owner of User:Julius d.Aracon as well, would you? Regardless, removing reliably sourced content from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary or on the talk page almost always results in being reverted. I suggest you explain what's wrong with the content on the article's talk page. ––FormalDude talk 03:35, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your quick response. It's okay. Don't worry (you can contact me via this sole account, which have been using for 14 years now). Perhaps, it's about time. Chutinonp (talk) 03:47, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Heavens to Murgatroyd!

Buster Keaton lacking pearls to clutch, kindly protects the eyes of Eddie Cline, 1920

Goodness gracious, cover your eyes! Your essay WP:PEARLCLUTCHING is so shocking that a disclaimer is required so that no one is offended!  ;-) Netherzone (talk) 15:57, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Apparently you're right– it's already made it to MfD. ––FormalDude talk 21:53, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	For great work on AfDs, both on the keep and delete end of things! gidonb (talk) 18:07, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much, Gidonb! ––FormalDude talk 21:56, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Most welcome. Well deserved! gidonb (talk) 22:03, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, but...

You've more than likely noticed I nominated your essay for deletion. Please don't be offended. Nothing personal. I just don't believe that essay would serve a useful function on the site, especially not considering its tone. Hope you understand. Homeostasis07 (talk/contributions) 20:34, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Seems kind of personal considering you started it off by accusing me of conduct violations. ––FormalDude talk 21:58, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Homeostasis07: You say that FormalDude "used the content of this essay to cast aspersions about another user" — please provide evidence of this or strike the comment, as you are casting aspersions. You should not be using MfD to raise concerns about an editor, and I recommend you take this to WP:ANI if you feel there is a problem. -- TNT (talk • she/her) 22:05, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Question from Farid Afridi (20:39, 18 March 2022)

সিলেটের বিভাগীয় পতাকা ২০২২ সালের ১৮ মার্চ ডিজাইন করেন farid afridi --Farid Afridi (talk) 20:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)