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Requested move 19 January 2021

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Teddy Boy Locsin → Teodoro Locsín Sr. – Ngrams suggest this is the common name. Added Sr. to disambiguate from his son Teodoro Locsin Jr.. Showiecz (talk) 03:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the 21st century, if you're referring someone as "Teddy Boy Locsin", you're referring to the son, the current Secretary of Foreign Affairs. We're not talking about the son though. On the Google Ngrams you shared, the usage of "Teddy Boy Locsin" was its on its peak by 1989. This was the time when the son was the president's speechwriter. By this time the father was 75 and I don't think the increase in mentions can be attributed to the father, although he was still publishing articles up to the 1990s. On this article by F. Sionil Jose, he calls the son "Teddy Boy" and the father "Teddy Man" (sounds probably right), but doesn't add the "Sr." appendix to the father's name. Again, on the Ngrams graph you shared, "Teodoro Locsin" increases at the height of the father's career in the 1960s-1970s when he was at the Philippines Free Press, then drops at the 1970s when it closed. "Teddy Boy" was zero; it only increased when the son was the president's speechwriter by the 1980s, at the same time "Teodoro Locsin" increased exponentially. I can deduce that the "Teodoro Locsin" in the 1980s, when it was on its peak, was referring to the son, at the same time "Teddy Boy Locsin" was also at its peak. So we can conclude that the father was at the very least not referred to as "Teddy Boy" during his heyday.
Now, if the father is appended with "Sr." The father died in 2000. This, this, this and this adds "Sr." This doesn't. (That last one calls President Osmena as "Sr." but he certainly is not referred to as such, at least not that much.) The son himself called his father, in the third person, as "Sr." in this tweet. In the father's Free Press articles, his byline was always "Teodoro M. Locsin" (never with the "Sr." appendix, even in the 1990s). This article about the father calls him by his preferred byline in the title, but refers to him as "Teddy Locsin Sr." in the article. 21st century usage looks like calls him "Sr." now so:
- Support Teddy Boy Locsin → Teodoro Locsin Sr.
- Teddy Boy Locsin redirects to Teodoro Locsin Jr.
- Teodoro M. Locsin redirects to Teodoro Locsin Sr.
- Teodoro Locsin is turned into a dab page for both father and son. Howard the Duck (talk) 22:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Teddy Boy Locsin should redirect to Teodoro Locsin since that nickname applies to both of them. Showiecz (talk) 10:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - As explained above, based on the sources I provided above, looks like "Teddy Boy" only refers to the son. Unless presented with references otherwise, that is. "Teddy Locsin" may refer to both. Howard the Duck (talk) 14:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Howard the Duck. The nickname appears to be applicable to both persons. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 12:29, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]