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I've begun copyediting Bollywood in response to a {{copy edit}} tag. It's very long, and a good target for a split would be History of Indian cinema (currently a redirect to Cinema of India). Thoughts? All the best, Miniapolis 15:52, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Assistance required

Hello. How does one reassess articles on Wikipedia after expanding them? I worked on this article and don't think it deserves the current stub classification. Help? Thanks, DeluxeVegan (talk) 16:15, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

I assessed it at B class. Bollyjeff | talk 22:07, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Reliable sources question

Hello! I see a source being used in articles that is not on either the list of sources to use or avoid from our main page. Thoughts on this source? I'm not feeling strongly about it being reliable; see Wikipedia:Reliable_sources_checklist.

1. https://www.behindwoods.com/

I remember being told some time ago that its not good. Bollyjeff | talk 19:37, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

It should be used only for content like exclusive interviews. --Kailash29792 (talk) 03:24, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of Osianama on the reliable sources noticeboard

There is a discussion on the reliability of Osianama (osianama.com) on the reliable sources noticeboard. If you're interested, please participate at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Kalpana Mohan Page. — Newslinger talk 08:53, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Devalokam (film)

Can someone please improve this article and protect it from being deleted?--Joseph 💬 18:15, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

@991joseph: I've removed the PROD template, which you could have done. You just can't remove AFD templates or Speedy Deletion templates. PROD nominatinos are for uncontroversial deletions that are not likely to be contested. Since you are contesting the deletion, PROD is not the correct nomination process. Can you find more sources that discuss the film? It seems likely that it would be important since it is Mammootty's first film. That would be the best way to strengthen the article. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:41, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. The problem is as it's a dropped film, not much sources are available on the internet. Official websites of Mammootty and MT have mentioned the film. Cinematographer Ramachandra Babu has shared some memoirs and images in his blog. And the award-winning director P. N. Menon has shared his memoirs in autobiography Nirakoottukal. I've added all the above sources in the article. Recently I saw a YouTube video released by Monsoon Media which talks about the film. As per the video, Mammootty has shared his experiences while working for Devalokam in his memoir Chamayangal [ISBN: 9788122611182]. I believe that's a reliable source too.--Joseph 💬 07:01, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Gowry Lekshmi

It is unfortunate that this article is nominated for deletion. All sources listed are independent sources, except for a YouTube link for her song. She composed a film song at age 13 and is the youngest female music director in India and has composed or sang in multiple notable films. The article might need more fleshing out, but the subject is notable. 137.97.129.109 (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Reliable Source Question: scooptimes.com

Hi,

I have come across an edit removing a source that I had inserted in Sura (film) with the comment: "Scoop times unreliable source removed". As a passing editor on the several Indian films, mainly to revert changes that run contrary to the sources quoted, I would like to know if Scoop Times is unreliable in general, or there are specific areas of Indian films that it can be quoted upon?

The same source is cited in a couple of other articles, one of which, Maanbumigu Maanavan, is PP-protected based on the edits/reverts made over the box office takings, as displayed in the source. The second article is Coimbatore Mappillai.

Also if scooptimes.com cannot be counted on for comments on box office showing, which other sites can I look at so that the necessary edits can be made? robertsky (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

@Robertsky: So sorry for the late delay, I just saw this. I've never heard of Scooptimes.com and certainly wouldn't use them for any controversial content, like box office data, which is often fudged, especially by fringe entertainment portals and blogs and whatnot. At WP:ICTF#Guidelines on sources we have some quality sources listed. You might also look at WP:ICTFFAQ, which has a more comprehensive list of sites. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:15, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: thanks for the clarification. Then with respect to this and the FAQ you have linked, should I remove the mention of box office data in such articles for Indian movies if I come across them instead? robertsky (talk) 09:29, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Peer Review for Raja Harishchandra

I have started peer review for India's first feature film Raja Harishchandra here. I am planning to take it to FAC in the near future. However, I dont have any previous experience with FACs so thought of putting PR first. I would appreciate if you can put your comments. Any constructive criticism is appreciated. - Vivvt (Talk) 17:43, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Box Office India budgets

Hi all, does anybody share my suspicion that Box Office India includes print and advertising costs in their budget figures? I feel like their budgets are often much higher than other estimates. For instance at Kesari (film), we have a range of 80 crore to 126 crore, the the lower figure coming from Business Today and the higher figure coming from BOI. 46 crore is a pretty significant gap, and I'm trying to figure out why. Anybody got any opinions? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:12, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

To put it simply, whenever there are conflicting budgets provided by different sources for the same film, I say how much each source estimates the budget to be. --Kailash29792 (talk) 16:39, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

As would be the correct approach. But I'm starting to think that if TOI is reporting production budget + P&A, that would make it incompatible with all other sources, not only in India, but worldwide. I don't have any proof of this, but it is a question that's come to mind. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:55, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Yup, it's true. A Google search threw up Box Office India's website, "[Budget] is the approx cost of the making and releasing of the film. Production budget plus P&A (prints & advertising)". DeluxeVegan (talk) 19:34, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Wow, awesome find, DeluxeVegan, thanks for looking for it. This is a big bummer. It would seem to me that BOI is no longer useful as a source for budget, since budget across the known universe means "production budget". How could they be so shortsighted? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:47, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

A simple note stating that the amount denotes production + marketing budget should suffice, if we must use the BOI source. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 20:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

That's a suitable workaround if a proper production budget source can't be found. I hope that we all agree that (like with Kesari) in a world where there is a BOI gross+P/A source and one that presumably doesn't contain P/A costs, we would not use BOI in that event. I shudder to think of how many articles have these inflated budgets. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:45, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Character maps of remakes

Such templates shouldn't even exist, right? Yet there is Template:Manichitrathazhu character map (nominated for deletion),Template:Nuvvostanante Nenoddantana character map, Template:Kireedam character map, Template:Bodyguard character map and Template:Gunga Jumna character map. Wouldn't it be better if they simply served as navboxes mentioning only the films and their languages, not the characters? Cyphoidbomb and Krimuk2.0, please share your thoughts. --Kailash29792 (talk) 04:44, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: Rough response: Though I'm not a big fan of needless tables in film articles, I don't have a huge problem with these tables, so long as they focus on remakes, not dubs. But I'm open to other opinions and will decide accordingly. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:59, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, like Kailash, I don't really see the point in these character maps either. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 06:53, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Is a template like this one acceptable? It is a navbox, and lists only the films and their languages, not their characters. If it is acceptable, we can convert these character maps into navboxes. Kailash29792 (talk) 07:03, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, this works. Krimuk2.0 (talk) 07:08, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

No objection. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 12:31, 29 July 2019 (UTC)