Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Circle (Finnish band)

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The result was keep. $Salvio giuliano$ 11:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Circle (Finnish band)

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Appears to lack notability outside of their collaborative album Henki. Redirect there. The stuff sourced to The Quietus, and possibly the AllMusic Blog, might be worth merging. Unsure of the reliability of the rest. Redirect or delete all their albums as well, most of which source either no sources or only primary/unreliable ones.

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Albums and songs, and Finland. QuietHere (talk) 09:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all: Not so fast. It is never enough just to look at sources already in the article. The Circle article on Finnish Wikipedia has two more sources not in the English WP article, namely a piece by YLE.fi ("The best rock band in the world? A guide to the world of cult band Circle") and a piece by Rumba.fi (""When I was a child, I had a book that showed massive earthmoving cranes. This album would be suitable as its soundtrack" - in the assessment of Circle's Terminal"). YLE is a major national broadcaster. Rumba is a major Finnish rock music magazine and website. Together with the sources in Circle (Finnish band), these are sufficient to establish notability through coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources.

On the individual album articles, we have the choice of merging them here or keeping them. We should I think look at each of them individually, and not just at whether their English WP pages are cited, as the Finnish WP pages certainly have some sources. For example, Infektio (EN) is uncited, but Infektio (albumi) (FI) is cited to reviews at Desibeli.net and at Nuorgam. As another example, Earthworm (album) is reviewed (in English) by Pitchfork. The page also has links to Pitchfork's reviews for Circle's albums Henki, Tower, Forest, and Raunio. There must be many more album reviews out there, in both English and Finnish as I've only had a brief look (if longer than nom, it seems, however). So, at the least, a mass unconsidered deletion-and-redirection looks inappropriate. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:02, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict)Keep. Apart from the Quietus feature already cited in the article, there's a decent enough biography at Allmusic. Plenty of coverage of the Dawson collab exists, so I think there's enough to pass the bar at WP:BAND. (Side note: Allmusic has quiet a few album reviews too [1], so it might pay to take care with those as well). Thanks :) — sparklism ^hey! 12:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all (as the nomination stands now). This one is just too much per Wikipedia:TRAINWRECK, and per WP:NEXIST every single one of the articles nominated could possibly be improved instead of being condemned uniformly due to the weaknesses of one. The band has a bland pre-Internet name that is tough to search for, but targeted searches like <"Jussi Lehtisalo" + "The Circle"> lead to some useful results, including the additional sources suggested by the voters above. Some of the albums could be redirected to the band's page, and that can be done as a standard editing process one-by-one, though some of the albums have pro reviews too. Step back and edit multiple articles with finesse instead of smashing the whole pile with a sledgehammer. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:29, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Definitely a notable band with enough coverage to meet WP:GNG. A couple of articles in Helsingin Sanomat, for example; someone who has better access to both the newspaper and the language should be able to add them. They are regularely reviewed in Swedish media as well, not just in their home country, like a few examples from Dagens Nyheter or sv:Fria Tidningen: Dagens Nyheter 2011-11-29, Fria Tidningen 2010-09-25, Dagens Nyheter 2016-04-16, Fria Tidningen 2011-11-26 (seems to be unavailable on the website, but the entire review can be found through sv:Mediearkivet) and so on. /Julle (talk) 15:33, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the band per the sources identified above; procedural keep the albums as too large a group to evaluate in one AfD. Nominating all of the albums because you have concerns about most is not the way to go. -Ljleppan (talk) 10:06, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Chiswick Chap has made a case for keeping. It is also far to difficult to assess such a long list and we are in danger of throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Lightburst (talk) 04:29, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This does seem to be a case of WP:SNOW so if anyone would care to close this AfD now ... Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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