Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Northern Virginia

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The result was keep. Shimeru (talk) 07:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

University of Northern Virginia

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Non-accredited, for-profit institution, zero sources that actually reference the school itself. 2 says you, says two 19:34, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The article says UNV is accredited by the "American University Accreditation Council." This organization is not listed in List of recognized accreditation associations of higher learning, but neither is it listed in List of unrecognized accreditation associations of higher learning. On its web page, the AUAC lists as accredited UNV and 6 other schools in the US, along with numerous schools worldwide. Of the US schools accredited by AUAC, Aakers Business College has nothing in its article claiming it is "unaccredited." The other 5 have no articles. The issue of supposed accreditation by AUAC needs to be clarified. References are needed clarifying whether credits earned at UNV are transferrable to other US colleges accredited by the standard accrediting associations, and whether degrees granted by UNV are recognized by businesses, licensing organizations, and accredited graduate schools. Edison (talk) 20:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

According to this, they are not currently accredited by any recognized accreditation organization. They had been accredited by the Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools, until it was pulled in 2008. 2 says you, says two 22:21, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 23:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Virginia-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. If they were accredited, they were prima facie notable, and notability is not temporary. Also note that the school's website currently asserts: "The University of Northern Virginia is certified to operate by the State Council of Higher Education for Virginia (SCHEV). UNVA is accredited by the American University Accreditation Council (AUAC). UNVA is authorized by the United States Government to enroll non-immigrant alien students."[1] If there is contradictory information, that can and should be mentioned in the article, and the school's accreditation difficulties (discussed in this Inside Higher Ed article, for example) should certainly be discussed. But notability seems established.--Arxiloxos (talk) 01:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Following up on the foregoing comment, I went through the recent history of this article and found that a detailed, sourced discussion of the school's accreditation issues (which I believe was originally added by Orlady on 29 August 2009) was deleted yesterday, without an edit summary, by an IP editor. I've restored this and added another third party source.--Arxiloxos (talk) 04:34, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Being certified to offer degrees by a state licensing agency is not the same thing as accreditation. Their asserted AUAC accreditation is not recognized by the Department of Education.2 says you, says two 12:10, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I seriously doubt that this article would have been nominated for deletion if the nominator had looked at this version that I edited on May 24, before a series of anon IPs (probably affiliated with UVA) deleted most (or all) of the third-party sourced content and added a bunch of UVA promotional material (these edits were already discussed by Arxiloxos). I agree that the version that was nominated for deletion was garbage, but that could have been cured by reverting the recent vandalism that had created that garbage; articles don't need to be brought to AfD in order to cure vandalism. As for the theory that only accredited educational institutions should be documented by Wikipedia articles, I might support that theory if Wikipedia were a directory of educational institutions, but it's not. --Orlady (talk) 13:24, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - People need to know what a lousy school this is. Btw, this is now the top third-party source of this school: Former Accountant for University of Northern Virginia Pleads Guilty 128.231.77.192 (talk) 14:37, 27 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as a degree awarding body. Sources available that meet WP:ORG. TerriersFan (talk) 21:14, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - it is not our function to use our discretion to determine which accrediation bureaus are valid and which are not... we are not the gatekeepers of institutional validity. The question here is: 'is this subject notable or not'? This institution apparently operates as a degree-conferring body, and as such receives similar treatment in local and specialized media outlets. The fact that there has been controversy surrounding its accreditation and accounting practices only lends more toward the assumption that it is of sufficient interest to the typical reader who lands on its page. The version of the article from Orlady's mentioned edit would never have been nominated for deletion... always check the article history. Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 02:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.