Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William Hartwell

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. No need to drag this out further. Cheers for a constructive discussion. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:16, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

William Hartwell

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This association footballer biography article has zero references to establish notability. After searching (see article Talk for sources searched), unable to find in depth reliable sources. Did find many people with same name born before and after this person. Article was created on 12 December 2008. JoeNMLC (talk) 04:56, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn by nominator - article now has sufficient content to establish notability. Thank you for improving with two reliable sources. JoeNMLC (talk) 20:27, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and England. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:13, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per [1], and having faith for WP:OFFLINESOURCES. WP:BEFORE may have been somewhat done by nominator, but I am not convinced he should be deleted considering who he played for. Govvy (talk) 11:31, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as his main coverage in Newspapers.com was three articles in April 1904 about when he first transferred from Kettering to Manchester United (like this article in Manchester Evening News). And actually, the website mentioned above is not so encouraging (4 appearances over 2 seasons, although per ENFA it seems he played for 3 more years after leaving Man United). Cielquiparle (talk) 12:05, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - @GiantSnowman: Per Govvy. Defineotly has offline sources and the source Cielquiparle mentioned above described Hartwell as "regarded as a very capable player". Article needs imporvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 20:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Where are the sources showing significant coverage? Cielquiparle has reviewed the offline sources and suggested deletion. Giant Snowman 21:46, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I definitely have sources at home that will be able to flesh out this article, I’m just in America for a week so I won’t be able to go over them until at least the first week of December. We’re not on a deadline. – Pee Jay 17:00, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest this is re-listed again to allow PeeJay time to present these sources. Please ping me when you do so I can re-consider my !vote. Giant Snowman 10:33, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:24, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One last time.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:06, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PeeJay: Can you provide offline sources? Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:07, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I only got back from the US on Saturday and been suffering with jet lag since. The best source I have is "The United Alphabet" by Garth Dykes, which fills in Hartwell's biography a fair bit. I'll add to the article when I can. – Pee Jay 13:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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