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Original - Meadow Pipit photographed in Northumberland in April 2008
Edited version:Scaled, noise reduced, sharpened version
Edit 2 NR on full size by Papa Lima Whiskey (talk)
Reason
Quite a nice shot of a sometimes elusive bird. At Peer Review, Noodle snacks created a much better (I think) edited version of this photo, which is also shown here. The original was taken on a very, very dull day (the English summer has been awful) against a background of limestone quarry cliffs - hence the high ISO, as otherwise would have been too dark/blurry).
Articles this image appears in
Meadow Pipit
Creator
Seahamlass
  • Support as nominator -- Seahamlass 23:32, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not a bad shot, but it's quite noisy even in the edited version and doesn't have the level of detail of most FP bird shots.--ragesoss (talk) 06:09, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Strong Oppose edit 2, which has severe artifacts.--ragesoss (talk) 18:47, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • There is no such thing as lossless noise removal. If you invent it, you can be a rich man. If you tell me what exactly to you is an artefact in the image, maybe I can help you. Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 21:04, 22 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • The entire edit 2 image looks posterized in little blotches; look at the bird's foot on the branch at full resolution, for example. I simply don't think any amount of editing is going to make this one FP material.--ragesoss (talk) 19:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
          • Okay, let me know what you think of the previous version [1] - better or worse? The fact remains that if this image is scaled down to the minimum required, it's becomes perfectly acceptable in terms of noise. I can't help feeling that you're punishing Seahamlass for uploading an image of high resolution, something that we usually encourage. (Not just you, other people also don't seem to take size into account in what I perceive to be the right way...) Papa Lima Whiskey (talk) 20:06, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
            • It's about the same. I disagree that the scaled-down version is FP quality (and I agree with the principle that we shouldn't punish images for being uploaded in large sizes that reveal flaws, if they have the detail and quality at appropriate sizes). Compare the level of detail in the feathers and claws in this FP candidate, which has strong support and rightly so. It's only 1024 pixels, but those pixels show way more detail than even the full-size version of this. For this image, even the 1024 thumbnail is really noisy to the point of lost detail, and as you point out, any attempt to smooth out the noise means even more lost detail. It was taken on a Canon 40D at 800 ISO and the background is brighter than the subject, with auto exposure and no exposure bias (which probably means the subject was underexposed and brightened afterwards); considering all that, the shot came out great. --ragesoss (talk) 02:14, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted . --John254 02:14, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]