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The confusing case of Ed and Eddie

We have articles on two Edward J. Doyles who played in the NFL around the same time:

• Eddie Doyle (American football) - played for Frankford/Pottsville in 1924-1925.
• Ed Doyle (American football) - played for Buffalo 1927
  

Both are shown with the same death date in Morocco. Are these the same person? Or are there two? Adding to the confusion, there is a third Edward J. Doyle (here) who also attended Canisius around the same time as #2 Cbl62 (talk) 17:26, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• Per Beanie, PFR (here) shows second Doyle as dying much later in Canada. So this is probably just a case of mistaken identity on #2. Cbl62 (talk) 17:32, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
• According to PFR, Doyle # 2 is not even an Edward. He's an Elmer. What a mess. Cbl62 (talk) 17:36, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cbl62: PFR has an "Ed Doyle" that I believe matches up with individual #2 in your list.

• Both listed as born July 5, 1905
• Both listed as born in Buffalo, NY
• Both listed as having played for the 1927 Buffalo Bisons
• Same college (Canisius) listed
• Both offensive linemen

Ed Doyle's full name is apparently Elmer John Doyle as well. Apparears Ed Doyle may have also went by Bud Doyle, based on this roster the NFL has on their site, which includes a link to a Bud Doyle who matches up with the PFR individual. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:37, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cbl62: Found a relevent article on Ed Doyle here. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:41, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Josh, the article has been fixed now. Cbl62 (talk) 16:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Hey man im josh and Cbl62: His name seems to be 'Elmer' and PFR seems to be the only source with 'Ed' – should the article be moved to Bud Doyle (his nickname) or Elmer Doyle? BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Copying this discussion to the article talk page. Let's discuss further there. Cbl62 (talk) 16:49, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Al Shook

I searched for SIGCOV regarding the above but came up empty. Shook played two games at guard for Columbus in 1921. The article has been listed at the biography cleanup campaign for a year but it remains a stub. I have redirected it to 1921 Columbus Panhandles season. If someone can find SIGCOV and add it to the article, feel free to return it to main space. Pinging User:WikiOriginal-9 as the article creator. Cbl62 (talk) 20:49, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• Same basic situation for Ed Sparr (2 games, 1926), now redirected to 1926 Racine Tornadoes season. Cbl62 (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Football biography cleanup

It will be a year next week since we started the above campaign. In that time, we've improved roughly 200 football player biographies, which is great. There are a lot more left that could use your TLC. If you have some time this summer, take a look and see what can be done.Cbl62 (talk) 22:34, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

NFL recaps in schedule tables

As seen here doesn't this violate WP:External Links?-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 06:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I've seen those types of links thousands of times in soccer articles. Such as 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season (promoted to FA in February 2024) and 2022 FIFA World Cup (promoted to GA in March 2024). Hey man im josh (talk) 13:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Monte Kiffin

Can anyone here help to clean up and add references to Monte Kiffin, so it can get posted at ITN/RD? Thanks, Natg 19 (talk) 16:25, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Also, Jacoby Jones needs cleanup as well, for posting at ITN/RD. Natg 19 (talk) 16:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Natg 19: I did a significant amount on the article this past little bit, including 20 references and cleaning up the formatting of the rest. The only thing I see is expanding his Houston Texans section. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:37, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ainer Cleve

NFL player from 1920s. Cbl62 (talk) 00:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Team broadcast personnel in team staff templates

I wanted to know if there was a consensus against adding notable team broadcast personnel, such as play-by-play and analysts, to team staff templates? They are usually not listed anywhere else outside of the team's main article (if that) and in many cases are filled with former players who are clearly more notable than most that fill other minor roles such as strength and conditioning coaches and front office assistants. ~ Dissident93 ^(talk) 00:42, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

• I would oppose. Readers are much more likely to look for information on the play-by-play and color commentator(s) on an existing section like Washington Commanders#Broadcasting instead of Washington Commanders#Staff. If not all 32 NFL team main articles have a broadcasting or TV/radio section, they should have. Any play-by-play announcer, analyst, sideline reporter, studio host, etc., may be employed by the station itself instead of directly by the team. In addition, readers are more likely to look for the announcers next to where the TV/radio stations are listed on other articles. See the infoboxes on 2024 Baltimore Orioles season and 2024 Atlanta Braves season where they list both the stations and the announcers (2024 Washington Nationals season is one of the few 2024 MLB season articles that do not currently do this)--we could easily modify the infobox on 2024 Washington Commanders season to also read something like radio=[[WBIG-FM]] (Big 100):<br />([[Bram Weinstein]] and [[London Fletcher]]) or even list the full broadcast team like on those MLB pages. Template:Washington Commanders staff is currently not used on any page that does not include the team's station. Zzyzx11 (talk) 10:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)