User talk:DivermanAU

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Again, welcome! — billinghurst sDrewth 10:09, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Doing nice work

Gday. You are doing some excellent proofreading on "The Dictionary of Australasian Biography". As a tip, with sections, I am not sure whether you are using the ## section name ## or the pair of <section begin="" /><section end="" /> … anyway, it would be lovely if you could insert the section names within double quote " ". It is a good practice as without the quotes it just sees the first word as the section name (it terminates on a space), so becomes problematic wherever a surname repeats on a page; whereas with the quotes, it takes the whole component as the tag name. Thanks. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:52, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback and tips;, I tried the ## section name ## method on one page and it didn't seem to work out, so more recently I've been using section begin/end. I'll remember to use " " for the ## method if I try it again. Diverman (talk) 21:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

You are doing a fantastic job, and you've got the transclusions spot on. As feedback about my original formatting for the work, I am still uncertain about the div formatting. Some of the smaller look RS when spread, and some of the larger don't need to be squashed. That said it looks good on my handheld devices.

If you are into hacking your js configuration pages, I have some good javascript shortcuts that help to take some of the tedium from editing, eg. section tags and transclusion. Some in the old toolbar, some in a sidebar. Call if you want assistance.

With wikilinks, we link 0) all works mentioned; and preferentially 1) articles within a work and especially with q.v.-type links, and with this work we use {{DAB lkpl}} (ie. link plain), 2) to Author pages where they exist or may exist, 3) to enWP. We have tended to underlink other components of works. If you are at enWP, then there we have {{cite Australasia}} that links back to the individual pieces of the work. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:28, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for the feedback, I'm keen to try out the javascript shortcuts and would appreciate your guidance on how to install and use them.
I've used my first {{DAB lkpl}} link just recently, I'll try to keep using them where relevant. I've also used the {{cite Australasia}} link at WP, it's a good way to link those articles back to a primary source.Diverman (talk) 02:47, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I should have noted that I am a bit of a dinosaur and 1) using the older style toolbar Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and turning off the beta features as per Wikisource:Tools and scripts/More editing buttons; 2) sidebar regex tool Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and you would need to modify the preferences to use these features. As an admin, I am able to edit your Special:MyPage/common.js file and can load some of these instances if that is helpful to you. — billinghurst sDrewth 11:34, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I have moved forward (if I understand your statements) and put in place the regex text components, and you will need to turn on your regex gadget. To see and use these components, when you edit you will see grey clickable text on the left had side of the edit pane, beneath the sidebar. Some are designed solely for certain namespace.

If this has worked, and you are ready for toolbar buttons, let me know. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:58, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Not sure how to turn on regex gadget, sorry. I'll need instructions, I'm not familiar with the gadgets. I didn't see any grey editable text yet.

As an aside, I have written a script (in AutoIt) to auto-generate the individual's entries in Australasian. I start with a CSV file that has the person's name and djvu page numbers. So when I proofread pages, I paste the data in Excel, then do a little massaging, save the CSV file and pass that as a parameter to the script. Then it auto-generates the text (one per entry) that transcludes that person's info. Then I paste that into Wikisource. Diverman (talk) 07:44, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets check the box for the text "Add a sidebar menu of user-defined regex tools, with a dynamic form for instant one-use regex (documentation)." and save it. This turns the tool on. — billinghurst sDrewth 13:28, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

RunningHeader Script "rh"

I've been using the "clean up" script when editing pages - it's very handy, thanks! (Just got to watch for valid hyphenated words split across lines like "Agent-General" where the hyphen vanishes.)

I haven't been able to get the {{rh}} script to work - it doesn't appear to do anything. Is there a technique for making it work? I've just been using the RunningHeader tempate manually. Diverman (talk) 11:15, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

I would generally do {{hyphenated word start|Agent|Agent-General}} and {{hyphenated word end|General|Agent-General}}
For {{RunningHeader}}, you have a choice of three parameters {{RunningHeader|||}} which are $1 = left, $2 = center, or $3 = right. Alternatively you can use named parameters left=left text, right = right text, and center =center text — billinghurst sDrewth 15:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Woohoo! Congratulations

Fantastic job on the completion of The Dictionary of Australasian Biography. I think that you deserve the task of now editing this to Template:New texts. Again congrats. — billinghurst sDrewth 03:15, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

You need to add the {{new texts/item}} template to Template:New texts rather than to the work. Cheers, Beeswaxcandle (talk) 07:00, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for that Beeswaxcandle, I wasn't sure where it should go and now fixed it up. Diverman (talk) 11:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations to you and Billinghurst on completing this work. It looks like it was a huge project which I'm sure you happy to see the back of. Thanks. Moondyne (talk) 09:44, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Moondyne, and thanks to Billinghurst for starting the project. Now I'm going to be adding info from the DAB to Wikipedia where appropriate for a while to come! Diverman (talk) 11:14, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh gee, and here I had in mind Strzelecki's Index:Physical Description of New South Wales and Van Diemen's Land.djvu :-))) — billinghurst sDrewth 14:30, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

{{DAB link}} is available for the fuller citations. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikisource User Group

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New Proposal Notification - Replacement of common main-space header template

Announcing the listing of a new formal proposal recently added to the Scriptorium community-discussion page, Proposals section, titled:

• Switch header template foundation from table-based to division-based

The proposal entails the replacement of the current Header template familiar to most with a structurally redesigned new Header template. Replacement is a needed first step in series of steps needed to properly address the long time deficiencies behind several issues as well as enhance our mobile device presence.

There should be no significant operational or visual differences between the existing and proposed Header templates under normal usage (i.e. Desktop view). The change is entirely structural -- moving away from the existing HTML all Table make-up to an all Div[ision] based one.

Please examine the testcases where the current template is compared to the proposed replacement. Don't forget to also check Mobile Mode from the testcases page -- which is where the differences between current header template & proposed header template will be hard to miss.

For those who are concerned over the possible impact replacement might have on specific works, you can test the replacement on your own by entering edit mode, substituting the header tag {{header with {{header/sandbox and then previewing the work with the change in place. Saving the page with the change in place should not be needed but if you opt to save the page instead of just previewing it, please remember to revert the change soon after your done inspecting the results.

Your questions or comments are welcomed. At the same time I personally urge participants to support this proposed change. -- George Orwell III (talk) 02:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

EB1911 updates

Thanks for the proofreading efforts in EB1911 page space. EB1911 needs a lot more attention and there aren't enough editors! However, you may be setting the rest of us a high bar with the typographical changes. In case you didn't see it, I re-opened that discussion at Wikisource talk:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica. DavidBrooks (talk) 19:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Added: I see you have been at this for a long time - longer than me. I apologize for not realizing that. Still, my comments are based on discussions with PBS and Bob Burkhart, and I understand they are well plugged-in to the consensus discussions. DavidBrooks (talk) 22:35, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

That's fine — I was just basing my work on that of others before me e.g. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:EB1911_-_Volume_01.djvu/901 used “curly quotes” in 2011. I'd done previous work on the DNB, they didn't use "straight quotes" in their text then. One of the comments on the WikiProject page you mentioned was “We are aiming to reproduce the text as printed” (2006) — is that still the case? But happy to conform with consensus views. Diverman (talk) 22:52, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I believe the consensus is more subtle now; it's more like "be faithful to the content but think like a contemporary printer". There are IMO already too many Talk pages to track in this project (not to mention Scriptorium where I dare not tread), but the most recent discussion is in Wikisource talk:WikiProject 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Style Manual, near the end of page. When I say "discussion", I mean I asked some questions and some of them were answered. And WS:MOS is the master consensus. I was happy with curly apostrophes (they are really easy to enter using the Win8 onscreen keyboard) but MOS seems to trend against them. My current rules are: no extraneous space markup, straight apos but curly quotes, polytonic for Greek. Feel free to enter the discussion. And this reminds me I intended to expand the images help text. DavidBrooks (talk) 03:40, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

hi, thanks for the work on EB1911 Page:EB1911 - Volume 04.djvu/701. volume 4 has articles already proofread in article space, and i’m copy pasting them over onto page space with a transclusion. volumes 14-28 need a lot of love. Slowking4♡Farmbrough's revenge 15:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Contributor initials

Looking at your update to Page:EB1911 - Volume 04.djvu/113, you may not be aware of Template:EB1911 footer initials. In this case: {{EB1911 footer initials|Edmond Warre|E. Wa}}. That helps with consistent formatting. There's still a bug that I hope some HTML wizard can fix: it does leave a fairly large vertical margin, but if you include it on the same line as a Small Print section, the latter's line spacing can be broken. Also, someone started producing per-contributor templates (see Category:EB1911 contributor templates), but I think the community voted against continuing with them, and in any case they have ended up with redundant parentheses (I fixed a few). DavidBrooks (talk) 16:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the tip. I only became aware of the footer initials template recently. I added it to my User:Diverman page — where I have a few templates/tips for myself — shortly before your note. I'll make use of it.

For me, the best tip I read was one recently was to use the EB1911 text from Project Gutenberg (I right-click and choose "View Page Source") for use in the Wikisource EB1911 pages. I recorded a couple of macros in Notepad++ to automate the conversion of the HTML tags for: ’ ” <i>italic words</i> etc. into: ' ” ''italic words''. A little more formatting and you have a proofed page! Diverman (talk) 20:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed

Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Diverman. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Diverman~enwikisource that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours,
Keegan Peterzell
Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation

23:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)