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2 (INTERVIEW OF JOEL GREENBERG, #EI-32-0087, 6/23/22)
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4 (The following may contain unintelligible or misunderstood
5 words due to the recording quality. The audio was poor and
6 broken up, and the parties continually talked over each
7 other drowning out many words, and voices were very garbled
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10 TC = INSPECTOR TROY COPE
11 LM = SA SUPERVISOR LOUIS NEGRET
12 SS = CHIEF ASA STACEY SALMONS
13 JG = JOEL GREENBERG
14 FS = FRITZ SCHELLER, ESQ.
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16 TC: Okay. The date is Thursday, June 23rd, 2022; the
17 time is approximately 1039 hours. My name's
18 Inspector Troy Cope with the Florida Department of
19 Law Enforcement, Office of Executive Investigations,
20 Public Corruptions Unit.
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22 This is in reference to case number EI-32-0087.
23 We're currently here at the Orange County Jail in
24 the F Wing in the visitation area. Um, and for the
25 record, I want to introduce everybody before we go
26 further so I'm going to turn it over to you, Louis.
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28 LM: Special Agent Supervisor Louis Negret with the
29 Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Office of
30 Executive Investigations.
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32 SS: Chief Assistant State Attorney Stacey Salmons with
33 the Seminole County State Attorney's Office, 18th
34 Judicial Circuit.
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36 FS: Uh, Fritz Scheller. I'm Joel Greenberg's defense
37 attorney.
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39 TC: Okay. And -- and Mr. Greenberg, could I get you to
40 state and spell your name?
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42 FS: Take your mask off.
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44 JG: Joel Greenberg, J-O-E-L, G-R-E-E-N-B-E-R-G.
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46 TC: And what's your date of birth?
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48 JG: February 4th, 1985.
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50 TC: Okay. And for the record, are you here speaking to
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3 JG: I am.
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5 TC: Do you understand that FDLE is conducting a criminal
6 investigation regarding, uh, the Senate District 9
7 election and campaign finance violations?
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9 JG: Yes.
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11 TC: Okay. With that I'm going to turn it over to Stacey
12 for the preamble. And what I'm going to do is move
13 the recorder and just give it a second 'cause it
14 kind of cuts out.
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16 SS: Mr. Greenberg, as I said, my name is Stacey Salmons.
17 I'm an assistant state attorney. Pursuant to
18 Florida State Statute and case law, what we are
19 conducting here today is called a State Attorney
20 investigative interview. In a minute I'm going to
21 place you under oath.
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23 When an assistant state attorney puts an individual
24 under oath, what you're doing is technically
25 testifying before me, which means that this becomes
26 an official proceeding for purposes of the perjury
27 statute. If you lie to a prosecutor under oath in
28 this type of environment, even though it's somewhat
29 relaxed -- we're conducting an interview, and it's
30 with regard to a material matter; you could be
31 charged with a third-degree felony of perjury. Do
32 you understand that?
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34 JG: I do.
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36 SS: I say that not because I think you're going to lie
37 to me, but because I want you to understand that
38 although this is a somewhat relaxed environment by
39 way of the interview, what you are doing is
40 tantamount to testifying in court before a judge.
41 Do you understand that?
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43 JG: I do.
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45 SS: So it becomes very critical that you tell us the
46 truth at all stages of the interview in response to
47 any questions that I ask, any questions that the
48 inspectors ask or any questions even that your
49 attorney asks in the context of this. Do you
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2 JG: I do.
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4 SS: Um, I have had this conversation with your attorney
5 telephonically. I want to make sure I put it on the
6 record with you. Since this is a voluntary
7 interview that you are giving us as it relates to
8 this investigation, we are making no promises. We
9 are giving you no assurances as it relates to any
10 type of implications for any pending sentence or
11 consequence that you may have in your federal case
12 in the U.S. Middle District. Do you understand
13 that?
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15 JG: I do.
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17 SS: Okay. In a moment I'm going to place you under
18 oath. The oath that you take to me is the same type
19 of oath that you would take before a judge or a
20 clerk of the court in open court. Do you have any
21 questions before I do that?
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23 JG: I don't.
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25 SS: Inspectors, anything to add?
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27 TC: No, ma'am.
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29 SS: Mr. Scheller, anything to add?
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31 FS: No, thank you.
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33 SS: Very good. If you would please, sir, raise your
34 right hand. And for purposes of the record I've
35 confirmed your identity because I know what you look
36 like, sir, when you've taken your mask down. Do you
37 solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you're
38 about to give is the truth, the whole truth and
39 nothing but the truth so help you God?
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41 JG: I do.
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43 SS: Very good.
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45 TC: Okay. I'm going to move the recorder here so it's
46 between us and -- there we go. Okay. What -- what
47 I want to do, just, um -- can you tell me -- and --
48 and -- what you know about the arrest that we
49 alluded to with the campaign financing with Senate
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5 TC: So would you say it's more than acquaintance; they
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9 JG: Close friends, yeah.
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11 TC: Close friends. Okay.
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13 JG: Yeah.
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15 TC: Do you know who Benjamin Paris is?
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17 JG: I do.
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19 TC: Can you please describe how you became acquainted
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22 JG: I met Ben Paris in 2017 when he, um, became -- was
23 elected either mayor or commissioner of Longwood. I
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27 government so we both kind of knew each other
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4 TC: -- okay. And the last individual related to -- to
5 our case was Jestine Iannotti. Do you have any --
6 do you know who she is?
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8 JG: No.
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10 TC: All right. Have you ever seen her before?
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12 JG: No.
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14 TC: Have you saw pictures or anything?
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16 JG: (No audible response).
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18 TC: Okay. Had you ever heard of her name, uh, ever come
19 up?
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21 JG: No.
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23 TC: Okay. And again, I know this is --
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25 JG: I don't believe so. I don't believe I've met her.
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27 TC: Oh, sure. Okay. And then I know another name
28 that's commonly associated, obviously because of the
29 candidates that were in Senate District 9, do you
30 know current State Senator Jason Brodeur?
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32 JG: Yes.
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34 TC: How do you know him? What's your relationship?
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36 JG: I met Jason at -- during the 2016 campaign season is
37 when I initially met Jason. You bump into people
38 who were running for office and -- and who hold
39 office in the Republican circle in Seminole County,
40 and initially I met him there.
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45 TC: Uh, would it be safe to say that Jason Brodeur is
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2 JG: Yes. Very close.
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4 TC: Okay. All right. And I'm -- for right now I want
5 to stay pretty specific to -- to our case and -- and
6 -- and going from there. So in 2020 there was a
7 primary and general election, and you were running
8 at some point to also continue your term as a tax
9 collector; is that correct?
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11 JG: Yes.
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13 TC: Okay. So at any time did you, um, discuss
14 campaigning with Eric Foglesong?
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16 JG: When you say campaigning?
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18 TC: In general. Like you said, you know, he's a
19 political operative.
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21 JG: Yeah.
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23 TC: Were you party to any discussions that talked about
24 Eric Foglesong being involved in Seminole County
25 elections?
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27 JG: Yes. I want to -- yes. Yes, I was. Um, to the
28 extent that he was involved, wasn't exactly sure.
29 But the conversations that we would have wouldn't
30 just be a one-time conversation. Any time we were
31 at the back porch over at house
32 having drinks or whatever, I mean, we would -- we
33 would -- we would shoot the shit over all sorts of
34 stuff. Um, stuff that he's done in previous
35 elections and stuff that, you know, we'd be working
36 on for current elections. And some of it I would
37 pay attention and -- and retain information, some of
38 it I wouldn't. But, yeah, so on and off about just
39 the overall campaign season and what's going on.
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41 TC: Okay. Um --
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43 JG: In 2018 we -- we were up against each other.
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45 TC: Okay.
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47 JG: He ran the -- the sheriff's race down here.
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2 TC: Okay. And so specifically, um, as we hone in
3 with -- with Mr. Foglesong, do you recall
4 discussions that you were party to or that you had
5 with him regarding Jason Brodeur's campaign?
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7 JG: Not specific conversation, no. And, um, he was
8 present at house when the topic would be
9 brought up of one of the strategies used was
10 throwing in a third-party candidate.
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12 TC: Okay.
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14 JG: And I remember talking to about it and
15 asking him -- and this would have been either late
16 2019 or early 2020 -- about Jason's race and what
17 they were going to do for it.
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20 TC: Okay.
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24 TC: Did he expand on why -- what -- what he was having
25 handled?
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27 JG: No.
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29 TC: Did -- and was -- was this Dorworth saying this to
30 you or Jason Brodeur saying it to you?
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34 TC: Okay.
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36 JG: Brodeur was there, uh, present in the conversation,
37 just like he'd be sitting around this table. Yeah.
38 And Ben Paris was there.
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40 TC: Okay.
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42 JG: Ben Paris was there very frequently.
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16 JG: The people -- people present at the table, Jason and
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21 TC: And were there any other discussions for any other
22 races about running third-party candidates?
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24 JG: Mine.
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26 TC: And what -- what did that discussion entail? Now --
27 and would it be during the same time that this "we"
28 comment, that, "We have it handled," or is this --
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30 JG: I was -- was -- I was -- I'd planned to do the same
31 thing. I did eventually have a third-party
32 candidate get in. It was a -- a female. Their
33 strategy was -- and this goes back to the
34 conversation in 2000 -- late 2019 at the Reagan Day
35 dinner where it was myself, Bob Cortez, um -- what
36 was her name? The lady running against Val Demings
37 last time.
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39 TC: Was --
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41 JG: Francois.
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45 JG: Vennia Francois.
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10 TC: All right. You just mentioned Frank Artiles.
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12 JG: Yeah.
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14 TC: Can you expand on that? 'Cause that may be of
15 interest to other investigators or it could be
16 connected. We -- we don't know yet.
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18 JG: My -- okay. My humble opinion, it's absolutely
19 connected. These guys are, for the most part,
20 extremely organized with what they do. They're very
21 intelligent. And they operate as a little -- little
22 Mafia type. I mean, you know the guys. So, yeah,
23 it's absolutely connected. But anyway, um, so the
24 conversation in 2019 with -- in front of Francois
25 and Bob Cortez focused on -- I don't know if he had
26 too much to drink, but he's just overly saying what
27 -- what he was gonna do.
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30 corroborate what I'm saying. And meetings at
31 house, we'd be hanging out, just shooting
32 the shit, having drinks or whatever. I mean, we --
33 we always were talking political strategies, so it's
34 hard for me -- had I known, like, I was going to
35 need to retain all that stuff, I would have taken
36 notes. But it's -- it was just -- it was something
37 a lot of times we would just talk about.
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39 TC: Okay. So what was --
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41 LM: The -- the question was about Artiles.
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43 JG: Oh, Artiles? Again, I mean, they could have been
44 having the conversation directly in front of me
45 about what they were going to do and who they were
46 going to use. And I just had --
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3 LM: Answer the question.
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5 JG: What was specifically the question?
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7 TC: Okay. So let -- let's start it this way. How often
8 was Artiles there? A few times? A couple? Or are
9 we talking, uh, multiple times a month or --
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11 JG: Over -- over a four-year period, three-year period,
12 I probably saw Frank up there 20 times.
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14 TC: Okay.
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16 JG: And --
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18 TC: And is he friends with
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20 JG: Yes. And this was, uh -- was mainly more so after
21 he left the U.S. Senate. I mean, U.S. -- I'm sorry,
22 the Florida Senate. He resigned. Yeah. He was up
23 there more often than that.
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25 TC: Was he present, um -- again with that, "We got it
26 taken care of," comment, was he there that night?
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28 JG: He could -- he could have been. And I think it was
29 during the day that we had that --
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31 TC: Okay.
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33 JG: -- during the -- it was -- it was getting dark. Put
34 it that way. Um, he could have been. I mean, it
35 was people coming in and out of his house all the
36 time.
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38 TC: Okay. Do you have any firsthand knowledge of Frank
39 Artiles' involvement in the Miami Senate District
40 races? Do you remember any discussions that you
41 were a party to?
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43 JG: I want to say that I heard them -- I heard and
44 Frank. The -- the guys in general, um, talking
45 about using Frank in some sort of fashion like that.
46 But specifically, like, I -- I can't --
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48 TC: Okay. Were you aware if Frank Artiles assisted Eric
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4 TC: -- firsthand information?
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6 JG: No. Um, not that I remember. Again, I -- I
7 remember names being thrown about. I don't know the
8 context they were used in. Um, a Grow PAC that's
9 used. A Grow PAC that's used, I remember hearing
10 that for something that's used for Wilton Simpson, I
11 believe. And then also was used in the Iannotti,
12 who --
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14 TC: Well, the --
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16 JG: -- the same name or same PAC?
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18 TC: So Iannotti was not part of any PACs.
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20 JG: I thought there was money that came from a PAC that
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23 TC: Okay. So there was -- are -- are -- well, let me
24 start it this way. Are you aware of money moving
25 from PACs to assist these third-party candidates?
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27 JG: No.
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29 TC: Okay.
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31 JG: No. But I could speculate.
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40 TC: Okay. So -- so your -- what you're -- the one thing
41 you are sure with -- with Brodeur is that he had
42 first-hand knowledge that the plan was to run a
43 third-party candidate in his race?
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45 JG: Absolutely.
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47 TC: Okay. So if he's saying to the media, which again,
48 is not under oath or anything, that he --
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3 again, I'm paraphrasing. I'm not quoting directly
4 from there so I don't want to put words in his
5 mouth. But if he's saying he was not involved,
6 you're saying that's not true?
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8 JG: That is absolutely not true. I mean, he's the type
9 of person that knows exactly what's going on.
10 Exactly what's going on. They're not going to leave
11 it to chance. I mean, they're running a
12 multi- million dollar operation with his campaign
13 and raising 10, $15 million.
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15 You don't leave some -- something like that to
16 chance. And they won by, you know, a very, very
17 thin margin. And those things just don't happen by
18 chance.
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20 LM: Are you aware of any instance where it was actually
21 discussed that you can remember that he was present
22 and his involvement in it?
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24 JG: No. No. He was -- no, not specific like, Hey,
25 we're going to do this at this day and this person
26 will be used. It was more put together based upon a
27 series of -- of meetings and -- and occurrences that
28 I was present of them discussing strategies. 'Cause
29 I'd be discussing my own strategy. I would throw in
30 some of my own ideas.
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33 TC: Okay. So let me try to narrow down a time frame.
34 Um, in 2020, qualifying began, I think, around June
35 -- the week of June 12th through, you know -- June
36 12th, 14th, in that area of 2020. So let's talk about
37 prior to mid June.
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39 JG: Uh-huh.
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41 TC: Can you approximate or -- how many meetings were at
42 -- or get-togethers. Let's not call them meetings
43 necessarily, if you guys were partying or whatever.
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45 JG: Yeah.
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47 TC: Just get-togethers in which , Brodeur, Ben
48 Paris were there together discussing strategy.
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4 on. But he seemed to have a heavy stock of them.
5 Um, so there was some substance involved a lot of
6 times, and it would be with alcohol or -- or
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9 FS: Go back to the -- want him to repeat the question?
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11 JG: Well, sure. Repeat the question.
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13 TC: Sure. The -- I'm -- I'm interested in how many
14 times that , Jason Brodeur, Ben Paris,
15 Foglesong, were together with you discussing
16 strategy, at or anywhere else.
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18 SS: Prior to June 2020.
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20 JG: I was present at? Whether it was me walking in
21 on -- on them already shooting the shit and -- at
22 least a dozen times.
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24 TC: Okay.
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26 JG: Yeah. Whether it's at -- up at Liam Fitzpatrick's
27 or at house. I mean, yeah. It was -- it
28 was always -- conversation's always politics.
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30 TC: Okay.
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34 TC: Before June of 2020?
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36 JG: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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38 TC: Um, how often?
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40 JG: At least a dozen times.
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10 JG: Direct involvement that I'm aware of. No, not that
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23 TC: Okay. Um, so who -- who would be able to
24 corroborate these discussions? A list of names who
25 could corroborate these -- about third-party
26 candidates. And really for us, specifically Senate
27 District 9 race. Who are the best people that could
28 corroborate that these discussions between Brodeur,
29 Ben Paris, Eric Foglesong took place?
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33 TC: Um, any other people who were at these
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40 LM: Take your time. Just think about it.
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42 TC: Were there any other friends or anybody that --
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8 JG: Just Richard Anderson.
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10 SS: Was Gacy [phonetic] a relation to Chris Anderson?
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12 JG: No, no, no.
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14 LM: Who is he?
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16 JG: Richard Anderson was, uh -- he worked for the City
17 of Apopka for a number of years. He was Nicole
18 Guillet's ex-boyfriend and looks like Colonel
19 Sanders. He's involved in that -- that DUI a couple
20 years ago, Richard Anderson. You know who I'm
21 talking about?
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23 LM: No.
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25 JG: Um, goodness.
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27 LM: Colonel Sanders? Was it --
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29 JG: He looks like Colonel Sanders. He was involved in a
30 bad DUI a couple years ago. He got off. Frank --
31 Frank -- his lawyer was John Morgan and Frank -- his
32 names -- I haven't used them in two years. Any --
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34 SS: Frank --
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36 JG: Who's the lawyer? He used -- used to be the, um,
37 OIA. He was one of my lawyers. He was the chairman
38 of GOAA.
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40 LM: Chairman of who?
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42 JG: Kruppenbacher.
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44 TC: Kruppenbacher.
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46 LM: Oh, thank you. Sorry. I don't want --
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2 JG: -- attorney, yeah. And they got him off with some
3 legal theory of, you know, he wasn't there
4 necessarily at the scene of the crash. But Richard
5 Anderson is -- is -- was -- is -- was involved with
6 the conversation also. And her -- she -- he was
7 dating Nicole Guillet at the time. They'd been
8 dating for --
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10 TC: I didn't catch that name.
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12 JG: Nicole Guillet for a number of time -- number of
13 years. They'd been -- been dating. Nicole was the
14 manager. His -- his county manager.
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16 FS: You gotta speak up a little bit.
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18 TC: Which county?
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20 JG: Seminole.
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22 TC: Seminole? Okay.
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24 JG: Um, maybe talk to -- yeah. Talk to -- I cannot
25 believe I can't remember these people's names.
26 These are people I would talk to on a weekly basis.
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29 LM: Take your time.
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31 TC: Were there any, uh, friends, girlfriends, other
32 acquaintances?
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34 JG: Alex Stetzer [phonetic].
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36 TC: Okay.
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38 JG: Talk to Alex.
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40 TC: Stetzer?
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42 FS: Setzer.
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44 JG: Stetzer. Setzer.
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46 TC: Setzer?
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2 JG: Yeah. Yeah. These are people who would be also in
3 and out of his house and involved in the political
4 scene up there.
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6 TC: Okay.
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8 JG: Who I can recall being there at least some of --
9 would have had some knowledge of what was going on
10 if you ask them. It may be contextual, sort of what
11 I'm able to provide, but they can -- they can help
12 corroborate some of this stuff.
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14 TC: Okay. Um, Ben Paris. Let's kind of focus on him.
15 Was he -- and he -- he's friends with
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18 JG: Yeah.
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20 TC: I -- I would imagine being that he was kind of the
21 second in charge over at the Seminole Chamber.
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23 JG: He got that job specifically from Brodeur.
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25 TC: For -- because they're friends or what?
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42 TC: All right. Would he have been present about the
43 third-party candidates?
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45 JG: I don't know.
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47 TC: Okay. Do you recall specifics of what Ben Paris --
48 in talking about running third-party candidates, is
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2 JG: Specifics about Ben Paris getting it accomplished?
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5 TC: Okay. But he was present with Brodeur?
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7 JG: Yeah. He was kind of quiet. But, uh, yeah. He was
8 definitely there. I -- I don't remember them
9 specifically saying what he was going to do.
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11 TC: Were you aware of Seminole County candidates that
12 Eric Foglesong was assisting their campaign? Did --
13 do you remember any discussions about that?
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15 JG: In 2020?
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17 TC: Yes.
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19 JG: No.
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21 TC: Okay. Were you -- did you have any knowledge of,
22 uh, Mr. Foglesong assisting Matt Morgan and Ben
23 Paris with their campaign?
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25 JG: I don't recall specifically. I do recall him being
26 present. I don't recall. Not specifically, no.
27 But -- no, not --
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29 TC: Okay.
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31 JG: -- not specifically, no.
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33 TC: All right. So let me get closer to the day range of
34 as qualifying's going on, campaign donations are
35 coming in. So we're talking specifically mid June
36 of 2020. Were you ever party to any conversations,
37 be it talking to the person, digital conversations,
38 e-mails, text messages, anything, that talked about
39 securing donations for Jestine Iannotti?
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41 JG: No, no. I didn't even know her name until Fritz and
42 I were talking. I think this was -- yeah, this was
43 before the indictments came. I didn't even know
44 what her name was. I remember saying to Fritz, I
45 said, "They probably used a female with a
46 Spanish-sounding name." That's what -- that's what
47 their strategy called for. So, no, I didn't -- I
48 didn't know anything about her. And I didn't hear
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3 TC: Okay. Um, and maybe afterwards did you ever become
4 party to information that Ben Paris assisted with a
5 donation for Jestine Iannotti?
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7 JG: No. No. I -- I didn't -- I didn't have any
8 knowledge of who the person was going to be, if they
9 were going to use her third-party candidate.
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11 TC: Okay.
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13 JG: No.
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15 TC: Did you have any knowledge of Eric Foglesong, um,
16 securing funds for a donation to Jestine Iannotti
17 for the campaign contributions?
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23 TC: All right. Stick with that, with the qualifying
24 fee.
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26 JG: Yeah.
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28 TC: 'Cause that's the important part of getting somebody
29 on the ballot is the qualifying fee.
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31 JG: Yeah.
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33 TC: Do you recall discussions, be it June, be it prior
34 to June of 2020, about securing contributions or
35 money for qualifying fees for third-party
36 candidates?
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38 JG: For Senate --
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40 TC: Senate District 9 or any -- any discussion about
41 securing qualifying fees, where the money would be
42 coming from.
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44 JG: It -- well, yeah. I -- I had assumed -- actually,
45 no. It was -- it was the county commission race.
46 No.
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48 FS: Just tell them about any -- any -- or he's asking
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15 TC: Are you aware of anything similar to what you did
16 that occurred with Senate District 9 or with Frank
17 Artiles in South Florida or any other candidates in
18 the local Central Florida area with this group,
19 with --
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21 LM: Any other candidate -- well, let's stick with these.
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23 JG: I -- I -- no, I didn't have a conversation where
24 somebody solicited one way to me what they were
25 going to do. Just what I had done, "Oh, that's
26 great. You know, I should do something similar."
27 Yeah. My asking questions about how to justify the
28 money and that was that. But no, not specifically.
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37 TC: In 2020.
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20 happened with Ben Paris but --
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22 SS: Well, are -- understanding it's a rumor that you
23 heard --
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25 JG: Yeah.
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27 SS: What did you hear?
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29 JG: My wife told me that, uh, at SEC, at the Seminole
30 County Republican Executive Committee meeting, she
31 was told that Ben Paris got $25,000 cash from
32 . Um, to run. So that's --
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34 FS: Just tell them everything you know.
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36 JG: That's it. That's --
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46 TC: That's the point. What's -- what was the
47 conversation to get him in the door with him? Or
48 would anyone else, Hey, bringing you in. This is
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37 JG: Correct. I had even -- I had even -- I was not
38 terribly thrilled with the job as tax collector. It
39 was really boring, and as you could tell I got bored
40 and did some things that normally I wouldn't have
41 done. But, uh, I wanted to run for county
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2 doing some legal work for the office. We didn't
3 have him on very long. When I got indicted a lot of
4 those -- most of those contracts were all cut so he
5 -- he, um --
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10 would have happened when there were people that
11 would have gone forward through the election process
12 and maybe won. But --
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14 LM: Is that a conversation again you had with
15 Sabatini --
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17 JG: Yes. --
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19 LM: -- for taking employment? How'd that go?
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21 JG: I don't remember the specifics. Um, a lot of these
22 conversations would happen up at Liam's, you know,
23 drinking beer and stuff. But it was the
24 understanding that if somebody was coming on to do
25 work, they were going to be overpaid, and if
26 anything was needed, they would -- they would
27 remember that they're being paid too much to do a
28 job that they could be paid a lot less. But I don't
29 remember the exact words.
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11 JG: Yeah. Um, but -- so the election time -- let's see
12 here.
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18 TC: Were those vocal discussions, or did any of this
19 actually happen on -- through a group text or
20 electronically, that there's a -- there's a record
21 of it somewhere?
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23 JG: No.
24
25 TC: Okay. 'Cause my understanding -- and talking to
26 other people, other investigators and other things,
27 deals in cash.
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29 JG: Yeah.
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31 TC: And cash and only cash.
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33 JG: Yeah. Yeah. And he needs cash that he's short of,
34 so here's -- he used to would go -- he didn't have a
35 lot at his house. Jim Stelling kept a lot of cash
36 on hand, and he would go to Jim Stelling and ask Jim
37 for the cash, take that cash, use it for whatever
38 purpose he needed, whether it's females, drugs, fill
39 in the blank. Jim --
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41 LM: Who's Jim --
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43 JG: -- Stelling was, um -- he -- well, Republican
44 bigwig. Used to be the -- the chairman of the
45 Republican party in Seminole County. Well beyond
46 his back nine, but, um, yeah, would get cash
47 from -- from Jim. This is the way he would also
48 hide from his wife but then he paid Jim back later.
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2 on contract as employees on a vendor contract basis
3 for Tax Collector's Office that were postured to be
4 given money, as you've said, to do work, to be
5 overpaid with the understanding that there would be
6 money paid to them that they would then put into
7 their own, um, campaigns moving forward.
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9 JG: Yeah.
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16 SS: Do you recall -- and I'm asking you questions I
17 already know the answer to, but I want to know if
18 you have a recollection of it.
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17 SS: And he lost to whom?
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21 SS: Okay.
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23 JG: Which was sort of a surprise, but, um, I wasn't
24 involved with his campaign. Probably would have won
25 if I was. But -- and then Ben Paris ran
26 simultaneously against Lee Constantine.
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28 SS: And Ben Paris --
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30 JG:
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33 SS: And Ben Paris was not an employee of the Tax
34 Collector's Office, but rather was an employee of
35 the Seminole County Chamber of Commerce?
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37 JG: Correct.
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39 SS: And was that position that Paris had with the
40 Seminole County Chamber of Commerce facilitated by
41 Dorworth, do you know?
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43 JG: And -- and Brodeur, yes.
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45 SS: Understanding that Brodeur is the president of that
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4 Paris in some sort of fashion and I didn't really
5 know Ben.
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7 FS: You're talking -- slow down a little bit. You're
8 talking (unintelligible).
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10 JG: They had -- they had approached me about hiring Ben
11 in some sort of fashion. Even possibly having been
12 -- take over as tax collector if I didn't want to
13 run. And I didn't know Ben, and I -- I didn't -- I
14 couldn't find a spot for him. And then it was
15 immediately after I turned him down they announced
16 that they had a spot for him at the -- the, uh,
17 Seminole County Chamber of Commerce. There was a
18 press release that went out immediately after.
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20 SS: And Ben Paris was also put up, as you've said, to
21 run for Seminole County Commission?
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23 JG: Correct.
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25 SS:
26 and Ben Paris -- was that -- was that race in
27 2020, as well?
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29 JG: Yes.
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31 SS: So all these conversations that are taking place at
32 house about installing third-party
33 candidates, engaging in these various practices with
34 the election cycle, that's all at the same time that
35 running for office and Paris is running for
36 office with a potential direct benefit to ;
37 is that correct?
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39 JG: Absolutely.
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41 SS: Why would Jim Stelling give cash?
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43 JG: Jim Stelling and have a relationship
44 that's akin to like a father and son.
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46 SS: Who else at the Tax Collector's Office -- you talked
47 a little bit about Sabatini, understanding who he is
48 in Florida politics. What benefit would
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3 JG: Sure. So Sabatini and other -- other, um, state
4 legislatures [sic] were given a lot of campaign
5 donations from
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16 SS: Brodeur.
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18 JG: -- not Brodeur.
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20 TC: Pizzarola [phonetic]?
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22 JG: Pirozzolo, yes.
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24 TC: Pirozzolo, I'm sorry. However you say that.
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26 SS: Dr. -- Dr. Pirozzolo --
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28 JG: Yes, Dr. Pirozzolo.
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30 SS: -- you said?
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32 JG: And Randall Hunt on that board. Um, specifically to
33 steer the contract for the -- from the Attorney's
34 Office over to Tara.
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36 FS: Tara.
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38 SS: Tedrow.
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40 JG: Tedrow, yeah, who he was having an affair with. Um,
41 and a number of other things.
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46 Buddy Dyer on there as requirements was -- was, you
47 know, astronomical, the amount of money that went
48 through the GOAA. But something blew up there.
49 They just -- they didn't end up getting it. But
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14 JG: Yeah. Something like that, but I -- when you sit in
15 a cell for 23 hours a day your mind kind of goes to
16 mush. But whatever that is that prohibits
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25 and all that, how the laws are just completely
26 shaped to benefit themselves. So that's where
27 Sabatini came in. I don't know what, but I'm sure
28 if you look you'll see a direct line of, you know,
29 contributions to Sabatini's House races and some of
30 the legislation that he may have passed or helped
31 sponsor, fill in the blank.
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33 SS: All right. Two more series of questions, then I'll
34 turn it back over. My apologies. Anybody else on
35 staff, on contract, receiving any type of financial
36 benefit as an employee or contractor with the Tax
37 Collector's Office, other than
38 Sabatini, that -- that had this kind of arrangement
39 set up where they were getting padded and inflated
40 contract employment knowing that it was for this
41 greater good?
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45 SS: Okay.
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3 JG: And I -- there -- there's gotta be a --
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5 FS: Do you mind asking that questions again if it's just
6 towards Dorworth or in general? Because --
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8 SS: In general.
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47 SS: Scott Sturgill is currently running for Congress?
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3 JG: I -- I -- I don't -- I don't really have too much on
4 Scott. I know Scott. I like Scott.
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6 SS: Is Scott involved in any of this?
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8 JG: Not that I know of, no. Scott didn't really
9 associate with this group of people.
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11 SS: So the last category, as I said -- I said there were
12 two. This is the second of the two.
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14 LM: Uh-huh.
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16 SS: You mentioned GOAA, the Greater Orlando Aviation
17 Authority.
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19 JG: Uh-huh.
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24 JG: No.
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26 SS: Do you know that currently Eric Foglesong is in a
27 lobbyist position as it relates to vendors in GOAA?
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29 JG: No, I didn't know that. Doesn't surprise me.
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33 JG: That's somebody they would use.
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3 SS: Okay. Understanding that we're going to get into a
4 little bit more of the trail here, do you have any
5 information about how it was that Foglesong became
6 associated with the Greater Orlando Aviation
7 Authority recently? Do you know anything about
8 that?
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10 JG: How recent?
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12 SS: He -- it's been within the last six months or so.
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14 JG: First of all, I was shocked that they would, you
15 know, associate with him. Second of all,
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38 FS: Um, just -- just for the record, he's been in
39 custody since last year so he hasn't been out in the
40 last six months.
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42 SS: I understand.
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44 FS: Okay.
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46 SS: Yes.
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5 SS: That's all right. I will turn it back over.
6
7 TC: Um, the one thing I wanted to hit so I don't forget,
8 'cause it was stated and then I just wanna dig deep
9 into it. Um, what -- what is your wife's name?
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11 JG: Abby.
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13 TC: Abby.
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15 JG: Ex-wife, sorry.
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17 FS: Ex-wife.
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19 TC: Sorry. Sorry. I know how that goes. Yeah.
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21 FS: Well, I was -- that's recent. It's within the last
22 year.
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24 TC: Sorry. I apologize for that.
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26 FS: (Unintelligible).
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28 TC: Your ex-wife's name is Abby. At the time in 2020 it
29 was Abby Greenberg?
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31 JG: Yes.
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33 TC: Okay. Um, did -- is it your understanding that she
34 witnessed the $25,000 in cash go to Paris?
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36 JG: No.
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38 TC: Okay. How did she come to know about it?
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10 JG: Abby?
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12 TC: Yes.
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16 TC: Um --
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18 JG: Above and beyond what she would have learned from
19 being in -- in my presence with these people, I
20 don't know. I doubt it but I don't know.
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22 TC: Okay. So she -- so no direct -- she -- it was
23 something that she heard after a Seminole County
24 Republican Committee meeting?
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26 JG: Some sort of Seminole County --
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28 TC: Or get-together?
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30 JG: -- yeah. Yeah. Something like that.
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32 SS: You said it was an executive meeting.
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34 TC: The executive committee is what you had said
35 initially.
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37 SS: Right.
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39 JG: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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41 TC: Okay.
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43 JG: I think it was an SEC REC meeting, yeah.
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45 TC: Would this be prior to June of 2020?
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47 JG: Oh, no. This was, uh -- this was like six months
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4 TC: Okay. Do you guys still speak?
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6 JG: Yeah.
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8 TC: Was she at all upset about kind of this crumbling in
9 on you guys, and other people are out there that are
10 not --
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12 JG: Yeah.
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14 TC: -- getting in trouble?
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16 JG: Yeah.
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18 TC: So would she be friendly if there was something --
19 would she be friendly to talk to us?
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21 JG: Yeah.
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23 SS: Cooperative?
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25 JG: Yeah.
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27 TC: Okay.
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29 JG: Yeah, absolutely. She came in on --
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31 TC: I didn't want to assume.
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36 TC: Okay. Did -- did she have any interactions with Ben
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4 JG: She has -- there's no love lost.
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6 FS: There's no -- there's no allegiance.
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8 JG: There's no allegiance anymore. She -- she doesn't
9 want anything to do with these people, anybody we've
10 discussed.
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12 TC: Okay.
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14 JG: And yeah. It's -- she's furious that I'm the one
15 that's taken the fall for a lot of this stuff.
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17 FS: She's very -- informed me that she'd be very
18 receptive to any needs.
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20 TC: Okay.
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22 SS: Is she represented by counsel?
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24 FS: We would call Clayton Simmons.
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26 SS: I know.
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28 FS: Yeah.
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30 SS: Former Judge Simmons.
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32 FS: Yeah. So, uh --
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34 SS: Although my understanding is that he was recently
35 retired.
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37 JG: Retired.
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39 SS: Which is why the divorce was fast-tracked.
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41 FS: Yeah. So -- right. So I will call -- I will find
42 out today if she has current counsel.
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44 SS: If you're able to, and then just communicate that
45 with Inspector Cope.
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47 FS: I expect I will -- I -- I guess.
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2 I will let him know right away.
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4 SS: Very good.
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6 TC: Absolutely. Thank you very much.
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8 SS: I would ask that you not discuss the particulars
9 with regard to the topics that we've talked to you
10 about with Abby Greenberg, because I don't want to
11 taint any future interview --
12
13 JG: Got it.
14
15 SS: -- that we potentially could have with her. So I'm
16 instructing you not to talk to her --
17
18 JG: Yeah.
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20 SS: About these topics. Do you understand?
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22 TC: Or that we spoke at all, please.
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24 JG: Okay. Got it.
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26 SS: Okay.
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28 TC: And that goes for anybody. It -- 'cause it just
29 benefits that we can quietly --
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31 JG: I don't talk to anybody.
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33 TC: Where I -- okay.
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35 JG: Only person I talk to, my mom, my dad and then Abby
36 occasionally but --
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38 TC: Okay. So you guys have a friendly relationship
39 though you're divorced and --
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41 JG: Yeah. Yeah.
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43 TC: -- and said -- okay.
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45 JG: Yeah.
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47 TC: Got it. Got it.
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49 FS: And could I just, um -- when -- when you -- so I --
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26 to throw things out to see if there's anything that
27 jogs your memory or that we can flush out. 'Cause
28 I've got -- we -- we've got Ben Paris's -- his phone
29 tolls and phone tolls, if -- if you know this, I
30 apologize. But just for the record, it's basically
31 communications captured by the phone company, be it
32 SMS text messages or phone calls back and forth
33 between parties that the telephone company captures
34 and stuff. It has no content. I have no context to
35 it, just dates and times. On Ben Paris's phone
36 tolls, I got it from May -- May 1st, 2020, forward
37 into like September of 2021. What was interesting
38 to me is that first -- do you remember what your
39 mobile phone number was that you used?
40
41 JG: Yes.
42
43 TC: Can you give that to me?
44
45 JG: 407-907-5669.
46
47 TC: Okay. And I just want to represent, um, these are
48 phone tolls that I've segregated out of Ben Paris's,
49 and these are communications that reflect, uh, phone
50 -- phone communications between 407-907-5669 and Ben

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1 Paris's phone number which is 321-239-3361. So this
2 -- the time Eastern, 'cause I had to convert it, is
3 here. And I'm making a mark in blue with this arrow
4 that these are the actual times that it occurred.
5 But these are text messages to Ben Paris around May
6 28th of 2020. Does anything about these
7 communications -- 'cause there's not many, and I
8 know you were acquaintances and stuff. Does
9 anything with this May 28th around May 29th jog your
10 memory about any discussions related to campaigns at
11 that time?
12
13 JG: No.
14
15 TC: Okay. So -- and then I'm going to feed a little
16 more information just to see if it jogs your memory.
17
18 JG: It would -- it would have been only about campaigns
19 so --
20
21 TC: Okay.
22
23 JG: -- I don't --
24
25 SS: Before we leave it, would you -- could you please
26 mark that as -- identify --
27
28 TC: Yes. Item 1 --
29
30 SS: -- Item number (unintelligible).
31
32 JG: 'Cause Ben and I -- Ben and I didn't associate as --
33 as friends. We -- we -- I mean, if we were
34 discussing something, it was political. I don't
35 remember what, though.
36
37 LM: Where is this phone? Do you know, does the FBI have
38 it?
39
41
42 SS: Your cell phone.
43
44 JG: Yeah. I think they do.
45
46 FS: Yes. The FBI does.
47
48 LM: Did you ever delete the messages or would they still
49 be there?
50

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1 JG: I have no idea. I don't believe I deleted them.
2
3 FS: If I -- they're doing a whole forensic, like, copy.
4 So, um, there's a whole forensic copy of the phone.
5
6 TC: Also here, um, I'm just going to draw just kind of a
7 line over here in this box. This is Item 1, again,
8 and you'll see that it goes to June 18th. There's
9 several conversations, and then it goes -- the next
10 ones were in August of 2020. And this was before
11 you were in -- indicted and arrested. Does the June
12 18th jog your memory of any specifics about talking
13 to Mr. Paris about the campaign?
14
15 SS: And for the record, is that also the -- those are
16 text communications between Mr. Greenberg's cell
17 phone and Mr. Paris's cell phone, correct?
18
19 TC: Correct.
20
21 SS: Got it. On or about June 18th.
22
23 TC: That's a copy of it.
24
25 SS: Got it.
26
27 TC: Yes.
28
29 SS: Okay.
30
31 JG: So the -- the two that you've --
32
33 TC: So these -- this is the range. The -- this appears
34 to be text communications on June 18th between these
35 lines there.
36
37 JG: Uh-huh.
38
39 TC: And you don't have any idea what the context was?
40
41 JG: I -- I do and if -- if --
42
43 SS: We have a suspicion.
44
45 TC: We have a suspicion and --
46
47 SS: We're not going to tell you.
48
49 JG: I -- I thought -- I thought it was --
50

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1 TC: -- I will see --
2
3 JG: -- I'm like they obviously know what it was. I --
4
5 TC: I have never seen the actual text messages. I'm
6 going based off the evidence we have gathered
7 without context, and I can -- I can posture what
8 they could be, but I'm not going to do that until
9 we've let you look at it to see if it jogs anything
10 in your memory.
11
12 JG:
13
14
15 TC: Third-party candidates?
16
17 JG: -- third-party candidates. It had -- well, that
18 would -- that would include -- be included in the
19 race.
20
21 TC: Okay. When you're talking about race, you're
22 encompassing everything?
23
24 JG: Yeah. Everybody. The opponents.
25
26 TC: Okay. I -- and again, our case is, again, a
27 campaign finance case about the Senate District 9
28 for the third-party candidate.
29
30 JG: Yeah. It -- it wouldn't be, Hi, how's your wife
31 doing, or none of that.
32
33 TC: Okay. Um, and then one more. I'm going to label
34 this Item 2. These were my own personal notes when
35 I was viewing a spreadsheet of Eric Foglesong's
36 phone records and yours with the same phone number.
37 It appeared on June 4th, 2020. There was a
38 six-minute phone call. Again, June 4th of 2020, does
39 that jog your memory about any specifics? 'Cause
40 that was really the only pertinent communication
41 between you and Foglesong that was captured by the
42 phone company. Granted, if that was on Signal or
43 any other thing, these things aren't going to be
44 captured. But does this date -- 'cause this is
45 by -- close to qualifying. This -- these are
46 important dates that we're looking at.
47
48 JG: Yeah. There was -- there was -- there's -- he
49 called me about, um, there was some scheme that he
50 wanted to do. And I was kind of -- oh, my God.

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1 What was it?
2
3 LM: Take your time.
4
5 TC: Yeah.
6
7 JG: Fuck. I do remember that. 'Cause I remember I just
8 kind of paid him lip service. I was doing something
9 else and I rolled my eyes. It was -- it was some
10 scheme he wanted to do that would involve sucking
11 money away from the office and going to him somehow.
12 I don't remember what it was, though.
13
14 TC: Was it related to elections?
15
16 JG: Absolutely. Yeah. The -- that's -- there's no
17 reason that he would have called me in June 2020
18 unless it had something to do with elections. It
19 was some scheme. I don't remember what the scheme
20 was. But I remember he called me. And I don't talk
21 on the phone that long.
22
23 TC: Right. Six minutes is --
24
25 JG: Is a long conversation for me in my opinion.
26
27 TC: For me, too.
28
29 JG: Yeah. And, uh, so, yeah, he was talking and that
30 was --
31
32 TC: Okay.
33
34 JG: -- it was some scheme. Some scheme that he -- he
35 come up with.
36
37 TC: I got it. All right. But nothing -- nothing
38 specific. Is there anything you want to go down
39 that line before I kind of reveal more information
40 and --
41
42 SS: No.
43
44 TC: -- and put it through -- okay.
45
46 SS: We've established that you -- none of this jogs your
47 memory so with that --
48
49 TC: So -- so let me just -- and then so let me give you
50 more information. Let's see if it jogs anything

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1 further or gives us another -- something to follow
2 up on. The reason these dates are important,
3 because we know now that it jogs my memory, too, you
4 know, June 4th through, like, the 12th and that, um,
5 people are -- are getting into the Department of
6 State their qualifying checks, all of their
7 candidate O forms and everything like that, also to
8 the Seminole County Supervisor of Elections.
9
10 I know that Foglesong is communicating with Jestine
11 and getting her all squared away, trying to get her
12 campaign account going on. The key about May 28th
13 and May 29th is with all phone toll records with the
14 suspects, their first contact that's captured on
15 phone is May 29th, and it's the first introduction.
16 You know, Paris speaks to Iannotti; don't know the
17 context. But then Foglesong -- and we have -- we
18 have Foglesong's text messages with Jestine Iannotti
19 that says, "Nice to meet you," and this is on the
20 evening of the 29th.
21
22 So do you recall any discussions, communications
23 with anybody talking about, Hey, we -- we've got our
24 third-party candidate for Brodeur. It's on. We're
25 rocking and rolling. We're ready to go. Does
26 any -- and -- and this is, again, May of 20 -- late
27 May of 2020. Does anything jog your memory of any
28 discussions at that time?
29
30 JG: No.
31
32 TC: Okay. The June 18th is interesting in the fact that
33 we know, um, Foglesong's scrambling for names to put
34 on the elections reports that are due June 19th. So
35 I bring up the 18th as it's interesting is you have
36 texts going between you and Paris who ultimately
37 does help with that. Does that jog your memory
38 about any discussion of helping to secure a name?
39
40 JG: Yeah. I think he wanted to use Abby. Yeah.
41
42 TC: He wanted to use Abby?
43
44 JG: I think he asked if he could use Abby as a name.
45
46 SS: Who's "he" asked?
47
48 JG: Foglesong.
49
50 SS: Okay.

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2 JG:
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13 TC: So let me just hold up real quick. So I showed you
14 Ben Paris's phone tolls.
15
16 JG: Yeah.
17
18 TC: But you recall Foglesong asking to use Abby's name.
19
20 JG: It came up at some point.
21
22 TC: Okay.
23
24 JG: Yeah.
25
26 TC: You don't know the exact time period?
27
28 JG: It -- no. It might have been on the call that he --
29 when he called me in -- in June.
30
31 TC: Okay.
32
33 JG: He wanted to use Abby for something. And I just --
34 I wasn't paying attention to him. It was -- he was
35 throwing a lot at me and it was some sort of scheme.
36 And I remember I was at my office and I was working
37 on something.
38
39 TC: Did -- did you discuss with Abby that he wanted to
40 use your name?
41
42 JG: No. I -- I wouldn't have even discussed it.
43
44 TC: Would Ben Paris or Eric Foglesong been able to
45 contact Abby directly?
46
47 JG: I guess, yeah, if they wanted to.
48
49 TC: Okay.
50

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1 SS: Did your former wife Abby Greenberg have any type of
2 relationship, though, with Mr. Foglesong or Mr.
3 Paris?
4
5 JG: No. No. No. None.
6
7 SS: So given the nature of the relationship you had with
8 those individuals, would it have been appropriate
9 for them to go through you for a request versus
10 going straight to her?
11
12 JG: Yes.
13
14 SS: And I'm going to ask the question directly because
15 how you've kind of couched it is confusing to me.
16 Do you have an independent recollection of Eric
17 Foglesong asking you if he or anyone associated with
18 Brodeur's campaign could use Abby Greenberg's name
19 as a campaign contributor to the third-party
20 candidate Jestine Iannotti in the Senate 9 race?
21
22 JG: Not as specific as you put it, no.
23
24 SS: Okay.
25
26 JG: But he mentioned her -- he mentioned Abby about
27 something.
28
29 SS: And wanting to use her name in some context?
30
31 JG: For something, yeah.
32
33 SS: But when we drill all the way down --
34
35 JG: I mean, no, I -- I couldn't --
36
37 SS: -- we can't connect those dots?
38
39 JG: -- a hundred percent, no.
40
41 SS: Understood. Thank you.
42
43 LM: Was it for a campaign donation?
44
45 JG: I don't remember.
46
47 LM: Okay.
48
49 TC: Um, and we'll circle back to the discussions that
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1 in front of you, because third-party candidates --
2 and I'm going to use the slang term ghost candidates
3 -- and maybe that helps you jog your memory, too, so
4 if I start using the word ghost candidate --
5
6 JG: Yeah.
7
8 TC: -- they're not necessarily illegal. It's the
9 campaign financing that is the illegal part in all
10 of this. So I just kind of want to get your mind
11 focused on campaign --
12
13 JG: Yeah.
14
15 TC: -- financing. Especially around 2020 and
16 discussions with , Brodeur or whoever. It
17 didn't have to be Brodeur. I know we're painting
18 those things, but again, for -- for -- for Brodeur
19 to really be involved and -- and subject to -- to
20 anything -- or were you aware of Brodeur being
21 involved in any of this campaign financing for
22 third-parties? 'Cause you talked about Frank
23 Artiles. You talked about Dorworth sending cash and
24 this and that. And I don't know what Brodeur's, um,
25 financial state is. But are you -- do you have any
26 knowledge of Brodeur personally being involved in
27 these campaign financing schemes for these ghost
28 candidates?
29
30 JG: No.
31
32 TC: Just that he was aware that it was going on in his
33 campaign and knew who was doing it.
34
35 JG: He was -- yeah.
36
37 TC: And what --
38
39 JG: It's inconceivable that he would not be aware.
40
41 FS: No. But --
42
43 TC: But did you -- did you hear him? Were you in the
44 presence when he heard that? I understand the -- I
45 agree with you.
46
47 JG: Yeah.
48
49 TC: I mean, we can all sit here and agree and postulate
50 about that. And -- and if you're at the meeting --

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1 and that's one thing, and -- and -- and it is what
2 it is. It's just a lie to the media if that's the
3 case. I'm talking about stuff firsthand you know
4 that he directly was passed that information.
5
6 FS: He was --
7
8 TC: We've got a third-party candidate. We got it taken
9 care of, as you've framed it.
10
11 FS: Um, can -- can I ask the -- are you asking him if
12 Brodeur was present when these conversations were
13 occurring?
14
15 TC: I -- I'm asking --
16
17 FS: -- sorry.
18
19 TC: -- if he was present and can confirm that the
20 information was conveyed to Brodeur. It's -- it's
21 easy to be vague in these circles.
22
23 FS: Uh-huh.
24
25 TC: But I'm curious if Brodeur knew about the financial
26 scheme of, Hey, I'm going to pay cash, but we're
27 going to make it look like legit donations and
28 things like that.
29
30 JG: No. If you put it like that, no.
31
32 TC: Okay. And then I --
33
34 JG: Nobody -- nobody talks like that.
35
36 TC: I agree but at -- you know, at some point if
37 somebody's worried about a campaign that's going to
38 be razor thin, somebody may slip up and actually
39 discuss, Hey, I've got this -- this, uh -- this
40 girl. She's agreed to run this as an experience to
41 see what campaigning is like. So we've got
42 somebody. We just need to get the qualifying fee.
43 Um, and also to get names to -- to make it look more
44 legit. You know, what -- what we have is people
45 reporting that checks were given when, in fact, no
46 checks were ever written as campaign donations.
47
48 JG: Yeah.
49
50 TC: And the same thing in your race. You -- and this is

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1 why I was like maybe you've had these conversations,
2 because if you gave your ghost candidate cash --
3
4 JG: Uh-huh.
5
6 TC: -- they had to falsely report on their campaign
7 treasurer's report how they got that money.
8
9 JG: Which they did.
10
11 TC: Which would be a check. But if you gave them cash,
12 they're -- you know, that's -- that's how these
13 schemes work. So that's why I'm trying to jog your
14 memory, to see if it was discussed like that. Like,
15 how are we going to get the funds there. And again,
16 I understand the slang, you know, they're not going
17 to talk -- talk like it. But if it -- I mean, if
18 you look at Brodeur's race, it was razor thin any
19 way you cut it.
20
21 JG: Yeah.
22
23 TC: And especially in Seminole County. It was only
24 three -- barely 300 votes he won by, which is razor
25 thin. It was only because of Volusia County it even
26 looks like it was not that close.
27
28 JG: Yes.
29
30 TC: Um --
31
32 JG: I remember him telling me that he was going to lose.
33 He thought he would lose Seminole County.
34
35 TC: So he was concerned and he needed something, a
36 little extra help.
37
38 JG: Yeah. He would -- they were -- I remember him
39 telling me that they were targeting on Facebook
40 conservative Democrats, independent voters, because
41 they were going to paint his opponent as, you know,
42 a flaming liberal, and he thought that he would win
43 his -- his race in Volusia County.
44
45 TC: Okay. And in -- then another coincidence -- and
46 like you said, it's inconceivable he didn't know
47 when the person who does help supply a name has been
48 Paris somebody who works for --
49
50 JG: Yeah.

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1
2 TC: -- Brodeur as -- as he said. Any conversation of
3 like, oh, Ben will take care of it, or is Ben and
4 Brodeur close? I mean, it's one thing to give
5 somebody a job. It's another thing to be close
6 outside of work and -- and have more than just a
7 professional relationship.
8
9 JG: Yeah.
10
11 TC: Do you know about their relationship?
12
13 JG: I don't know about their relationship.
14
15
16
17
18
19
20 TC: Uh-huh.
21
22 JG: Appreciation.
23
24 TC:
25
26
27
28 JG: He wouldn't need to pay Brodeur.
29
30 TC: Okay. Why's that?
31
32 JG: They have, like, a brother relationship.
33
34 TC: Okay.
35
36 FS: Can I just clarify that -- I just want to -- your
37 question, it just -- Brodeur -- I think you had said
38 that Brodeur was present when there was talks about
39 the third-party candidate.
40
41 TC: Yeah.
42
43 JG: That he -- and he was drunk, and he -- he drinks a
44 lot, and he'd always be over at house
45 hammered so --
46
47 TC: And -- and I get that. And again, and just so you
48 understand, I mean, you know, 'cause I think if you
49 read in the media and look at the portrayals of it,
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1 those schemes happen all the time. The campaign
2 financing is where it's the issue so it's like I --
3 we can confederate together and run a ghost
4 candidate as long as they pay their own way.
5
6 JG: Yeah. Why would they do that, though?
7
8 TC: That's totally legal.
9
10 JG: It defies the whole --
11
12 TC: Well, if somebody wants to help their party. I
13 mean, you could see overzealous people have got
14 $1,300 left over. It's conceivable. But like you
15 said, it's throwing bad money unless you're so die
16 hard to help somebody. And actually, I'm finding
17 out, digging deeper into these things, that actually
18 happens or, you know, people screw up. So we're
19 just going from there. Um, anything else on that
20 line that you'd like to help out with?
21
22 SS: Yes. So I just want to be -- make it very clear.
23 You were present when Jason Brodeur is either
24 participating in conversations, overhearing
25 conversations with Ben Paris and/or
26 Frank Artiles about third-party candidate running in
27 the Senate 9 race; is that correct?
28
29 JG: Yes.
30
31 SS: But you don't know specifics with regard to the
32 financing of that third-party candidate and the
33 Senate 9 race; is that correct?
34
35 JG: Correct.
36
37 SS: The direct quote that you've offered us here today
38 is that when asked about Brodeur's race --
39
40 JG: Uh-huh.
41
42 SS: -- the response was, "We've got it --"
43
44 JG: Handled. Uh-huh.
45
46 SS: "-- handled."
47
48 JG: Uh-huh.
49
50 SS: And who made that comment?

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2 JG:
3
4 SS:
5
6 JG: Yeah.
7
8 SS: And that comment, "We've got it handled," was in
9 front of Brodeur, correct?
10
11 JG: Absolutely, yes.
12
13 SS: As it relates to these elected officials of which
14 you were one at one time, does Jason Brodeur
15 surround himself with individuals who can take care
16 of these types of things on his behalf without him
17 having to directly do it himself?
18
19 JG: Yes.
20
21 SS: And who would those individuals be?
22
23 JG:
24
25 SS: Is there anyone else within his --
26
27 JG: Frank Artiles.
28
29 SS: Anyone else?
30
31 JG: Eric Foglesong.
32
33 SS: And so even though he is a candidate, may not be
34 directly responsible for making payments or
35 providing cash, there are people within his
36 constellation of friendships and networking who are
37 postured to be able to do so; is that correct?
38
39 JG: Without a doubt.
40
41 SS: But you were never privy -- that's a bad question.
42 Were you ever privy to any conversations, though,
43 about those issues of financing and the money and
44 how that third-party candidate was going to be
45 supported in the race?
46
47 JG: No. I -- I knew the recipe but not the ingredients.
48
49 SS: Understood.
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1 JG: Yeah.
2
3 FS: What about the Reagan event?
4
5 JG:
6
7
8 SS: But Brodeur wasn't part of that conversation,
9 correct?
10
11 JG: I don't know. I don't remember if he was there or
12 not.
13
14 SS: 'Cause you've mentioned Bob Cortez.
15
16 JG: Bob Cortez was sitting right there. Vennia Francois
17 was standing there. We were in a circle having a
18 conversation.
19
20 SS: Do you remember Jason Brodeur participated in that
21 conversation?
22
23 JG: No.
24
25 SS: Were there specifics being detailed?
26
27 JG: Not that time, no.
28
29 SS: Not that time?
30
31 JG: No. No.
32
33 SS: Was -- was there some other time where there were
34 specifics being detailed and Brodeur participated?
35
36 JG: What do you mean by participated?
37
38 SS: He's hearing it. 'Cause I -- if I -- if I'm
39 confessing to some type of scheme and it's in front
40 of the four of you and you're simply silent, Mr.
41 Greenberg, about the scheme that I'm going to
42 conduct with my fellow compatriots here, you're
43 hearing it. You're aware of what's going on.
44
45 JG: Yeah.
46
47 SS: So in that way he may not have talked. He may not
48 have offered anything. But is he within earshot and
49 hearing about --
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1 JG: I don't know if this makes sense, but we talked
2 about political strategy so often that it's
3 difficult to pick out a specific conversation.
4 That's how often we talked about this sort of stuff.
5
6 SS: But do you have an independent recollection, though,
7 of them -- and I don't mean to beat a dead horse
8 here. But it's -- it's all -- I'm -- we're just
9 trying to determine the facts. Independent
10 recollection of Brodeur being present when specifics
11 were detailed about the third-party candidate in his
12 race?
13
14 JG: Not about this specific person but the -- the -- he
15 definitely was present because I would ask questions
16 sometimes. So I got the information to use for my
17 -- my campaign about the apparatus on how to do it.
18
19 SS: Sure.
20
21 JG: And -- and the -- the thinking behind it.
22
23 SS: Pick a female.
24
25 JG: Spanish-sounding name.
26
27 SS: Hispanic- --
28
29 JG: Exactly.
30
31 SS: -- sounding last name.
32
33 JG: Yes. NPA. Goes right to the November ballot and
34 the logic behind it.
35
36 SS: Understood.
37
38 JG: Absolutely. Yeah.
39
40 SS: Okay.
41
42 TC: There was something that you -- two names that came
43 up in the e-mails that you sent. And it's not
44 directly related to --
45
46 FS: Sure.
47
48 TC: -- this but, uh, it may be related to help other
49 prosecutors. I'm just curious. Um, you -- 'cause
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1 up to be the chairmans [sic] of these PACs with the
2 Grow United and everything. It was Sierra Olive
3 [phonetic] and then the last name DeFilippis or --
4
5 FS: Hailey DeFilippis.
6
7 SS: Hailey.
8
9 TC: Hailey. That's right.
10
11 SS: Yeah.
12
13 FS: Hailey DeFilippis.
14
15 TC: And so I was curious, did -- were these people you
16 personally knew?
17
18 LM: Was this -- yeah. Is this --
19
20 TC: This is from the FBI e-mail. I --
21
22 FS: Yeah.
23
24 TC: -- I labeled as Item 3.
25
26 FS: Sure.
27
28 TC: You sent it to them on Monday, April 12, 2021. You
29 sent it to me May 25th, 2022.
30
31 FS: Okay.
32
33 TC: If you can just read that.
34
35 FS: I hate reading my own -- own e-mails.
36
37 JG: No, I don't --
38
39 FS: Well, this is -- I mean, we --
40
41 TC: Did you -- did you have an association with them?
42
43 JG: No.
44
45 TC: Okay.
46
47 JG: Not that I -- not that I know of.
48
49 TC: And who --
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1 FS: And let me just put this on the record. I guess I'm
2 under oath, too. This was independent investigation
3 I had that I provided to the FBI --
4
5 TC: Okay.
6
7 FS: -- to give them investigative tools.
8
9 TC: I got it. I -- I just -- I --
10
11 FS: Yeah. Okay. So I -- I just want to let you guys
12 know that and I was the one who came up with --
13
14 TC: With the phone number and everything?
15
16 FS: Yes. That was --
17
18 TC: When I was looking at it I thought that maybe it was
19 a circle and he knew them or something.
20
21 FS: Yeah, I said I did -- I just said -- I just -- I
22 didn't -- so that was actually -- I know which --
23 exactly what you're talking about. That was me.
24
25 TC: Got it. All right.
26
27 FS: Okay. You -- you actually have proven that your
28 lawyer works for you.
29
30 JG: Ah.
31
32 FS: (Unintelligible).
33
34 TC: Well I -- I wanted to clear that up --
35
36 JG: Yeah.
37
38 TC: -- just because I'm aware of other things that --
39
40 FS: Sure.
41
42 TC: -- are not part of us, but it's kind of a courtesy
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14 TC: And I'll just -- and that's -- that's perfect 'cause
15 that clears that.
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17 FS: Uh-huh.
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19 TC: Um, but because you talked about Frank Artiles
20 and -- and knowing him, communicating with him, I'm
21 going to throw out a few names to see if it jogs
22 your memory. Do you -- were you aware of anything
23 involving the PAC Floridians for Equality and
24 Justice?
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26 JG: I want to say so -- it sounds like a stupid name
27 they would put together as -- it's just right --
28 it's in the playbook.
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30 TC: They sent mailers during the primary with Sigman and
31 Ashby. So that was all for the primary that the
32 mailers that were sent out to the Seminole County
33 voters, and, you know, the voters for District 9 for
34 that primary came from Floridians for Equality and
35 Justice. Does that ring any sort of bell, any
36 discussions you had with anybody?
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38 JG: Is that an established PAC?
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40 TC: Define "established."
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42 JG: That predates the 2020 election?
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44 TC: No.
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46 JG: Okay. That -- no. Not that -- that's right up the
47 ball -- as some stupid corny thing they would use to
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8 TC: -- I mean, did you have discussions about how this
9 is done? The -- that with these PACs?
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11 JG: Yeah. They use -- yeah. They use a name like that.
12 They get outside funding. They've got a number of
13 people -- I mean, it's not -- not a whole lot of
14 sophistication around it. They've got a number of
15 people who do mailers. would often
16 send me, um, mailers that were demos to see what I
17 liked. I had a creative eye with this -- with this
18 stuff. And he -- he would bounce ideas off of me.
19 So you get a guy that you see and you mail those
20 out. I mean, it's just --
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22 TC: Sure. But it --
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24 JG: -- the problem is that they're not very good at it.
25 But --
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27 TC: -- the Floridians for Equality and Justice, again,
28 was specifically designed for the Senate District 9.
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30 JG: Yeah. I'm sure.
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32 TC: And that's why I asked that it could have been
33 something that came up in conversation.
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35 JG: Not that name, no.
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37 TC: Okay.
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39 JG: But that name is someone they would totally pick.
40
41 TC: Frank Artiles, again, he would have been the one
42 more than likely discussing this with Floridians for
43 Equality and Justice.
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45 JG: Yeah. I --
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47 TC: Potentially.
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4 JG: Yeah, a quarterback for the Rams.
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8 JG: Is that on -- the quarterback for the Rams?
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10 TC: No. It's -- no, not Matthew Stafford but Stafford
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13 JG: Stafford Jones?
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15 TC: Or Stephen Jones.
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17 JG: Stephen Jones. I could have.
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19 TC: Okay.
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21 JG: They both -- they both sound familiar, but I -- I
22 can't place them anywhere.
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24 TC: Specifically dealing with PACs.
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26 JG: Out of Tallahassee?
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28 TC: Uh, in some sense. They live in Alachua or
29 Gainesville area.
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31 JG: Not that I can directly recall.
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33 TC: Lots of ties to Tallahassee.
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35 JG: Yeah.
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37 TC: And all that. Again --
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39 JG: I -- I can't directly say.
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41 TC: -- I now know how the game works with it.
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43 JG: Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure, yeah.
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45 TC: Uh, and again, I'm -- I'm not --
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47 JG: And that probably predates 2020 and all this, too.
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24 JG: All right.
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26 TC: Okay. Um, I'm trying to think of any other names.
27 Do you have any?
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29 SS: Adam --
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31 LM: Associated --
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33 SS: -- Karvoski. Do you recognize the name --
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35 TC: That's all right.
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37 SS: -- Adam Karvoski?
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39 JG: Is he out of the Panhandle?
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41 SS: (No audible response).
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43 JG: No. I -- I --
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45 TC: It's Todd Karvoski.
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7 JG: I -- I can't --
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9 TC: Okay. One more. Stephen Smith.
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11 JG: God, that's not --
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13 TC: I know. But this would be a cousin of Ben Paris.
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15 JG: Stephen Smith?
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17 TC: Yeah.
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19 JG: Possibly. I mean, it's a very, very --
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21 TC: Sure.
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23 JG: -- general name. Possibly.
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25 TC: Okay. Um, the other two names are people who are
26 friends with Foglesong. Mr. Karvoski -- did you
27 guys ever go to the --
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29 SS: Twin Peaks.
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31 TC: -- Twin Peaks in Altamonte?
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33 JG: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. All the time.
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35 TC: With Foglesong?
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37 JG: Oh, yeah.
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39 TC: Okay.
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41 JG: Yeah.
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43 TC: That's why -- especially Karvoski because that's
44 where he met Foglesong. Do you -- so --
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46 JG: That's where I met him?
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7 TC: I believe so.
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11 TC: Possibly. Um, but again, does that name ring a bell
12 with you?
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14 JG: Not the last name. I mean, it would have been a
15 first name.
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17 TC: Todd.
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19 JG: Yeah. So that's --
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21 TC: He had a girlfriend at the time that lived in
22 Altamonte. Um, so that's why he would frequent
23 there and ran into Foglesong.
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25 JG: Can't say for certain.
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27 TC: Um, I think that's all the names.
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29 SS: I don't have any additional.
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31 TC: Doug Crawford's the only other name that's just
32 loosely associated. And that's only 'cause Iannotti
33 brought it up.
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35 JG: Uh-uh.
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37 TC: Okay.
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39 LM: Going into the Miami one. I can't remember the name
40 of the -- the other gentleman.
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42 TC: Oh, that was, um, the other candidate?
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44 LM: I can't remember the name.
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46 TC: It -- it -- I know. It's very common. Like a Jorge
47 Rodriguez or -- or something. Um --
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11 JG: Just that they used a name that would have been a
12 Spanish name and confuse people. The -- that's --
13 but, no, not the specific -- well, that -- well,
14 I -- I remember hearing about it and laughing 'cause
15 it's just -- it's -- it's literally just something
16 we would talk about. One of the papers had written
17 something about it, and I was -- I was laughing
18 'cause it's, like, verbatim the stuff we would talk
19 about at house. And --
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21 TC: Where -- were you, uh, in custody or on bail on
22 April 8th of 2021?
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24 JG: Yeah.
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26 LM: (Unintelligible).
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28 JG: I was in -- in here.
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30 FS: He was in custody.
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32 TC: You -- he was in custody? Okay.
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34 FS: It's anything after February 2020.
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36 TC: Anything after February. Okay. Thank you. Um,
37 it's just --
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39 FS: or late February. It's late February.
40
41 TC: -- it was weird because abruptly resigned
42 from the
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44 JG: Yeah. 'Cause of all this stuff going on with --
45
46 TC: On April 8th, after there was an article --
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48 JG: I'm gonna -- yeah, I could tell them whatever, I
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30 TC: Right.
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32 JG: I guess some stuff was in Politico. I don't know
33 what was --
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43 JG: It's a significant move for him.
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45 TC: Yeah. There's just -- the Sentinel put out an
46 article. It was mostly about the ghost candidate
47 scheme and stuff. But there was a little more
48 information that came out. Um, and then -- then he
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9 FS: -- I don't know if the -- I don't think there's ever
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12 JG: Is -- is there -- you haven't?
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14 TC: I don't think anything that links --
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16 JG: Okay. All right.
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18 TC:
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20 JG: Then somehow he -- he was -- he was interviewed --
21
22 TC: But there was election stuff and everything so maybe
23 he was interviewed that day and it's just a
24 coincidence --
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26 JG: Something, yeah.
27
28 TC: -- on the article and stuff.
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30 JG: He didn't --
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32 TC: But if you were in here there wouldn't have been --
33 you know, 'cause it seems like there's a lot of
34 communication around the 8th because the other thing
35 that's interesting is there's -- Foglesong reaches
36 out to all the straw donors on the 8th. That's why I
37 thought it was more so associated with the election
38 stuff than it was any possible things.
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40 JG: They were all probably freaking out.
41
42 TC: Well, and the other thing I want to touch on,
43 this -- this was in, um, kind of the intelligence
44 that we're able to have access to and everything.
45 Um, and just so we know as we move forward with Mr.
46 Foglesong, he came up as being linked to the
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39 TC: Well, that was another one I wanted to bring up.
40 Thank you for reminding me. Chris Anderson's the
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43 JG: Yeah.
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45 TC: He used to work for you.
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47 JG: Correct.
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2 talked about -- may have asked him for guidance on
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5 SS: Who's "they"?
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7 JG: Brodeur, If there's any questions
8 involving any elections, they would either ask
9 or Anderson, both of who were friends and, you know,
10 it's not uncommon -- I don't know if it was -- it's
11 not uncommon for -- you -- you'd be able to ask
12 Chris a question. Chris would kind of understand
13 without having to say too much.
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15 SS: Anderson?
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17 JG: Yeah. He, in no way, shape or form, was involved in
18 any of the schemes. I don't even know how competent
19 he was at his job come 2020. He was still learning
20 it. He probably -- you know, he probably knew it.
21 Um, however, they -- they may have asked him
22 questions or guidance, that sort of things. I know
23 I did. You know, Hey, I'm going to do this. How do
24 you do it? Well, in theory, if you're going to do
25 this, you would have done that. though, was
26 the only other person maybe you want to talk to,
27 'cause he knows election matters.
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29 LM: Any other politicians, um, elected officials in
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5 TC: Right. And I just want to make it clear, again, you
6 know, with what we're looking at. With, um,
7 was he partied to
8 conversations about Senate District 9 and the ghost
9 candidates scheme? Firsthand knowledge that you
10 were there and he knows. So you'd be somebody to
11 corroborate.
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13 JG: was at house. What I -- what I
14 recall, this one specific time was on his
15 phone walking around the pool. I don't know if
16 you've ever been to house. All right? Have
17 you?
18
19 TC: I -- no.
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21 JG: Okay. There's a pool in the back yard.
22
23 TC: Okay.
24
25 JG: And it's an open back yard area. So if he was
26 walking around, I remember him. I remember sitting
27 on the couch talking to Paris was there
28 and -- and Brodeur. Um, I know I -- no, not
29 specifically.
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31 TC: Okay.
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33 JG: But again, it's --
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35 TC: But at this time there --
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37 JG: -- inconceivable that he would not know. These
38 guys, they did everything as a -- as a group.
39 Everything. They would -- initially got into the
40 Florida House together as a group and they lived
41 together. They went to school together. And
42 they --
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44 TC: Sure. Did -- do you know if gave money
45 to fund the qualifying fee to Eric Foglesong?
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47 JG: I don't. I know that had a -- has significant
48 influence over some of the medical marijuana people
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6 JG: So, no, not specifically --
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8 LM: There was a --
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10 JG: -- I don't I -- know of a smoking gun.
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12 TC: Sure.
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14 LM: I just -- there was a check that was to have been
15 from Nikki Fried's boyfriend to the Reagan thing,
16 right? The event, the Reagan event?
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21 to --
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23 JG: There was an event that I was at where -- where
24 Nikki Fried's boyfriend gave a check to But
25 I mean, it was for his --
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27 LM: Okay.
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29 JG: -- it was, like -- it was a like 50 grand or a
30 hundred grand --
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32 LM: Sorry. I just wanted to clarify that.
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34 TC: Right.
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36 JG: It was the one that Roger Stone was at and
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39 TC: Okay. Did you fund the qualifying fee for the
40 Senate District 9? Since you talked about cash and
41 -- and paying people.
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43 JG: No.
44
45 TC: Okay. Do you know if Jason Brodeur gave any cash to
46 Eric Foglesong to fund the qualifying fee?
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48 JG: No. I don't think Jason --
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5 TC: Okay. Do you know firsthand that gave cash
6 to Eric Foglesong to provide the qualifying fee for
7 Jestine Iannotti's candidacy?
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9 JG: No, I don't know for -- I don't have --
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11 TC: Is that your hunch that it would have been him if
12 anybody provided money to Eric Foglesong for that?
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14 JG: He would have been involved.
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16 TC: Okay. did he provide the money to Eric
17 Foglesong?
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19 JG: didn't have any money.
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21 TC: Okay.
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23 JG: No.
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25 TC: Frank Artiles, did he provide the money to Eric
26 Foglesong?
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28 JG: Could have. Not that I'm aware of, though.
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30 TC: Understood. Okay. Stacey, I think that's as direct
31 with everything that I can possibly think at this
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34 SS: Great.
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36 TC: Okay.
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38 SS: Anything else, Inspectors, as it relates to Senate
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41 TC: Not at this point. I'll rack my brain while you go
42 through.
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44 JG: I hope that was helpful, like, somewhat, the context
45 of everything.
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47 TC: Yes. No. Thank you. There -- there -- there's
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7 TC: Just don't --
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9 FS: -- just -- just hold on.
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11 TC: -- don't -- don't worry about it.
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13 FS: Let them -- let --
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15 TC: We --
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17 FS: You answer the questions.
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19 TC: -- yeah. There's --
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21 FS: So, um, I will get the -- well, we'll go off. We'll
22 talk about this.
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24 TC: Yes.
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26 FS: But I'm going to get the -- I'm going to get the
27 phone -- to get a copy, forensic copy of the phones.
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29 TC: That might be very beneficial.
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31 FS: All right?
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33 SS: Yes.
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35 TC: More so. Um --
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37 FS: Put that on my list.
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39 TC: -- if you've got questions, I'm going to move it
40 more to the center.
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42 SS: Well, I -- I -- I do. But I'm going to pivot and
43 start talking about the tax collector's race and
44 then the . We
45 can explore that. So are you okay to move away from
46 a Senate 9 --
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10 SS: Okay. Tell me what year.
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14 SS: And you were running as the incumbent, correct?
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16 JG: Yes. Yes.
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18 SS: And who was running against you?
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20 JG: I had two primary candidates with the Republican
21 side, and then there was one, um, on the Democrat
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36 SS: Really?
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40 SS: Okay. So --
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15 get to even a primary election in your race, talk to
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37 TC: But was he -- was he an attorney or what --
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24 TC: Well, there could have been more. There was one
25 that I've stumbled across that could have legs for a
26 possible criminal investigation. Um, so I'm just --
27 I'm just throwing out the -- I'll go through how I
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29 see if it jogs your memory. But did you have any
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36 TC: Okay. Um, did you ever -- were you ever in
37 communication or have run-ins with former Orange
38 County Commissioner Scott Boyd?
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42 TC: Okay. There was a treasurer that's out of Lake
43 County but works in Apopka that's maybe pertinent to
44 this, a David Rankin, who was involved in politics.
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40 LM: Is that pretty much where everyone just gathered and
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36 that comes to mind that would be -- you would
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38 we'll stop you and we'll move on. And it's not a
39 problem. Um, let's -- just throwing names out
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42 JG: Bob. Um, no. Nothing that I know of.
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44 LM: Okay. Just because you just made -- Kruppenbacher.
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46 JG: Kruppenbacher, I mean, he -- I was introduced to
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4 $6,000 a month for a period of time to help with
5 some legal matters. He really oversold what he
6 could do. Um, he was supposed to set up -- he was
7 supposed to set up some sort of either political
8 action committee or something to help me in the 2020
9 election. And that -- that's another thing he never
10 got around to doing. But I paid him a lot of money
11 for very little. I mean, he was paid a lot of money
12 from the office and he didn't -- didn't really do
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17 JG: Um, all 2018, '19 into 2020.
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19 LM: So was there an agreement like not necessarily
20 political but an agreement that, I'm gonna overpay
21 the hell out of you, uh, for you to do nothing? You
22 know, was it just to give you money or was it actual
23 -- for actual work that he just underdelivered?
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27 SS: What was the benefit to you?
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29 JG: He, Frank, would always say, Oh, I'm going to get
30 you this, I'm gonna get you -- I'm gonna get you a
31 political action committee and we'll raise a bunch
32 of money for your, you know, re-election, or we'll
33 have -- he would promise that he would do certain
34 things at the office like set up some sort of a
35 children's day. You know, we had kids come in and
36 learn about the -- so he would sell me on the idea
37 of something that would sound legit and just never
38 follow through on anything. He did get me to a
39 couple of events with -- with then Governor Rick
40 Scott, some dinners, you know, with just, like, four
41 or five people. But other than that, I mean, he was
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10 also had an amount in escrow.
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14 JG: He had, like, 50,000 in escrow that he was -- at the
15 beginning of the year he had like 40 or $50,000 or
16 something.
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18 LM: Okay. But (unintelligible) technically his
19 employment with your office was -- I hate to put it
20 this way, somewhat legit. He was paid to do some
21 work. But was it, again, an agreement from the get
22 go, This is just to give you money?
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24 JG: I don't believe he did any work for the office. He
25 said he was -- he had a lot of good ideas and their
26 access to certain things that he'd provide. But --
27 okay, now I do remember. Richard Anderson told
28 me -- so Richard Anderson told me that the original
29 -- so this is -- this was done behind my back, and I
30 didn't learn about it till after the fact, that the
31 amount of money that I paid him monthly to Frank
32 Kruppenbacher was supposed to be split behind the
33 scene 50/50 with Richard Anderson.
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37 JG: Just because I was known to give out contracts to
38 people and not follow up.
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40 LM: All right. Was there a contract with Kruppenbacher?
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15 From Rick Scott. Yeah. It's -- I don't -- I don't
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21 (unintelligible) he did not win anything, anybody.
22 So, yeah. That's -- but there -- there was -- Frank
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24 of overflow between UCF and GOAA board as far as
25 vendors and different people. I know Marchena was
26 involved as legal counsel, right? Yeah. Both. I
27 think. But I don't -- I don't -- this stuff was
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35 LM: Okay. All right. Oh. Um, have you had any
36 dealings with elected officials like outside the
37 county? Just throw out a name. Charles Culp.
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39 JG: Charles Culp?
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41 LM: Culp.
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6 Gainesville pertaining to and him wanting
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11 JG: There were different legislators that he would know
12 who would file bills on his behalf, pretty much.
13 One of them was out of Gainesville. I don't know
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18 JG: Yeah.
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20 LM: Anything particular about --
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22 SS: Dennis Baxter?
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24 JG: Yeah.
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28 JG: There you go, yeah.
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34 SS: I don't want to testify, either. But if that's your
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38 remember coming up as far as people he knew.
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40 SS: And there was legislation, just to flesh out the
41 topic, a few years ago -- within the last two to
42 four years -- as you said, that would have limited
43 the creation of either a preserve or some type of
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12 because the land that ad hoped to develop
13 that was that Seminole County area east of Oviedo
14 moving towards Orange County, was so close to UCF --
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16 JG: Correct.
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18 SS: -- that had the legislation passed, it would have
19 been a benefit to and his development
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22 JG: Correct. And I remember him talking to about
23 that one, yeah. Yeah.
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27 JG: Just something like, "Nice try," or, "That was
28 slick," or something or -- he'd just -- he -- he
29 couldn't catch a break with that development. You
30 know, what he did, it just --
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33 want --
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14 litigation from Seminole County. Seminole County
15 has since won, um, and he's vowed -- has
16 vowed an appeal. Tedrow was his attorney on some of
17 it.
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21 SS: Trying to claim that it was a violation of, um --
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32 JG: They're racist.
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38 SS: -- his development would have -- would have included
39 a certain element of low-income housing. And so the
40 fact that he wasn't permitted to develop -- hearing
41 I'm on record, this is just my understanding. But
42 that -- but there's been protracted litigation.
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14 JG: He's got a lot of --
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16 FS: That was Judge --
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18 JG: -- he got a lot --
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20 FS: -- it was Judge Conway's.
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24 JG: -- he does, yeah. A lot invested in it.
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26 FS: Those -- yeah, she's a great judge. Judge Conway.
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29 Tara -- Tedrow, right?
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36 JG: No. I saw her at a couple of fundraisers but not --
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12 SS: So how does that tie into the issues of Pirozzolo
13 who also is on the short list, right, for having
14 been medical director as it relates to some of
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17 JG: Yeah. He would form the companies and --
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19 SS: Correct. So what about all that? Do you know
20 anything about all that?
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24 SS: Tara Tedrow, Pirozzolo, with the cannabis.
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26 JG: Yeah. It's all intertwined.
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28 SS: Of course it is.
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32 SS: But what can you tell us about it?
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34 JG: From memory? I mean, what do you -- what do you
35 want to know? I mean, specifically. I don't -- a
36 lot of the stuff was done -- it was discussed some
37 of it in front of me. I -- I didn't really
38 understand a whole lot of it. It was a lot of
39 legalese. But they -- they'd game the system. I
40 mean, you know that. They -- they -- with the way
41 the current process works with marijuana,
42 essentially. The involvement was, um, from A to Z.
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6 JG: No. But I mean, she was involved -- and they had
7 conversations, I mean, that's Sunshine Law violation
8 but back when they tried to have her law firm
9 appointed as the legal counsel for GOAA.
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11 SS: I was the prosecutor assigned to that investigation
12 that was conducted by the Florida Department of Law
13 Enforcement. So I'm aware of --
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15 JG: So you know what I'm talking about.
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17 SS: -- those allegations.
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19 JG: So there's stuff -- I'm sure there's a lot of stuff
20 in there you can't prove but you know it was there.
21 You know?
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23 LM: Anything pertaining to Mr. Bergmann as a --
24 Bergmann? Nikki Fried's --
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26 JG: Oh, no. I've met him a couple of times. I know
27 he's thrown a lot of money to and the -- been
28 involved in some stuff that I just wasn't privy to.
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30 LM: All right. Um, just out of -- you were going to
31 say?
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33 TC: If you just got a basic one --
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35 LM: Yes, I did.
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37 TC: -- I -- there was something I realized I wanted to
38 cover.
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40 LM: Yeah, go ahead.
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42 TC: Regarding the Tax Collector's Office. The
43 curiosity, um -- 'cause we look into a lot of
44 government officials and things like that and a lot
45 of times it's -- it's difficult because when
46 somebody gets a count -- a budget as an elected
47 official, a constitutional officer, they kind of get
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3 from? What bucket is it comes out of where you can
4 get this money to your friends to help out?
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8 TC: Is that coming out of the department of Revenue or,
9 like, you know, for the -- the --
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15 JG: No. Not coming -- not from that.
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17 TC: -- the (unintelligible).
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21 TC: Okay. So how -- can you kind of explain to us --
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23 JG: Yeah. So a lot of the stuff I learned from -- from
24 -- from how Ray would operate.
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26 TC: Right.
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28 JG: And -- and -- and you guys really want to get some
29 stuff, you need to look at Ray Valdes. Um, anyway,
30 I'm just going to say this most frustrating part is
31 not getting anybody to look at stuff that he did and
32 stuff that I had evidence of, international money
33 laundering.
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35 FS: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Just --
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37 JG: I just -- I just wanted to say that.
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39 FS: -- just go on to the --
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41 JG: Okay? I'm talking like with the world's largest
42 money launderer had correspondence --
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44 FS: Okay. Joel. Joel.
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46 JG: -- with (unintelligible) talking about how they're
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3 FS: All right. Just stick to the question.
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5 JG: Been sitting on that for a while. Um, so the Tax
6 Collector's Office, I mean, a lot of the money that
7 comes in to it from fees associated with the DMV,
8 that's all money that it is generated not really
9 from the County, per se. So that money -- and
10 there's, I don't know, 10 to 20 Tax Collector's
11 Offices that are, like, fee-based, meaning they
12 don't get their budget approved in the county. It's
13 approved from the Department of Revenue. So they're
14 self-sufficient to an extent.
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16 I mean, on the operational side you would have
17 certain buckets that are just filled up too much
18 with, you know, your vendors, your -- your other --
19 other items. Or you can move money around anywhere
20 you want without having to have DOR approval, as
21 long as you don't mess with the personnel side.
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23 TC: Okay.
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25 JG: And then some of the FRS comes into play and all
26 that. Um, in addition to that, if we budgeted to
27 purchase a $1.5 million, $2 million property and we
28 don't spend that money, the money goes back to the
29 County and it's not earmarked for anything. Um, and
30 they can spend it however they want.
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32 But more importantly, the next year, the tax
33 collector can put that same $1.5 million in there,
34 and it shows a zero percent increase to the budget.
35 So if you do decide to spend that, you just move the
36 money over from buying land to doing whatever you
37 want with it. You can, I mean, buy a Ferrari if you
38 want. And it's just not -- and that's the
39 (unintelligible) office do whatever you want.
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41 TC: Now, and certain departments have auditors and stuff
42 come through and then you gotta set budgets and
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45 JG: The auditing's a joke there.
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47 TC: Okay.
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49 JG: And especially the firm they use. God.
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4 JG: No. I didn't. I mean, I -- no, I didn't pay them
5 off. They're already paid off. They already, you
6 know -- they get these lucrative contracts. I think
7 for the first time reasonably they maybe bid for
8 them. But, you know, and then Dan O'Keefe and all
9 these guys, they make political donations to all the
10 people on the board. And I could have used a
11 different firm if I wanted to, but, you know,
12 they -- they -- they bring in people straight out
13 of, you know, college.
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15 TC: Uh-huh.
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17 JG: And they'd sample some things but, no. I mean,
18 there's a million ways to hide stuff. But they --
19 they just didn't -- they didn't -- they weren't paid
20 to catch stuff.
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22 SS: So it's not that they were paid off to do an
23 incomplete or bad job. It's just that they did a
24 bad job?
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26 JG: Why mess up something that's good? They're making
27 so much money. Why rock the boat? They don't want
28 to catch anything. They didn't care. Yeah.
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30 SS: But you didn't take proactive measures to pay them
31 off?
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33 JG: No.
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35 SS: To ensure that.
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37 JG: No. No, I didn't have to.
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39 TC: So the -- so the basic accounting function, you
40 didn't have to do anything to hide what was going
41 on?
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43 JG: No.
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45 TC: Okay.
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47 JG: No. I -- I was -- I would overload -- I mean, yeah,
48 you said it. Especially as a -- as a constitutional
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8 JG: But as long as the office was operating efficiently,
9 which it -- it was -- I mean, Ray was so cheap with
10 certain things that I could -- I increased the
11 amount that we spent the first couple of years on
12 legitimate things, and there was still money left
13 over that I could play with.
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15 TC: Okay.
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17 JG: And then nobody would ever notice. I mean, at the
18 end of the day you're the constitutional officer. I
19 mean, if you say it's for something, unless it's
20 just grossly negligent and -- and felonious, then
21 that's what it's for.
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23 TC: Understood.
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2 higher-ups of the higher-ups. But again, specifics.
3 And it all boils down to the money. I mean, people
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8 TC: -- about ghost candidates and schemes.
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18 JG: The only -- the only other individual that I would
19 say that -- that would -- was involved at
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21 would use for a lot of -- there was some
22 schemes he told me that was the St. John Water
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27 JG: Yes.
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31 JG: Yes. Yes. That's another person that
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36 JG: kind of would tell me some of the schemes that
37 they had where they would go in and have -- again,
38 I'm not an expert at what -- like what he did, but
39 let's say building is not approved to be built
40 because there are environmental issues. Miklos
41 would get greased off or something, and then they
42 would all magically be approved. And this was rinse
43 and repeat, what they would do. And Miklos would
44 write checks a lot to be where would ask him
45 to write checks to.
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3 JG: Not stuff I can remember. I mean, did tell me
4 about some stuff, but I just don't -- some of the
5 stuff that he would tell me I -- I was unfamiliar
6 with a lot of it. It was Latin to me.
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8 LM: Did he actually ever do any lobbying work for you,
9 for the -- or was it just like a -- I'm giving you
10 money contract?
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12 JG: I didn't know him really well at the time to --
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14 LM: Do that?
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16 JG: -- do that. So he said he was going to do this and
17 that. A lot of the problems I think he created
18 himself to be able to justify having a contract.
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23 LM: Um, I mean, other than general, what other type
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26 FS: We'll be here -- we'll be -- you have the rest of
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29 LM: It's -- hey, man, I'm here. I'm here --
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31 FS: -- you've got the rest of the month?
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37 LM: No, specifically about campaigns and --
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39 FS: I'm teasing you. I'm sorry.
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41 LM: -- um, campaign donations, straw donations, acts.
42 You've mentioned that, you know, a lot of things
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44 Anything else that -- that you guys discussed that
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8 JG: There's nothing that pops up.
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14 JG: It was helpful with the questions that were asked,
15 I've been able to confirm. But sitting in here for
16 so long it's kind of --
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18 FS: I don't know about -- since I've gotten carte
19 blanche approval from the government yesterday, I'm
20 just going to send you all the e-mails I've sent
21 over. Everything.
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23 LM: Okay.
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25 FS: You know? And I'll -- and I'll -- to avoid -- and I
26 -- I'll avoid, like -- I'll clarify if there's
27 anything that came from my dependent --
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29 TC: Sure. Okay.
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31 FS: -- you know, work as opposed, you know, to --
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37 TC: I -- no, that makes sense. I think there was just a
38 lost communication in that one. Just, you know --
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40 FS: Yeah.
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42 TC: I see the names. I'm familiar with it so --
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44 FS: Yeah. And I'm --
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7 TC: So -- okay. So there is -- the other communications
8 with Mr. Paris -- and again, this was after you were
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11 JG: Uh-huh.
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13 TC: And I think you were out at this point. Um, it was
14 August 18th of 2020.
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16 JG: Yeah. That would have been the primary date and
17 that would have just been probably like, Good luck.
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19 TC: Gotcha.
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21 JG: Yeah.
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23 TC: Okay. Thank you.
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37 JG: I -- I mean, sometimes I've been --
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39 FS: Okay. Okay. (Unintelligible).
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41 JG: -- to so many meetings, I just don't know --
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43 FS: Joel. Joel. They're still on the recording. Let's
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46 TC: We -- yeah. We -- we'll go on the --
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48 FS: -- we're done. We're done.
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