Talk:Q204181
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Year of inception
[edit]from my personal talk page BergwachtBern (talk) 13:12, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi. I see you changed the preferred inception year from 1632 to 1918 for University of Tartu (Q204181) and made other related changes. Please note that 1918 is the year when only the official name of the university changed, no new university was created. Nowadays 1632 is widely accepted as as the inception year of the current university, see [1], hence there's also "1632" on university logo. As such, Academia Gustaviana (Q56471819) is the first iteration of the University of Tartu etc. The university is also planning its 400th anniversary to be held in 2032[2]. Historically, during the Soviet occuption, also 1802 has been regarded as the inception year. 2001:7D0:88F6:6780:33:B081:FDF9:A66E 13:07, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- Please use article discussion. BergwachtBern (talk) 13:10, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
Wikidata is not a project to present one view but to present facts. The Swedish, the Russian imperial and the 1918 German occupation universities have their own items. The Russian imperial and the German occupation item have no claim, that they were founded in 1632. The relation between the four items currently is expressed by "followed by" and "follows".
Also before I adjusted some of the claims, the item had e.g. in section rector [3] only values for those after 1918. Several other claims only fit to the Estonian university. Duplicating data of a predecessor in each successor would be a possibility. But is this wanted? BergwachtBern (talk) 13:26, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
- As said, the problem is that you added 1918 as (the preferred) inception year. I don't have a problem with adding multiple inception years in this item. However, to my knowledge there isn't a source that regards 1918 as the inception year. 1918 is sometimes regarded as the year when the University of Tartu became a national university (rahvusĂźlikool) but acquiring this status is different from inception of the university as such.
- It is fine have to have separate items for previous work periods or iterations, and obviously the start time or inception year for all of these wouldn't be the same.
- I don't see a reason to think (nor a backing source) that this item here is for university starting 1918. It isn't a successor to university during German occupation. It is more straightforward to say that the latter is a facet of the history of present-day university. Name changes nor hiatuses necessarily don't constitute a new university. If rectors starting 1918 were present then this only means that the data in Wikidata was incomplete. Which "several other claims only fit to the Estonian university"? Sure, not all claims about the present-day university are applicable for all work periods, also not for the entire period since 1918 but this is normal, start/end time qualifiers can be added to clarify this, the same way it can be for claims about all universities.
- It should be fine to duplicate some data. On the other hand cutting the history of present-day university at year 1918 is just wrong based on existing sources. 2001:7D0:88F6:6780:ACC3:3251:942A:3F7D 07:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)