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Hello Pasleim! I am writing about the Hungarian elements of this list. Most of the elements marked "Implausible" are very old constituencies from the 19th century, the boundaries of which are difficult to reconstruct today. these constituencies did not have a seat at the time, they were named after the largest settlements, so it also happened that the names of several premises were given, and also that the seat changed. What is listed as a seat in these elements is often just the name of the most frequently mentioned settlement, which was not an official seat. Because of the above, in many cases I have given a geographical coordinate that deliberately does not point to a settlement, but to a "neutral" area between the several settlements in question. (Eg: felső választókerület (Udvarhelyszék I.) (Q120174613), nagysomkúti választókerület (Q121071523) etc.) What are your suggestions for removing these items from the list?

First question would be if Q28 is the correct value for P:P17 in those listed items. It does not really seem to describe just the state Hungary of today, but rather the nation of Hungary over several centuries—a time period where the actual state has existed in very different versions.

Yes, this is a pretty old misunderstanding on this question, I hope I can describe it well enough.

Q28 is the element of the country that i. u. It was created in 1000 and still exists today. Within this, of course, many forms of government were in force, and it can be divided into several historical eras, and its territory was also variable, but this does not change the fact that the element Q28 fully and perfectly describes the country that we are talking about today and before. Similar, for example, to element Q142, which refers to France created in 843 and still exists today.

The electoral district whose seat was, for example, the city of Szolnok, is located in the same country as it is today (by definition, the electoral district itself has undergone several changes due to electoral laws, so it cannot be marked with the same element in 1848 and 2023)

I hope this short answer helped.

Sure, I understand the situation here.

If you want to stick with Q28 values, we have several options:

• Accept the false-positive results on the report page as is. It might bug you and some other users, but it does not harm anyone.
• Define the farthest north, west, south, east coordinates for the entire history of Hungary as boundaries. This could produce way more false-negative results, i.e. cases that the bot neither sees and reports. In some sense this could be considered harmful compared to the status quo.
• Remove Hungary altogether from this report.

What is your preference?

Maybe I just now understood why these items were included in this list (there is no description of the list, so you can only infer). My thought was that the elements were included in this list because in some cases the coordinates do not point to a specific settlement or an inhabited part of it, but to a point that is difficult to identify. Now, however, I take it from your words that the elements were included in the list because the geographical coordinate is outside the territory of today's Hungary. Do I see it well?

Kinda correct, but it is not that precise in fact.

There is basically a box around (modern) Hungary with coordinate boundaries 44° … 49° North and 15° … 23° East (as defined in this file). Every item that says Hungary (Q28) in country (P17) that has coordinates outside of that box is being reported.

Solutions are as outlined above. We can change the box limits, remove Hungary from the report, or leave it as is.

I understand and thank you. I'll think about it.