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Category:Tony Blinken

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Request moving to "Antony Blinken" as the DOS website, his social media account and many news articles are using Antony rather than Tony A1Cafel (talk) 10:28, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose, according to the CommonName policy. Compare the Category:Bill Clinton tree, which is not the William Clinton category, as well as his (Clinton's) article in Wikipedia – and countless other examples.

Blinken unsurprisingly uses his formal name at the Department of State website but Clinton, too, sometimes uses his formal name such as in the William J. Clinton Presidential Library & Museum, but that is not his commonly used name.

Blinken is commonly known in Washington DC as Tony, and appears in a variety of major American media as such. Examples: Washington Post, New York Times, CNN, ABC, CBS, and NBC – as well as commonly in broadcasts.

The standard procedure of providing a redirect from Category:Antony Blinken has already cleared up this issue. O'Dea (talk) 15:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Oppose Agree with O'Dea for reasons given above. Earlier in his career, he was referred to as "Tony" as well as at school. --Ooligan (talk) 08:07, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Kommentar Unlike Bill Clinton, Joe Biden and other US politicians. "Antony" is more commonly referred to Mr. Blinken rather than "Tony", with google trend (globally) as reference. Even for the United States, google trend still indicated that Antony is more common than Tony. --A1Cafel (talk) 03:33, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Info User:SecretName101 moved the category to "Anthony Blinken" on 6 December 2022. I have told him that this category is under Cfd and should not be moved until the discussion finished. --A1Cafel (talk) 10:34, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You may move back. Apologies. Error in the spelling of name (careless) and unaware of a CFD. SecretName101 (talk) 04:49, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I support moving the article for the record. It is both his formal and common name. Both are well-used, but he has come to use Antony since becoming SOS. SecretName101 (talk) 04:50, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Support Reliable sources overwhelmingly refer to him as "Antony Blinken." [1], [2], [3], [4]. A Google News search for "Antony Blinken" in English yields "about 1,690,000 results" while one for "Tony Blinken" yields "about 15,000 results". --R'n'B (talk) 21:53, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I see. But regardless, the page should be Antony Blinken. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:50, 25 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the misspelling. The page can always be moved back to Category:Tony Blinken if it's the outcome of the CfD. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 23:50, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Support If we look at file descriptions, "Antony Blinken" is overwhelmingly used over "Tony Blinken". Searching for "Antony Blinken" returns 10k+ results when searching for "Tony Blinken" only returns 224 results. Note that the searches ignore category names. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 03:08, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

discussion mentioned at https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons_talk:Categories_for_discussion&oldid=829772980#Is_there_a_standard_way_to_ask_for_the_closing_of_a_discussion,_or_to_publicize_a_discussion? (permalink) by Cryptic-waveform. - Jmabel ! talk 06:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My own experience is that "Antony" is more used than "Tony", and Cryptic-waveform's Google results tend to fit that. His official page goes for the over-formal "Antony J. Blinken", which I've never heard any news source use. Googling "blinken site:npr.org" (no quotes) shows they are consistent with "Antony" when they use his first name. New York Times apparently credits him as "Antony J. Blinken" when he writes for them and variously as "Blinken", "Tony Blinken", "Antony Blinken" and "Antony J. Blinken" in other contexts. The BBC's topic page on him is "Antony Blinken"; Googling on "blinken site:bbc.co.uk" (no quotes) shows mainly "Antony Blinken", occasionally just "Blinken". ""tony blinken" site:bbc.co.uk" shows 50 results, so they do occasionally use that, but it's 50 vs. 3600 for ""antony blinken" site:bbc.co.uk". So, while he may in the past have been better known as "Tony", I think at this point I'd lean toward "Antony". - Jmabel ! talk 06:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Spideog and Ooligan: your opinions to the contrary are from quite a while back (indeed, long enough that Spideog is a new account name since then). Do you still stand by those as being appropriate, given what seems to me to be a trend? - Jmabel ! talk 06:07, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Summary of the opinions so far:

I've added the CfD banner to around ~200 more categories with "Tony Blinken" in the title. I suggest waiting another week for new opinions and request closure of the discussion on December 19. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the wider CfD notice @Cryptic-waveform.
Google "Ngram" shows "Tony" as far more common usage. "Antony" and "Anthony" spellings are far lower in usage versus "Tony."
Here: [5] --Ooligan (talk) 15:21, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ooligan: but that appears to be through 2019. What I said above is that it appears that there was a strong shift around the time he became Secretary of State (2021). - Jmabel ! talk 19:58, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jmabel, I  Support the consensus. His high profile status on the world stage has popularized his formal name. Thank you for reviving this discussion and the helping facilitate the resolution. -- Ooligan (talk) 03:40, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cryptic-waveform just moved the category out of process to Category:Antony Blinken. While I agree that is where it should end up, I absolutely do not endorse an out-of-process move like this during a CfD, especially one that has had quite a bit of activity in recent days. This is how edit wars start. - Jmabel ! talk 06:09, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I just fixed the misspelling Anthony to Antony. Please see my comment above where I announce the change and specifically say that the category can still be moved to Tony Blinken. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 11:18, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Conclusion: Consensus to use "Antony Blinken" and keep current categoryy names using "Tony Blinken" as redirects. Cryptic-waveform (talk) 15:15, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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