Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/05/Category:Nations
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After going through the Wikipedia articles related to nations, it becomes clear that the term "nation" is ambiguous and somewhat complicated. A nation could mean the people of a country or an ethnic group. Since specific categories exist for countries and ethnic groups, I don't think this category is necessary. It can be converted into a disambiguation page linking to Category:Countries, Category:Ethnic groups and Category:Nationalism. The category Category:National institutions is mainly concerned with countries and territories only, so it can be categorized under Category:Countries and territories. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 13:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Some "nations" categories, like Category:Celtic nations and Category:Germanic nations, can be easily recategorized under Category:Cultural regions. Although I had created the Category:Chinese nation category, I have now found that the category is not feasible, as we can put the categories under Category:Han Chinese people, which is overcrowded with the categories of individuals. Those categories on individuals should be moved to Category:Han Chinese people by name. --Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 13:56, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- The more I think about nations and ethnic groups, the more I confuse the two terms. However, when I research the Wikipedia articles on Nationalism and Types of nationalism, I realize that nations may or may not be ethnic groups. Still, all ethnic groups can be considered as nations in some way. We can create Category:Stateless nations for nations/ethnic groups without their own countries. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 09:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
Support @Sbb1413: I couldn't agree more. "Nations" is such a broad term and used for many disparate things, that so long as those things have more specific terms to refer to them (country, ethnic group, etc) your idea for a dab is spot on. Pretty much any large group of people which share a common and identifying element across them can be considered a 'nation'. It is right not to confuse this with countries, which are specific legal entities, though they can be formed around a specific nation. It doesn't help that in English, "national" serves essentially as the adjective form for both nation and country. Josh (talk) 20:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)- Support I pointed out on the related discussion the issues arising with the gargantuan concept of sovereign state, which happened to engulf all the terms "nation", "country" and "sovereign state" itself. As I see it, stateless nations may bridge national realities between ethnic groups, categories such as Khoisan, and sovereign states. They are often cross-border national, historic communities. Iñaki LL (talk) 21:04, 19 May 2024 (UTC)