Commons:Deletion requests/Files in Category:Marina Kalezić

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Files in Category:Marina Kalezić

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This is a follow up to Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Famous_personalities_1999_Yugoslavia_stamp.jpg which resulted in delete. Rosenzweig gave a better argument there for why Serbian stamps don't qualify for PD-SerbiaGov then I can, but summarize Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Serbia says nothing about stamps and the Intellectual Property Office of the Republic of Serbia said in email that only "“official acts, drawings and blueprints of building and cadaster agencies, diplomas, certificates, official reports of government agencies, statistical reports, drafts of Laws and other documents" are covered. Stamps are none of those. So there's zero evidence that the Serbian government considers them to be official materials or in the public domain. Given that, these images should be deleted as COPYVIO per the normal term of 70+ years after the artist died. While I wasn't able to find information on if Marina Kalezić is dead or not, it clearly hasn't been 70+ since their death due to these stamps being published in the 2000s.

Adamant1 (talk) 05:14, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It seems weird to me that there would be a multiple point clause in the law laying out specific things that are in the public domain like law acts and judgments if at the end of the day everything created persons or institutions which do public functions are PD regardless. It's not like laws or judgments aren't created by institutions that do public functions. So at least IMO the fact that it specifically lays out specific types of works that are free of copyright kind of insinuates that there are other things that aren't. Otherwise there'd be zero reason for them to cite specific examples. There's also the clarifying email. Plus Like you said yourself, there's ticket:2012042310010184 for other Serbian stamps, which I had nothing to do with BTW. I don't know why we need special permission in one instance to host the images, but not in the other. Either Serbian stamps are copyrighted and we need VRT permission to host them, or they aren't and we don't.
As a side to that it's also unclear if Post of Serbia is even considered a government agency to begin with since they are owned by a holding company. Although that's less important IMO to the other points I've brought up, mainly that there would be zero reason that the law would name specific types of works that are PD if everything created by the government is de-facto in the public domain. And the clarifying email is particularly strong evidence against stamps being PD in that regard. Although us needing VRT permission to host other Serbian stamps also points to them being copyrighted. Otherwise there's no reason Marina Kalezić would have given us permission to host the images to begin with. If they want to file VRT permission for these stamps to though, cool. But there's no justification to keep the images baring that happening. --Adamant1 (talk) 06:14, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per Materialscientist, these are public domain. --Abzeronow (talk) 19:11, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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