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== IP making veiled threats ==
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/73.28.205.23 73.28.205.23], which I'm assuming to be Ryan Kavanaugh, [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ryan_Kavanaugh&type=revision&diff=1081599244&oldid=1081240179&diffmode=source is making veiled threats] at [[Talk:Ryan Kavanaugh]] and accusing me and another user of conspiring against him. Wearisome indeed! With all the abuse that's been going on, a range block seems overdue imo. [[User:Throast|Throast]] ([[User talk:Throast|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Throast|contribs]]) 13:25, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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*Non-admin response: this is a content dispute, of which you are both involved, and neither of you have used the article talk page to discuss the issue. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 22:39, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
**Not quite. This is a tit-for-tat noticeboard posting, and the ''actual'' edit war participants are {{user|Silverije}}, {{user|Jackfork}} ([[Special:Diff/1081139896|1]] [[Special:Diff/1081137040|2]]), {{user|Jingiby}} ([[Special:Diff/1081307760|1]] [[Special:Diff/1080237781|2]] [[Special:Diff/1078160044|3]]), and {{user|200.137.75.2}} (edit history speaks for itself), with a whole chorus of background actors chiming in sometimes with deceptive edit summaries (e.g. [[Special:Diff/1077727061|1]] [[Special:Diff/1077906962|2]] [[Special:Diff/1078139403|3]] [[Special:Diff/1078129893|4]]). And as [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] noted on the Edit Warring noticeboard, this is a long-standing dispute with talk page discussion in 2006, but not much since. It's also about ethnicity and [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe|Eastern Europe]], so covered by discretionary sanctions, which Silverije [[Special:Permalink/331277172#ANI_notice|has known about since 2009]]. The first request to [[User:Silverije|Silverije]] to apply [[Project:Bold, revert, discuss|Bold, Revert, Discuss]] and take it to the talk page seems to be [[Special:Diff/1080237781]] at the end of March. I think that protecting [[meta:The Wrong Version|The Wrong Version]] is the right course of action here, and if we don't see some talk page discussion from Silverije and those others, the sanctions should actually be given some teeth. Enough is surely enough, ne? [[User:Uncle G|Uncle G]] ([[User talk:Uncle G|talk]]) 23:33, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
****The point here is a removal of all sources from an article without explanation, rather than edit warring. As for “tit for tat”, I warned Slatersteven at the same time [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matija_Zmajevi%C4%87&diff=1081310180&oldid=1081310126] as he did, although I sent a report to Administrators' noticeboard later. And if anybody mentions something from a long time ago (2009), it would be good to explain what exactly happened then and why it happened, not just to say ”covered by discretionary sanctions, which Silverije has known about since 2009”. It was something (what?!) “regarding an issue with which I MAY have been involved”. But I have never done something like Slatersteven (his erasing all sources) to provoke a situation in which “the sanctions should actually be given some teeth”. It doesn’t matter whether it’s about ethnicity, Eastern Europe or whatever, it’s the matter of Wikipedia principles. If citing sources ([[WP:CS]]) and writing sourced contents, as one of the principles of Wikipedia key policies and guidelines, causes discretionary monitoring, I agree to be monitored. But when someone erases sources without any explanation and then acts recklessly, I strongly disagree. Because, in this specific case, when I put several references to the article, I was warned by admin [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Matija_Zmajevi%C4%87&diff=1081276617&oldid=1002575671] that one of the sources ('Adriatic News' journal) wasn’t a reliable one, and I agreed with that warning and later restored a revision of the article without that source [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matija_Zmajevi%C4%87&diff=next&oldid=1081287323]. There were no objections to other references. So, instead of the matter being settled, soon after that, suddenly appeared Slatersteven who jumped in, removed all the references and triggered an edit war, a behaviour I couldn’t accept. That’ the point! --[[User:Silverije|<b style="color:#705">Silve</b>]][[User talk:Silverije|<b style="color:ForestGreen;">rije</b>]] 21:54, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
*** Fortunately, the version protected wasn't any of the wrong ones, but one where I made some badly needed cleanups (which the happy edit warriors also trampled over and I had to manually reinstate it the other day). The article is woefully under-referenced, and needs work, but none of these participants have approached this entirely properly. Silverije has added some references, but they've not all been good, or interpreted correctly, and they didn't explain further on talk either. There's been some response to my appeals to use talk, but nothing of real substance. I would suggest we enforce 1RR after the protection expires. --[[User:Joy|Joy [shallot]]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 05:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
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