BrazilianDude70

July 2024

Hello, refrain from formulating absurd comments about the Catalan origin of the athletes. It is completely correct to say: X is a Spanish footballer from Catalonia. It is a correct statement and has generated consensus for a long time on pages such as Aitana Bonmatí, Alexia Putellas or Pep Guardiola. Stop reverting and establish a new consensus if you disagree. I simply followed the pattern on these pages. Panenkazo (talk) 00:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi BrazilianDude70. Could you please explain why you restored ten disruptive edits by an IP who has received multiple warnings? I am open to the possibility that I may have missed something here but I do think an explanation is called for. I note that you are an experienced editor, so I found it peculiar that you would revert my edits with an edit summary suggesting they were vandalism. As an experienced editor in my own right (and an admin for 8 years) it's been a long time since anyone has accused me of vandalism. Please ping me with your reply. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I have reverted multiple article related to Catalan players because there's no valid explanation on @Panenkazo's edits, as simple as that. The RfC the user is basing his/her edits on clearly states that the region must be added when the subject clearly defines himself/herself as Catalan. That's not the case of 99% of articles Panenkazo edited. Adding the region of birth without any reference backing up the subject defines himself/herself as Catalan is going against the RfC and the consensus, and is basically an incorrect edit. Plus, the RfC itself which serves as basis for these kinds of edits is just purely ridiculous (as I've pointed out on Talk:Pep Guardiola), and from what I could gather, is not a clear consensus at all. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 04:34, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Ok. Clearly, we have a content dispute here. I suggest that either you or Panenkazo, or both of you, open a discussion on an appropriate talk page to resolve this. You can also notify relevant wiki-projects to garner wider participation in the discussion. What we don't need, is a bunch of de facto edit warring. I have no dog in this fight so I won't be participating, but please ping me to the discussion so I can keep abreast of whatever the community settles on for practice going forward. For now. I suggest a moratorium on any changes to articles pending some resolution to this matter. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ad Orientem: I don't have any intention on edit warring. I just want that an user with a clear agenda to follow the proper consensus on what the RfC and WP:NATIONALITY says, and so far, he/she's not doing so. Unless there's a clear WP:RS proving that the subject considers himself/herself Catalan, there's no point on doing what @Panenkazo's doing. There's no discussion over that, end of story. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 04:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I would encourage you to remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors. Accusing other editors of having an "agenda" (or in my case, of vandalism) is not generally conducive to a friendly and mutually respectful discussion.

@Panenkazo If you disagree with BRDude's interpretation of guidelines you basically have three choices. You can discuss it here, open a formal discussion and request clarification or propose that community consensus has changed, or you can drop the matter. However this is handled, there has been a lot of back and forth editing on this, and that needs to stop. It's getting late here. But I will check back to see where we are tomorrow (err later today). -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• I have restored the simple section noting the player's origin. There is no doubt they are from Catalonia. In some cases, they have even represented Catalonia. However, identification is a separate issue. If you wish to start an RfC on this issue, that may be the way to go. But it is clear there is consensus to include the fact of their origin, so please stop edit-warring over this issue. Black Kite (talk) 05:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

  Like it or not, there is no doubt that Guardiola and other Spanish sportsmen/women are also Catalan. The fact that Catalonia is a nation is a legally and officially established fact, not because I am a Catalan nationalist. On most occasions they have represented Catalonia with the respective national teams. I'm not making anything up or doing any kind of vandalism. It doesn't matter your opinion, they are Catalans. Panenkazo (talk) 07:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

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Help (charts again LOL!)

Lucas Pérez, podes adicionar a temporada 2023/24 por favor? Um cidadão não para de por tudo junto (na caixa e no gráfico em baixo), sem qualquer tipo de "PC update". O atleta só tem partidas de "playoff" com o Deportivo, ambas na Primera Federación, a saber: 2 e 1 gol na temporada passada, 2 e 3 gols nesta última.

Como visto em cima nesta (tua) página, já vi que discussão sobre a Catalunha veio pra ficar... Uma pena :(

Abraços, obrigado de antemão 193.137.135.5 (talk) 14:45, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Feito! Só corrigi porque tinha colocado os play-offs na coluna errada :)

Quanto à discussão, não sei não... Já descobriram que o cidadão que ficou levantando essa "particularidade" (para não falar outras coisas que depois podem me render um bloqueio) era um sock, então não sei se irão manter esse tipo de coisa na intro. Eu não concordava antes, e continuo não concordando; querem colocar que o cidadão é da Catalunha, escrevam na historinha, no "early life" ou na primeira linha da carreira, como fazemos. Muito mais organizado do que isso.

Pra mim, isso parece muito mais uma campanha pró-independência da Catalunha (o que não deveria existir, visto que aqui deveria ser um local neutro para se editar), do que outra coisa. Enfim... Caso concordem com algo do gênero, não temos muito o que fazer a não ser respeitar, infelizmente.

Abraços, boa semana! BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 15:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

MOS:CONTRAST

Hi. You have been adding (or changing) background colours to a lot of WP:SPAIN football teams article tables that fail WP:COLOR and the above link. These will all have to be removed, I'm afraid, per our accessibility criteria. This is mostly not your fault as many of them were not compliant before you changed them. I have done Atlético Madrid B to give an example. Thanks, Black Kite (talk) 16:01, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@Black Kite: I have gathered a discussion at WT:FOOTY/Spain since the beginning of the month, as @Snowflake91 was complaining about RC Celta Fortuna. I asked for help to actually improve the current pattern and to make use of accessible colors, but nobody replied. I guess it's simpler to leave a bunch of worse colors and nobody care about these pages than actually raise a discussion and create a color pattern which is accessible and can be used, right? I'm actually growing tired of this... BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:06, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Plus, leaving the table without colors is way more confusing than with it. Those colors actually help to identifying the divison more quickly than reading a bore blank table like this at Atleti B. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:07, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Well use colours that pass MOS:CONTRAST then! Otherwise they're forever going to be reverted when someone stumbles upon them. No-one is saying you can't use colours, just use accessible ones. Black Kite (talk) 16:09, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

In fact if you give me 10 minutes I'll use Atleti B as an example ... Black Kite (talk) 16:10, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@Black Kite: I'd rather see you actually improve those 11-color types at WP:FOOTY/Spain than use Atleti B (which had only 5 of them)... This way we can leave all pages with the correct color pattern. Could you do that for me? BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:12, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

I can do that, but it'll still need a discussion. Meanwhile, here's an example - User:Black_Kite/sandbox. Black Kite (talk) 16:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Actually, let me have a think about this. The biggest issue is that some of the text is links (thus blue) rather than black (which is usually OK). I've reverted Atleti B for the time being. we can sort this out no problem. 16:29, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Maybe something like this? They all pass contrast checker on either black or blue texts. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 16:33, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey, that looks good. A couple of them fail AAA with the blue text (which would be ideal), but as long as they all pass AA then we're all good. Black Kite (talk) 13:06, 26 July 2024 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Thank you very much for your help, glad we could sort this out :) BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 13:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)