Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turbojugend

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The result was speedy keep. nomination was withdrawn (non-admin closure) -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 08:25, 3 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Turbojugend

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Disputed prod but I don't see the evidence that this is a notable fan club. There's not much more that can be reliably sourced than is at Turbonegro#Turbojugend. Ricky81682 (talk) 03:51, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ricky81682: Oppose! I improved the references on this article and I added 2 book references, describing the nature of this fanclub. Furthermore, there exist Wikipedia articles on this topic in German, Swedish and Norwegian.

With my modifications, the article matches the definitions of WP:Club

1) The scope of their activities is national or international in scale.

With hundreds of chapters all around the world, this criterion is undoubtedly met.

2) The organization has received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the organization.

As there are 3 books about its nature and activities and a series of newspaper articles and interviews with the band Turbonegro regading Turbojugend, I think this criterion is met as well. Sebotic (talk) 06:11, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

As a member of turbojugend I can verify there are several sources of this fan club's existence. A simple search of Google responds with turbojugend.net which is a detailed history and archive of jugend from across the world. The fact this is an international organization makes it relevant. If one was to explore further on turbojugend.net one would discover the existence of a store front for purchases of denim jackets that are approved or denied by a moderator. This is an example of an organizational structure. The search of "turbojugend in media" provides several links to relevant organizations as well as videos of the jugend in action. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TJLandfill (talk • contribs) 06:38, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be reliable sources not mere blogs or other things like that and we need substantial coverage not mere mentions. Footnotes 2 and 3 are about the diploma and Footnote 2 goes to the main page and it's not clear whether the website qualifies. Footnote 3 is similar so it's not clear what the reference is saying. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:52, 15 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Ricky81682: I fail to understand your concern:

The updated article includes published books about the Turbojugend. What is more substantial than published books?
Why does the website Turbojugend.net not qualify? You can see the Turbojugend chapters allover the world here.
There is a public Facebook site about the annual meeting, https://www.facebook.com/weltturbojugendtage, the event is covered here http://www.mmenschenkind.com/weltturbobilderschau/ where you see that we made it into a gallery in Hamburg, Germany
Hamburg's newspaper, The Hamburger Abendblatt, reports here: http://st.pauli-news.de/schlaglicht/turbojugend-auf-st-pauli/, http://st.pauli-news.de/schlaglicht/turbojugend-laedt-zum-familientreffen/
There is a shop where you can buy the Turbojugend merchandise: http://www.shopturbojugend.com/category/denim
There is a podcast about the Turbojugend: http://turbojugendradio.podomatic.com
The Urban Dictionary as an article about the Turbojugend: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=turbojugend

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@Ricky81682: Could you please clarify why you argue for the deletion of the Turbojugend page? Sebotic has shown that the Turbojugend article matches the definitions of a notable WP:Club.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MarkusDiefenthaler (talk • contribs) 17:09, 17 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 16:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 03:51, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: It could still do with better sourcing, but with the sources now provided in the article - including books about them - they pass the notability threshold. Scholar suggests there is also some sort of sociological paper written about them ("Exzess, Provokation und Normalität-die Turbojugend: die Untersuchung eines Fanclubs"), but there doesn't seem to be a copy online. Kolbasz (talk) 07:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep like in WP:SNOW, subject is very easily referenced with independent, reliable sources way above the requirements of WP:GNG. I have added just 15-20 citations, several of which are {{Cite book}}s in several different languages e.g.

Eric Davidson (1 May 2010). We Never Learn: The Gunk Punk Undergut, 1988-2001. Backbeat Books. pp. 235–. ISBN 978-1-61713-389-3. ... singer with a murderous gaze and gut, they've since amassed a worldwide cult, the Turbojugend.
Thierry Aznar. CAMION BLANC: HARD ROCK & HEAVY METAL 40 années de purgatoire - Tome 2 (in French). CAMION BLANC. pp. 266–. ISBN 978-2-35779-541-9. A peine trois ans plus tard, Turbonegro est presque devenu un groupe culte ; ses fans extrêmement actifs se réunissent tous les ans sous la bannière Turbojugend. Un tel enthousiasme incite le groupe à remettre le couvert : il revient avec ...
Mark Verver (3 May 2012). Ik heb nergens spijt van: het leven van Dikke Dennis (in Dutch). Marmer. pp. 123–. ISBN 94-6068-956-6. De band, met een politie-escorte door het labyrint geloodst, is kort na ons binnengekomen, met in hun kielzog een bonte verzameling vrienden en kennissen, fans met connecties, een delegatie van de Turbojugend Assen, mensen van de ...
Janka Schröder (2013). Ratten Im Halbmondlicht (in German). BoD – Books on Demand. pp. 44–. ISBN 978-3-8448-9357-1. ... Oder die Turbojugend mit ihren Jeansjacken, die nie gewaschen werden. ...

and as a book search is mandatory due diligence it's hard to understand that we are here. Pinging @Ricky81682: for their reconsideration. -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 14:04, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll withdraw it. I looked over the book sources but I wasn't sure where the difference was between passing mentions and significant discussion there. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 19:14, 2 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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